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Transcripts for CNN Early Start With Christine Romans and Laura Jarrett 20240604 09:56:00

season in left field. that is a career high for the 30-year-old. if you are keeping track at home, judge on pace to hit 64 homers this season. he is eight shy of roger maris's record. they have 28 games left to play. cardinals albert pujols is just a few away from joining them in the 700 home run. last at-bat for pujols and it turned out to be a difference maker in the game. pujols now one behind tieing alex rodriguez for the fourth most all time. daniil medvedev's dreams are over this morning. the world number one losing in four sets to the always entertaining nick kyrgios. look at this point. look at this ridiculous rally.

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Transcripts for MSNBC Deadline White House 20240604 21:22:00

it's like a venn diagram that we've put together. we showed today these encrypted communications that happened between those people and trump's orbit, like roger stone and these leaders of these domestic extremist groups, and we showed the people from these groups providing security to the people like roger stone and general flynn and you know, as the witness you just showed said, whether it was directly or indirectly or signaling, all of these pieces are coming together and mr. raskin, as he said, we just showed a small part of the evidence we gathered through our investigation, and so we'll continue to dig into that and make these connections, fill out that venn diagram of where this information was flowing, who was in the sphere of these people and it just, like i mentioned earlier, it's clear danger that still exists today. >> as you're speaking, i'm thinking of the three pardons that trump gives out and the prominent role that the pardoned people, mike flynn, steve bannon, and roger stone play in the coup.

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Transcripts for MSNBC Deadline White House 20240604 20:03:00

sympathize, empathize with them, needed to hear today from people who have been there and done that. they needed to hear somebody say i no longer buy into the big lie. i understand court after court after court rejected the big lie. the notion that there was fraud systemically that would change the election. and then mr. van toten hoef who said i fear for the next election cycle because if trump runs again, we have a president who can whip up a civil war. he talked about america being exceedingly lucky that there hasn't been more violence. he said i have kids. i have a grand kid. he gets it, he's been there. stewart rhodes, oath keeper leader asked him to create a duck of playing cards to feature targeted international terrorists, and he wanted to put hillary clinton on one of those playing cards. we needed to hear that today, and we also all needed to hear as we've heard about the dots being connected, we needed to see that those dotted lines

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Transcripts for MSNBC Deadline White House 20240604 20:18:00

this country in terms of respect and accountability under the rule of law, i just think it is a big risk to not do it. there may be jury nullification. there might be somebody on the jury that is a trump supporter and they refuse to convict, but i think that's a risk that we have to take under the laws of this country. >> well, and the public pressure for accountability now transcends a right, left paradigm. i mean, it really -- and the committee laid out more evidence of the coordination between trump and the extremists. i want to play it for you, katie. this is congresswoman murphy. this is number one on my list. this is her talking about the riot organizers saying the president was planning to have them march to the capitol but wanted it to look spontaneous. they were even in on how they sold that speech on the ellipse. >> the organizer says, you know, this stays between us. we're having a second stage at the supreme court again after the ellipse.

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Transcripts for MSNBC Deadline White House 20240604 20:28:00

going to be a witness or he was going to be a witness. whether or not that can hold up, there's probably parties to conversations including this witness's own lawyer who may have been able to tell trump, but that's going to play out. that could be a very easy criminal case if the evidence is the way congress woman cheney suggested it might be. >> a very easy criminal case for the justice department to bring against donald trump. i didn't know there was such a thing. >> yes, because witness tampering is pretty much -- it's a pretty simple test. it's not the kind of thing in which presidential prerogatives, this is trump acting now as a private citizen. he's not the president. there's no possible privilege claims or anything like that. it's just simply are you trying to prevent this person from coming forward to tell the truth, and do you have that mens rea, is that your intent. >> you blow my mind as usual, i know we lose you for a little bit. you'll be back in the next hour. joining our conversation, congresswoman stephanie murphy of florida, a member of the

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Transcripts for MSNBC Deadline White House 20240604 21:16:00

powers to the maximum extent, because he had been told by lawyers he essentially could declare martial law if there was ever an insurrection. so, it was very present in his mind that if such a scenario transpired, he might be able to exert additional presidential powers, and in this case, potentially delay handover of power to a new administration. >> joining our conversation is congresswoman elaine luria of virginia. congresswoman, thank you for being with us. nbc has just learned that the next hearing has been announced and scheduled for next thursday night in primetime. your fellow committee members gave a little bit of a preview, but it's clear that with the addition of pat cipollone's deposition, there is just a cascade or a crush of high-level white house officials testifying to what has been a theme through everything, that trump lost, trump was told he lost, his plot to overturn the election was illegal, trump knew it was illegal, and today, what was

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Transcripts for MSNBC Deadline White House 20240604 21:25:00

what other kind of pressuring, about witnesses who have spoken to us, what kind of pressure was applied, and have we gotten the full information from them? i'm speculating, but with pressure being applied from different places towards those who have spoken -- who have sought to come forward and give us the truth. >> if you look at the evidence that congresswoman stephanie murphy shared of an insurrectionist, a protester, a rally organizer knowing that not only that trump would call on them to go to the capitol, would say he would go, and then it wasn't supposed to be widely known. that's a security move called an otr. cassidy hutchinson explained it in her public testimony, and i remember from working in the white house that nobody in the white house really knows when they're happening, for operational security concerns. is the evidence building to put trump at least inside the seditious conspiracy in terms of the evidence that you've marshaled and the suggestion

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Transcripts for MSNBC Deadline White House 20240604 21:17:00

introduced was a real bulk of knowledge tying trump to the extremists and their conduct. tell us what we should expect to be built on or enhanced or what we should understand better next week. >> well, as you discussed today, we talked through the lead-up, the call to d.c., what brought people here. we had a witness who himself, you know, heard that call and answered it and came to d.c. and was remorseful after the fact. and all of the different pieces that came together to have this violent mob attacking the capitol and what we're going to go into during our hearing next week that i'm going to lead with my colleague, adam kinzinger, is the 187 minutes. what happened during that time frame from when the president walked off the stage at the ellipse and the inaction during that time frame that allowed this violence to go on for 187 minutes until he finally walked

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Transcripts for MSNBC Deadline White House 20240604 20:29:00

january 6th select committee, one of the lead questioners this afternoon. we have been playing some of the most shocking things that happened today, but make our job easy for us. what for you is the piece of information that you would love to be on the local news tonight and every market in the country and in the newspaper tomorrow? what for you is the most important thing that people should have taken from this hearing? >> i think the most important thing is that the president and his advisers all knew they didn't have the evidence that they had lost the election, and yet, they misled people. and as a result of the lies that they told and the encouragement they gave to average americans as well as violent extremists, those people took actions. people died, people were injured, and some of these people's lives will never be the same. i think you saw from mr. ayers, he was just a trump supporter and, you know, a family man who

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Transcripts for MSNBC Deadline White House 20240604 21:29:00

this remarkable meeting when he puts into action the call to arms of his supporters. was there agreement preceding that with any of the ragtag flynn pal folks there? they don't -- they haven't detailed it. but even -- but certainly, it's something that is there, that needs to be investigated now, and the other big ticket item that hutchinson's testimony puts into play for him, inciting the riot, which is another very serious charge carrying a long penalty, that, i think, has been very strongly documented, just with the testimony we've had to date. so prosecutors are hunched over to try to hear the agreement part, but otherwise, the relationship between trump and the violence took a huge turn as of hutchinson's testimony, and it continued today with different elements showing this is just what he wanted to happen, indeed, just what he was orchestrating. >> you know, jackie, something

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