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Convict him. >> why do you say this? because the response he just gave about the papers or just the tape itself? >> just listen to it. hes committing the crime and in his own voice, you can read a transcript and you can explain it. you can say well, it was just bragging. well, he says look at the papers. let me show them to you. yes, he could say that well they were just magazines. if he says that, then he was lying to his own people. but they have witnesses who werent in the grand jury. we dont...

Director for the biden harris 2020 campaign actually alison. mark, i mean, you worked for trump, to hear that audio, of him talking about this so casually? i mean, what do you make of it? >> obviously we had seen the transcript, so it is just putting the audio to voice the transcript. i am not sure from a political standpoint that it is going to change much of that might from a legal im not a lawyer and i will let the lawyers house that went out. but from a political standpoint i dont see the ch...

Not included in the transcript that the special counsel included in this indictment, and, now it has taken on more significance, because he has altered his defense here to say, no, i did not have the document per se. there were no documents. now we reached out to the special counsels office to ask if this was an intentional or mission, or a mistake, special counsels office declined to comment, but i understand, your team has been -- it appeared to take a dozen innovations before everyone agreed ...

Which the accused said, now im not supposed to be showing this to you. its really secret but look. here it is.se i mean, its just a prosecutors dream to have something like this on tape. but all we could see in the indictment was prosecutors allegation that this tape existed and that on this tape trump said those things. you know, as an allegation it is damning. the special counsel is alleging trump improperly held on to classified information, here allegedly was this description of audio eviden...

Pervert. by the way, isnt that incredible. i was just saying, we were talking about, it and here, he wanted to attack iran -- this was done by the military, given to me, i think we can probably -- we will have to see. trying to declassify. it as president i could have declassified, and now i cant. >> now we have a problem. >> isnt that interesting, it is so cool, and here -- you probably almost didnt believe, me but now you believe me. it is incredible. it brings some -- >> joining me now, cnn a...

He is just sitting there upset because general milley tried to pin something on him, and his emotion is just welling up so much, he had this attack document put into papers, and he puts it like you founded to make his case. >> the former president, saying this totally wins my case, it is incredible how ironic that, is because if, anything this is now -- i mean, this proves the governments case. >> yes, i mean, when hes talking about his, case he talks about the argument, of the administration in...

Weve since heard that document actually, that the referencing predated milley. its so interesting what you said that its clear what hes talking about. even as recently as a few days ago, he is trying to say maybe he wasnt talking about a, document maybe he did not have a document per se? this is what he told fox news. >> there was no. document that was a massive amount of papers, and everything else talking about iran, and other things. may have been held up, or may have not. but that was not a ...

Says, quote, these are the papers. caitlin, you can bet prosecutors are going to hone in on that and any anticipated trial. >> also when he says, isnt that interesting? its so cool. you just read the transcript, but to hear the casual nature of it. caitlin, youre in miami because all of this is going on, youve seen it -- well nada is going to be arraigned tomorrow. he wasnt around the day that trump was in florida because he did have a florida-based attorney, what is tomorrow going to look like?...

They are lucky that they are on recess right now they dont are actually in washington because if hunter downplaying the transcript itself. but now when you can actually hear him say it in his own words, you, know wrestling papers around? well, unfortunately i think there is a population in the republican party that is not going to turn its back on donald trump. and because that i think republicans in washington d. c. will still play and hedge their bets on this. you dont want to get to a head be...

Believe your lying eyes. >> stick with us, dont believe the crap you see from these people, the fake news. just remember what youre seeing and what youre reading is not whats happening. >> it was the same during his first impeachment over his call with the ukrainian president, pressuring him to dig up dirt on joe biden ahead of the 2020 election. trump kept saying, read the transcript, as if by doing so, it would magically present a different conversation. he even mentioned it again this afterno...