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this is cnn breaking news. hello, everyone. i am michael holmes thog coming to you from ukraine, and right now we are waiting the start of a cease-fire proposed by russia that is supposed to take effect in five major ukrainian sea cities in about two hours from now. it is unclear, whether either side will honor that cease-fire. now, the cities involved include kyiv, kharkiv, mariupol', these are all places that have endured some of the fiercest fighting since the start of the russian invasion. the cease-fire meant to give civilians an opportunity to evacuate via humanitarian corridors. but under the kremlin's plan, most of those corridors would lead to russia and its ally belarus, where many refugees obviously do not want to go. the ukrainian president reportedly calling russia's proposal immoral and it was
i think that steve bannon and the president -- i think steve bannon, as integral to the president's plans going forward towards 2022 and 2024, setting up the possibility of a second coup -- i think he's as integral the those as he was in getting him elected in 2016. there is a logic to this. it doesn't make sense to normal people, sane people, people who care about the law or care about congress or care about the future of democracy but it makes sense to steve bannon and donald trump. >> let me push back respectively, if these your world view, why not seize the spotlight. donald trump watches thog but cable tv. why not demand to testify in a public hearing? >> well, i think, nicole you are suggesting there is a false binary there. steve bannon could go charged, could go to jail, then agree to testify. he could get the best of both worlds. steve bannon, jalds for the cause, willing to put his body
what's your reaction or response to that? >> the choice facing donald trump is to sue or not to sue. that certainly seems to indicate pretty strongly that he will sue. if he does thog, the returns are going to congress because of the new decision out of domg. if he does sue, as you said earlier, he has been given 72 hours. the parties have asked for another day here. but i think that statement sort of settles any mystery here. donald trump historically is he tijs. that shows us he intends to fight this in the courts. he's going to delay this. that seems to have been his strategy thus far. >> how much longer could he delay it? >> as long as it takes the court to rule. you'll have the district court and then a court of peels. we could talk about many months more if he sues. >> let's say the house ways and means committee gets their hands on the documents. what can they do with them?
everyone. >> authenticity. >> that's right. be who you are tonight. >> authenticity. also understanding to your point you don't have a lot of time. if you're one of these candidates, you have to go in there with a top like thne that make sure you deliver and execute so when someone leaves from the debate and talks with people after they're like oh, yes, i remember that person, this is the way they broke through to me. that's part of the challenge. >> one debate expert said you want one thing. you want people to walk away from that debate saying alessia, i could see you as president. you want them to see you in that tier as someone who could stand on that stage. >> absolutely. listen, this is a very crowded field, right? >> yeah. >> and so people have been very strategic about what they believe their path to victory is. you look at someone like julian castro. he's doubled down on nevada because he knows he has to have a strong thog there to be viable. they have a very big latino
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experience of being on the hill himself, and his ability to sort of take a strong firm position, which was saddam hussein had thog, but also wanted to go through the appropriate process and the institutions of government to be able to insure that it was ultimately successful. >> you honored their marriage of 73 years saying their partnership served an inspiration for you and your wife, jane. what did you learn from them about having a marriage when you -- when one of the partners is an elected official and living out your life in the public eye to a degree? >> we just loved both of them. >> vice versa.
i mean, let's face it here, these debates can get pretty heated and by the way, if you flew all the way to beijing for the meetings with the chinese then weren't allowed into the meetings, wouldn't you be upset? i would. you've got this situation where this guy, navarro, who's done thog but 20 years but write about the economic confrontation with china that we're no now and all steve mnuchin is is doing is trying to keep him out of the mite metings. you've got two wars going on. the economic war between the united states and the people who probably of china and the war inside the trump administration about how to fight the first war. >> yeah. >> the president is in the middle. >> when all these fights, we just keep hearing ab it. josh, you've been reporting today about the trade talks. that china's given the u.s. a list of demands for the talks and one of them pertains to the technology firm zte that marco rubio said is an espionage throw to the united states.
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own business interests and he thinks like any other business interests he needs to understand the new president so he hires a consultant like michael cohen? what theory is more likely? >> so just to be clear, i don't know. right? and as a political scientist we can theorize but i want to be clear we need to know a lot more information before we know. but let me speculate a little bit. first of all, he has been in the outs with putin. just a couple of months ago some of his people were arrested. there was a lot of rumors that after inauguration -- putin's new inauguration which just happened early whier this week there was thog going to be another redistribution of property rights. >> new oligarchs. >> yep, yep, new oligarchs. people closer to the kgb or the fsb. high on that list in the rumor mills was guy who is sitting in jail right now.