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Transcripts for MSNBC The Rachel Maddow Show 20240604 08:07:00

overall crime, and help put other criminals away, and of course, you re under no obligation to cooperate, you re under no obligation to agree to plead guilty and cooperate with prosecutors in their efforts, if you re innocent there is no way that shoe plead guilty, you go to trial, youth fight the charg, you get acquitted, because you didn t do it. but if you are guilty, and you not going to plead guilty and cooperate, you re instead going to go to trial and yourself convicted, well, this new decision to seek a terrorism enhancement, this new decision by justice department prosecutors shows what you re going to face in that instance, it could be something very much like what this guy, guy reffitt is now up against, the terrorism enhancement, their a asking for 15 years in prison, which is no joke. that could change everything for, you know, every other defendant who rightyt now is weighing their options, weighing the risks of going to trial, versus pleading guilty, asking for mercy, an

Transcripts for MSNBC The Rachel Maddow Show 20240604 08:04:00

people up and recorded video that he was looking forward to drags people out of the capitol building, kicking and screaming and wanted to specifically drag nancywa pelosi out of the capit building by her ankles because he wanted to see her head hit every step on the capitol building as he physically dragged her out. the part of the three t. percenters, well represented in washington during the attack. and a group that has surfaced in physical intimidation cases like rusty bowers. the first man put on trial for thers january 6th alleged crime and convicted on all counts, five fell nis and now time for the court to hand down his sentence.to his defense lawyers have asked the judge toen give guy reffitt less than two years in prison.

Transcripts for MSNBC The Rachel Maddow Show 20240604 08:05:00

who knows. federal sentencing guidelines suggest a term of more like nine to 11 years in prison. but this is interesting. and this provides us some new insight. the federal prosecutors in the guy reffitt case have asked the judge for something called an upward departure from the sentencing guidelines. sentencing guidelines are nine to 11 years and they re asking for the court to consider a longer sentence than that, asking to add a sentencing enhancement to the case on the grounds of terrorism. onng the grounds what he did fi the statutory definition of terrorism. he engaged inst acts of violenc that were intended to influence the government through intimidation or coercion,o act been defined by statute as domestic terrorism. now, it is up to the court, up to the judge whether or not to actually do that, to accept this terrorism enhancement on guy

Transcripts for MSNBC The Rachel Maddow Show 20240604 08:02:00

told anyone that same day the son said yes when an fbi agent called and asked if he would meet with him to tell him what caused him to send in that tip about his dad to the fbi. the sonat that same day, the da that his dad threatened to kill him, met with an fbi agent, told him what he knew about his father s activities on january 6th. and when his dad had told his son and daught ber having a loaded gun with him during the capitol attack, it turns out the son had been recording that conversation and that day whenu he metbe with the fbi agent, he gave the record together fbi. . and so that kid s dad, that was the first man who was put on trial for his role in the january 6th attack. a man from wily, texas, guy reffitt, the attack on the capitol building was january, 2021, he was the first one put on trial, put on trial march 2021, charged with five felonies. armed trespassing, guilty.

Transcripts for MSNBC The Rachel Maddow Show 20240604 08:03:00

obstruction of an official proceeding, guilty. interfering with police in a riot, guilty. transporting a firearm for purposes of interfering with police in a riot, guilty. and witness tampering, found guilty of that. witness tampering of course for threatening to kill his own teenaged son and daughter if they told anyone what he had done. it emerged during guy reffitt s trial that he was doubly armed iny dc, an ar-15 assault rifle when he went to washington and apparently left that in the-1 garage of his dc hotel on the day of the actual capitol attack butda the loaded semi-automatic smith and wesson pistol, he had on his hip, and flex cuffs, and heavy duty zip ties to tying

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