>> president donald trump was charged with 37 criminal counts for unlawful retention of classified documents and for his efforts to obstruct the justice department from recovering secret materials. that on its own is a story of historic proportions except it may not be over yet. a federal grand jury in miami is still investigating the mar-a-lago case and in recent days the grand jury has issued subpoenas to a handful of people who are connected to the inquiry. now we don't know who received those subpoenas or what kind of information prosecutors are after, but post indictment investigations can result in additional charges, including charges against new defendants. well, now. joining me now is danya perry, former assistant u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york. danya, great to see you. thank you for being here tonight and helping me as well as everybody else understand exactly what the implications
led by our next guest, dan goldman, are demanding real investigations of supreme court ethics issues in a letter to the chief justice, congressman goldman says it has become abundantly clear to us that the current internal mechanism employed by the court is not sufficient to prevent either the real or appearance of impropriety of its members or to hold to account justices who break ethics rules. joining us now is democratic congressman daniel goldman of new york, a member of the house oversight committee. he served as house majority counsel for the first impeachment trial of donald trump, and he is a former assistant u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york. congressman goldman, what exactly are you demanding the
employed by the court is not sufficient to prevent either the real or appearance of impropriety of its members or to hold to account justices who break ethics rules. joining us now is democratic congressman daniel goldman of new york, a member of the house oversight committee. he served as house majority counsel for the first impeachment trial of donald trump, and he is a former assistant u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york. congressman goldman, what exactly are you demanding the chief justice to? >> i and 17 other former prosecutors and judges who are now members of congress are essentially putting, trying to put chief justice roberts to his word. he had said in a number of different ways and times that he and the supreme court is policing itself about its own allegations of ethical impropriety. but we have not seen anything of the sort. there has been no meaningful investigations done. any of the numerous allegations about justices thomas and elite oh, and so what we are
golf club that essentially he was entitled to taking documents with him and he later told fox news and reporters yesterday that he didn't have documents at all. this is something that prosecutors are tracking very closely and seeing how he's responding to this and using it to determine the intent that may have been there when he was -- if he had these classified documents, john. >> alayna treene, thank you very much. also new this morning cnn has learned that rudy giuliani, trump's former attorney, has been interviewed by federal investigators. this is part of the special counsel's investigation into trump's, fo efforts to overturn 2020 election. the special counsel is set to interview raffensperger. joining me is nick akreman, former u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york and former watergate prosecutor. let's start with rudy giuliani has spoken to investigators in
tr trump. >> my office will seek a speedy trial in this matter, consistent with public interest and the rights of the accused. we very much look forward to presenting our case to a jury of citizens in the southern district of florida. >> smith did not go into details of the indictment but said people ought to read it. joining me is elie honig, former assistant u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york. so great to have you back. let's talk about big picture. first of all, he's investigating both january 6th and mar-a-lago documents. what do you make of the fact that this was an indictment pertaining to one and not the other? >> mar-a-lago has essentially lacked january 6th. they have been investigating january 6th essentially since it happened. so we are two and a half years ago. mahmoud march didn't surface
special counsel jack smith making rare public remarks on friday after unsealing the historic had 0-plus-page federal indictment of former president and current 2024 candidate donald trump. >> my office will seek a speedy trial in this matter consistent with the public interest and the rights of the accused. we very much look forward to presenting our case to a jury of citizens in the southern district of florida. >> smith did not go into details of the indictment but said people ought to read it. joining me is elie honig, cnn senior legal analyst, former assistant u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york. so great to have you back. let's talk about big picture. first of all, he's investigating, he jack smith, both january 6th and mar-a-lago documents. what do you make of the fact that this was an indictment pertaining to one and not the other? >> well, let's keep in mind mar-a-lago has essentially
it's hard to be two cases in a short time. what's their backup plan? >> just when you read the charges that they know about, obstruction, conspiracy, espionage act, this is serious, serious stuff. and these are being brought by the federal government. our melber, always good to see you. i mean, let's do it again. >> it's a tough breaking news. night you've done such a incredible job. it's hard, you're great. i believe they had some added information. >> thank you my friend for staying late thank you for staying late. i'll see more of you in the days to come. now i want to bring in danya perry, a former assistant u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york. danya, thank you for being here. i would love your reaction to the charges that we know about that far, and how surprising, not surprising, could you flesh out what the actual implications of these are? >> i would say not surprising.
serious stuff. and these are being brought by the federal government. our melber, always good to see you. i mean, let's do it again. >> it's a tough breaking news. night you've done such a incredible job. it's hard, you're great. i believe they had some added information. >> thank you my friend for staying late thank you for staying late. i'll see more of you in the days to come. now i want to bring in danya perry, a former assistant u. s. attorney for the southern district of new york. danya, thank you for being here. i would love your reaction to the charges that we know about that far, and how surprising, not surprising, could you flesh out what the actual implications of these are? >> i would say not surprising. some colleagues, many of whom appear on your show, including joyce vance just now, writing quite some time ago, a white paper prosecution memo that predicted, what are these charges? it's not because we're soothsayers, or you know, have any particular insight into the future, it's because when we read what was publicly available, and we seem to fit into a particularly framework. as we sit along time ago, a lot of this wasn't particularly subtle or nuanced. it looked, from the very beginning, like a lot of the elements of a lot of the crimes that are now apparently maintained in the four corners of this indictment.
former chief of staff testified before a federal grand jury. now it's unclear whether his testimony was part of smith's classified documents probe or his january six investigation. maybe both. he could prove to be a critical witness. asked about this development, a lawyer representing meadows said in a statement, quote, without commenting on whether or not mr. meadows testified before the grand jury or in any other proceeding, mr. meadows maintained a commitment to tell the truth. i want to turn now to our cnn senior legal analyst who is former assistant u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york and a former new jersey state prosecutor. >> mark meadows could be the most important witness in this whole case. he is everywhere. meadows was donald trump's chief of staff for the last ten months or so. meaning, he was there through
he suggested, he claimed that he was in possession of a classified document and then also really acknowledged the limbs of his ability to declassify it so it's really hard to reconcile those statements with the public defenses that he and his attorneys have given but ultimately what truly matters are what they say to investigators and what they say in court if there are any charges brought. >> watch this space, paula reid, thank you. so for a closer look at how this could fit into the special counsel's larger investigation let's turn to elie honig, also a former assistant u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york and former federal and state new jersey prosecutor. there is a time line here, right? this recording was apparently from july of 2021, but at bedminster. >> yeah. >> how does that fit into the larger mar-a-lago case? >> this is such an important reporting by paula and the team. the best way to understand look at the time line. january 20th, 2021 at exactly noon eastern time, donald trump leaves office most importantly,