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Highlights divisions, generational and gender. do you see a generational division now in your caucus? >> i dont necessarily think so. because you have people from john conyers generation and al frankens generation and harvey weinsteins generation and matt lauers generation and all of these other people who are appalled by the kind of behavior that were hearing about. so i think across the board, people are frustrated. and that is still happening in our society today, but our role here in the uni...

Commit this crime -- >> whichal have seen says, and says to me they are not getting it right now. >> its beside the point unless the bottom line is if you do it, youre going to get caught, prosecuted, dishonorably discharged and in jail. until thats true, actually, i dont think youre guilty, so youre free to go, until that issue is settled in the military, all this training stuff ends up being besides the point. >> heres the big question, i cant imagine a thing that would create more political c...

Excuse that. if you dont have that, everything else you do to support victims or educate people about not getting themselves into the situation where they might be tempted to commit this crime -- >> which is all the literature i have seen says, and says to me they are not getting it right now. >> unless the bottom line, if you do it, youre going to get caught, prosecuted, dishonorably discharged and in jail. until thats true, actually, i dont think youre guilty, so youre free to go, until that i...

Excuse that. if you dont have that, everything else you do to support victims or educate people about not getting themselves into the situation where they might be tempted to commit this crime -- >> which is all the literature i have seen says, and says to me they are not getting it right now. >> unless the bottom line, if you do it, youre going to get caught, prosecuted, dishonorably discharchd and in jail. until thats true, actually, i dont think youre guilty, so youre free to go, until that i...

And stay ahead of their missions. >> martha: always good to talk to you, thank you very much. joining me now my phone is former new york city police commissioner bernard kerrick, good to have you with us this evening. obviously a bad day for all new yorkers. weve been down this road before and now it has revisited our great city. >> listen, the unfortunate thing is that nobody should be surprised by this. these people constantly, whether its isis or al qaeda, or any of these it radical islamic e...