committee has said that he is doing an impeachment inquiry. and when speaker pelosi spoke today, as you pointed out, she s not putting this to a vote. she conveyed at least to those of us who have been watching and have speculated that she doesn t want to put the 41 or so democrats who are in trump favo favor, she doesn t want to put them to the difficult vote of impeachment. that doesn t seem to have changed either. so basically, she took the podium, and she said, we are now formally doing, what, if you were listening to jerry nadler, you thought they were formally doing. i just don t see how it s different. bret: what about, andy, the call itself a question mark we are going to get the transcript, according to the president tomorrow. what about the apollo, possibility of there was this withholding and the conversation about joe biden and investigation of he and his son?
nancy pelosi, seemed to be treating the so-called transcript of the call as a shiny object. it s not the main event. they are focused on the whistle-blower complaint. we don t know exactly what whae president means when he says a transcript. was there a verbatim or is there going to be a summary, kind of bill barr style summary? bret: i think they have said that there is that s what the president tweeted. but we don t know exactly what he s talking about. we interpret that as a verbatim transcript. every single word that was audit on that call. i m not sure that is exactly what it does. there are people in the white house that take notes on these calls, but we ll see what happens tomorrow. but i do think the democrats are very focused on this whistle-blower come dominant complaint. the fact that there was. also, that the freshman majority
if it is truly an unredacted transcript and it doesn t show that he mentioned joe biden eight times, if it doesn t back that up. if it does back that up, it could be. bret: is this just turning the focus of, if you are in the middle of a primary, in which biden in some states is slipping a bit, iowa and new hampshire. does this affect that dominic n some way? that s a really interesting question. i think that s a gift and a curse for joe biden. he knew that attack was going to come in dominic.
it is what rudy giuliani has said in interviews about his talk, even though we haven t seen the transcript where the phone call. they say there s much more and that they want to see the full complaints of the whistle-blower since the ig of the inspector general, who said it was an urgent matter. yeah, well, i think the fact that he said it was an urgent matter connected to the statute. what i think is striking is that he said the complaint is credible. i think that s what is giving it a little bit of oxygen. as you listen to all of this, it strikes me, having looked at impeachment for a long time, you don t need a crime to impeach, but it really helps to have one, because a crime is really clean. you either have all of the elements or you don t. in terms of judging that, it becomes the offense.
has stuck in my mind. why would president trump agree to put out a transcript that condemns him? i don t think he would. there s something that the president said that s been sticking in my mind since last week. when people first started asking him about this, he said keep on climbing up this latter of the story, because you are going to fall a long way when the truth comes out. there s a little piece of me that s wondering if this is all orchestrated to bring everybody down who is seeking impeachment. that may be giving him too much credit. i don t know. but stuck in my mind when he talked about keep on pursuing the story. when that transcript comes out tomorrow, i think that s going to tell the story of whether the president really did something wrong or everybody was just chasing a ghost. bret: mccarthy is still with us. it is not just a phone call.