kirschner msnbc legal analyst. hugo lowell, reporter for the guardian. david k. johnston reported for trump on decades and author of the big cheat how donald trump fleeced america and enriched himself and his family. i m going to go to you first, hugo, to tell me the latest of what you know about this reporting. yeah. look, we confirmed this shortly after the cnn report that in july 2021 trump sits down far meeting with ghost writers of mark meadow s memoir and margo martin, this press aide. trump has all of these conversations recorded because he doesn t trust the journalists or the other people on the other side of the table. okay. but this is what seems to have bitten him in this instance just to be clear, this is at bedminster, this is not at mar-a-lago. in the summer months, trump goes from mar-a-lago to bedminster. he spends the summer in bedminster. bedminster is interesting
been collecting evidence to counter act and this one, as you say, tom, is the president speaking in his own words. jamie, donald trump is known for attacking anybody when they say anything he doesn t like. he did it yesterday to kaley mceven any. there s a tape. he can t say he didn t say those words. i want to point out something else. all the other people in the room who didn t have security clearance. this speaks to it sounds like he was very cavalier. we don t know that he showed the document to them, but he s handling them with people who have no security clearances. one other thing. it wasn t just at mar-a-lago. he brought this document apparently up to new jersey to
there could be references to nuclear weapons. it s important the intelligence has a chance to look at it. and the doj has to find out have they been moved from one place to another, from mar-a-lago to bedminster, where the former president has another residence. when you read the opinions from the judge, the rulings from this judge, what you think she finds is the most compelling argument for ruling in the way she s ruling. agreeing there should be a special master. what is the key argument from the trump team you think she is working from? i don t see any argument from the trump team that is compelling enough for her to grant an order as sweeping and as aggressive as this order. you know, you re to get a preliminary injunction, you generally have to prove two things. one, you have a strong likelihood of winning this case.
dana: do you think biden would try to pardon his son? i think he would. only living son. i think that s the way they force him out really is he does that and i think by february or march i really do believe that biden is going to have to announce he is not going to seek reelection after the bill: we ll get back to you. you have two heavy weights leaning on each other waiting for the bell. can we hang on long enough? for people who watch boxing matches. 10, 11, 12 rounds both guys have punched themselves off and exhausted and in the ring and it feels like dana: you guys use that analogy of sports. i kept up. i m headed out to tee off with the liv tour to bedminster. i hope i will break 100. that s a tough golf course.