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in the last election. he has joined forces with all kinds of pro-war conservatives in washington. here is their latest ad. listen carefully. >> we have been attacked. we are at war. the free ward is world is counting on us for leadership. for 241 years, our democracy has been a shining example to the world of what we can all aspire to, and we owe it to the brave people who have fought and died to protect this great nation and save democracy, and we owe it to our future generations to continue the fight. >> tucker: so there is morgan freeman working for rob reiner in league with longtime war enthusiasts in washington like david frum and max boot telling us we are at war.
when does the bombing started exactly? we sat down with rob reiner to asking that question. watch. so we are at war. how would you respond if president trump took you seriously and sent the b-52s to st. petersburg or blockaded the gulf of finland. would you support that? >> when we say we are at war, we are talking about a cyber war. >> tucker: it doesn't make that clear. it just says morgan freeman, who everyone trusts -- his voice, immediately trust, we are at war. if you don't really believe we are at war, where are you saying it then? >> if you watch the entire video, it talks about cyber warfare, it talks about how he was able to use the internet and cyber tools to attack the democracy, which is what they did. >> tucker: but shouldn't you say somewhere in there, we are not really at war. just kind of taking creative
license, it's not really war. we shouldn't respond as if you were in a war. why not say that so you don't confuse people? >> i say if you watch the whole video -- >> tucker: i did. >> you wouldn't be confused about it. the thing that i have always felt is that, you know, people don't really understand the capacity for cyber warfare beyond the obvious stuff of hacking into people's computers or using the internet, you know, facebook, we now find out that they were using facebook to push out certain kinds of propaganda. propaganda has been around forever, you know, so we have had plenty of propaganda. beyonce propaganda propaganda, there are other aspects to cyber warfare that have been used, the russians have used it, and we have to make people aware of the capacity of this cyber
warfare beyond sowing distrust and confusion and democratic society. >> tucker: a couple of things. first, you have allied yourself with people like max boot and david frum, who have long advocated for real wars, hot wars. both of them are big advocates of the war in iraq predicated on the idea that saddam had weapons of mass destruction. i think he made a movie on that. but are you a little concerned, you have wound up linked to people who are advocating and have for decades a series of actual wars where people dive. are you comfortable with that? >> we have people on all sides. we have james clapper, the director of national intelligence, many supporters. norman lear. we have liberals and -- hawks and doves, as you say, on both sides.
we are not advocating going to war or going into a traditional war with russia, but we are already in a cyber war with the them. and people want to turn their heads away from that, it is at their own peril. the point i'd like to make, and this is important for people to understand, because this really doesn't have anything to do with donald trump. trust me. because donald trump, whatever happens to him is going to happen to him. there are already investigations. mueller is going to find what he finds. the house and senate have their own investigations. they'll find whatever they find. but beyond that, we have been invaded in a certain way, and the thing that has been so upsetting to me -- and i don't know how old you are, tucker, but i can remember when i had to hide under a desk during the cold war in the 50s because we were worried that we were going to get attacked by a nuclear
bomb. and whenever the country has been attacked in one way or another, whether it was pearl harbor or 9/11, we have always come together as a country to defend ourselves against enemies, foreign enemies, you know? and this is the first time, because i think we are divided as a country, and we know we are, want to bring us together. >> tucker: here's part of the reason. i agree with you. we are very divided, and maybe this is one of the reasons. a lot of this is deeply disingenuous. anyone who looks at cyber warfare will tell you -- any honest person will say -- the chinese military is the primary culprit in the you make united states. hacked into the house not that long ago and didn't know mike almost every federal agency. nobody said anything. you guys in hollywood sell your movies in china. you bowed to the imperatives of their propaganda and censorship. you change your movies to suit them. yet no one says we are at war with china. so you are sucking up to this
regime that has actually broken in installing industrial and military secrets that have hurt this country. you say nothing until hillary clinton loses, and now, all of a sudden, we are at war with russia. can you see why some of us are saying, wait a second, rob reiner, we are at war with china. why are you selling your movies over there? >> i'm not giving china a free pass here. >> tucker: of course you are. you guys in hollywood sellier movies and you allow their censorship office to change your movies in order to make money. >> i don't personally do that. >> tucker: everybody who sells a movie in china does that. you know that. kind of b.s.ing a little. that's real. >> here is the difference, tucker. the chinese have done some stuff, we've done stuff we were too. >> tucker: but we're going to judge russia because why? it doesn't make sense. >> you're not letting it make a point here. we know about stuxnet, we know
the capacity for cyber warfare. it's not just hacking into computers and stealing information. it's about using that information and weapon icing it in some way. now, you can weapon eyes it in propaganda, which it has been done in this way, or it can be actually westernized in a physical way to disrupt power plants, water supplies, and so on. the russians have done that in the ukraine. like i say, stuxnet, we did that in iran. this is not a surprise. the point is, we are at this point where you have two understand the capacity so we can put in place the kind of measures we need to defend ourselves. >> tucker: i agree with everything you just said. >> i love that you agreed with that. >> tucker: you didn't answer my question. >> what was the question?
i don't want to be cynical, but i find it striking that the united states has been the subject of repeated cyber attacks by china and i didn't hear anybody on the left say anything about it, and all of a sudden, they have phd's in cyber warfare and are calling for war with russia which, if anything, is less an offender. is it all political, do you think? >> yeah, it seems like so now, tucker. you're exactly right that there is, to say the least, some ideological inconsistency in the establishment and on the left when it comes to our foreign interventions, and when it comes to how we see china and how we see the rest of the world. >> tucker: it does seem that way. let's get back to the core claim here, and that is that russia hacked our election or hacked our democracy. we have talked about it for ten months now.
i'm still not sure that i understand how exactly russia hacked our democracy. are we certain of that? >> no, we are not, tucker. let's talk about the dnc hacked specifically. first of all, true or not, the entire narrative of russian election interference started as a hillary clinton campaign talking point. the dnc only announced it was hacked by russia two days after wikileaks had information that said the clinton campaign and dnc were colluding to mistreat bernie sanders. that provided the clinton campaign and incredible talking point going into the democratic national convention to distract from the fact that they were mistreating bernie. the second thing is that the fbi repeatedly asked to examine the dnc servers, and the dnc repeatedly refused. a private cyber security firm bought and paid for by the dnc with ideological ties to the clinton campaign looked at the
dnc's service. we have to trust that when it passed along information to the fbi that that was an accurate representation of what was on the dnc service at the time. third, the forensics or the information that showed a hacked passed along to the fbi were far from conclusive. a lot of the evidence is being used in a way that is analogous to saying, look, tucker, i met a crime scene. i see an ak-47 on the ground. the shooter must be russian. there is a logical flaw in that and the obama administration agreed there was a logical flaw in that, and that is why they waited the entire summer of 2016 to attribute that hacked to russia. when they did so, they did so under somewhat suspect circumstances. >> tucker: it would be striking to conclude, as we may at some point, that all of this was built on error or a lie. very specifically, why did the
dnc not allow federal investigators access to their service. was there a reason for that? >> we really don't know, tucker. that is kind of the problem here is that it's not that russia for sure it did or didn't interfere in our election, but the degree to which russia interviewed in our election is definitely open for debate and open for more investigation, and this is one of the areas we don't have good answers on why the dnc refused access. go ahead, tucker. >> tucker: it's just, just the whole thing. we've altered the course of our foreign policy. we changed american political history. you put the entire city on hold, cold, and no one has answered the most basic questions, like, what happen. willis, thank you for joining us. >> thanks for having me on, tucker. >> tucker: of course. according to new reports, president obama's u.n. ambassador tried to unmask the identities of spies-upon u.s.
citizens, not rarely, but on a daily basis, sometimes once a day. up next, what this says about the ethics of the obama administration, and the obvious question, which is, why were they doing that, exactly? plus, hillary clinton didn't focus on the electoral college and she lost. now she says it is time to get rid of the electoral college because it is a threat to democracy or something. we'll talk about that just ahea ahead. for your heart... your joints...
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the entire island has lost power. fema administrator rob long says it could take six months to restore electricity. the emergency director bluntly stated, the island has been "destroyed." so far, two deaths have been reported, but there is a lot we don't know about what is happening there. we will, of course, keep you updated as we learn more. efforts by the obama administration to unmask u.s. citizens unwittingly caught up in intelligence efforts -- in other words, people who were spied upon and didn't know it -- appeared to be much greater than anybody knew our guest. according to sources interviewed by fox news, samantha power, who was obama's u.n. ambassador from 2013 to 2017, and a political aide before that, it made almost daily requests to unmask the identities of u.s. citizens, often with no obvious reason for doing so. power previously has denied any role in leaking classified information about u.s. citizens.
joel rubin was the assistant secretary under obama, and he joins us tonight. thanks for coming on. >> my pleasure. thanks, tucker. so >> tucker: so this is exactly the scenario we were assured would not happen when one of these periodic debates about spying on american citizens breaks out, for instance, the nsa. we were told, there is no chance anyone is going to spy on you, and if you're talking to someone who is being spied on, your identity will remain secret. now we find that a very political appointee, samantha power, no background, just appointed, was unmasking people at the rate of more than one a day. what could possibly be a legitimate explanation for that? >> tucker, it is interesting, i was a career officer in a classified position at the state department, and we would oftentimes read intelligence reports. first thing in the morning, we would do what they call it a read-in.
sometimes names would show up that were american, but they would be blacked out, so one wouldn't see it. essentially, that is masking. what happened is, the americans end up getting caught up in surveillance when the u.s. is targeting adversaries, and at the u.n., there are many adversaries, as you know. there are many countries who want to do us harm. so our government is surveilling those governments and american names show up, that is what happens, and those names get masked. it is important to understand what is going on. are these americans being targeted? are these americans up to no good? that is oftentimes really what's going on. >> tucker: how many terror attacks do you think samantha power thwarted by unmasking the names of over 200 americans? >> honestly, it's not samantha power unmasking the names. what would happen is, there would be a request into the fbi, the national security agency, whether or not to unmask.
they determine whether or not those names get unmasked. an unofficial, a diplomat in this position, can't esther target or identify certain individuals and follow them. there really are rules of the road and how this proceeds. >> tucker: it doesn't seem like it. just to be totally clear, and contrast with you, samantha power, not a career diplomat. a very low-level journalist, a freelancer, then an obama staffer, and at some point she worked at harvard as an academic. so she is a political person. don't you think we should be a little uncomfortable that she put in a request of more than one a day for unmasking as a political person? that doesn't bother you? >> if her role was a political person, i could see your point. but she was the u.s. investor to the u.n. cabinet level position. strong bipartisan support. she has to be looking out for a national security at the u.n. and there are bad guys at the u.n. there is north korea, iran,
russia, china, saudi arabia. these countries are looking to do harm to the united states in many instances, and we should know what they're up to and who they are talking to. that is a question that needs to be figured out. >> tucker: i think these were -- by definition, i think these were american names. we have a fourth amendment, don't we, that says that you can't -- a criminal investigation, on the investigator, i come upon information for which i don't have a warrant, i can't use that in the prosecution. i have to put that aside because i don't have a warrant. she didn't have a warrant. how did she get an exemption from the fourth amendment? >> i'm not sure that's actually what happened. i don't believe that we have seen -- frankly, i don't know where the numbers are coming from that we are discussing, because it sounds like there is leaking going on about this
activity. but it appears that this was held in a classified setting, as it should be, and it has continued to hit and stay in a classified setting. i'll leave it at that. i don't think we have seen a plethora of american names coming out in the press of folks who were surveilled. >> tucker: actually, we have. i mean, you saw it with a number of people in this administration who have been impugned and, you know, maybe they did something wrong. i don't really know. but all the information that we have about what they did or didn't do comes in the form of leaks. here is the bottom line. the intel is now acting as a political player in our country. is that a good thing? are they supposed to be doing that? i didn't think they were supposed to be doing that at all. >> i would be the first to agree with you that leaks are dangerous and we need to ensure there is no leaking. we don't know the source of the leaking here. that's very important. there are two congressional
investigations. i was a congressional staffer. congress is injurious for leaking, as you know. what we need to ensure that names are protected and that as investigations are underway that the investigations go forward without that kind of noise happening. i agree with that. >> tucker: yeah. i hope michael flynn did something wrong because his life has been destroyed by those. >> well, yeah -- go ahead, tucker, please. it's been well, we're out of time. hope they're guilty. good to see you tonight. congressman and both parties are fighting themselves under attack by left-wing protesters. up next, we'll talk to one, a city member of congress who says his home was attacked by a group of activists. stay tuned. and pharmacists for their own frequent heartburn. and all day all night protection. when it comes to frequent heartburn, trust nexium 24hr.
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invaded his property and scared his neighbors. congressman lewis joins us tonight for a recap. thanks for coming on. >> you bet, tucker. good to be here. >> tucker: what happened, exactly? >> i'm down in the district and get a text from my neighbors. hey, jason, 19, 20, 25 people on your front step screaming and yelling, and his daughters were next on, called her dad, who called the police. they left, i believed before the police got there. but these are people that don't think the rules applied to them. i was elected as a republican, but now i don't govern -- they reserve the right to crash our office in violation of security protocols, to crash town hall and prevent other people from speaking, and even trespass and violate a city ordinance. it is getting a little out of control. >> tucker: coming to your house seems especially threatening. if people behave in a rude way in public, i don't like it, but your house is yours, and that
seems like a private sphere that they are violating. what did you do in response? >> i'll tell you what i did in response. i put up a facebook post saying that i was appalled and this has got to stop. everybody condemns violence on the right. after charlottesville, we all condemned that. where are the democratic leaders, especially now after pelosi's experience, condemning this dangerous movement on the left? and it is becoming dangerous, make no mistake. >> tucker: did you tell them to get the hell off your lawn? >> well, i wasn't there. >> tucker: you never went home. >> i was never there at the time. my neighbor texted me, i got home after they were gone. luckily, my family wasn't home at the time either. >> tucker: who were these people? >> this is a group funded by a big public union called take action minnesota. they also crashed our office.
they have been doing this, ratcheting it up. i think there is a collective temper tantrum being thrown by people who didn't win the last election. and they keep ratcheting things up because they're not getting any ears. will crash the office, will videotape in the office when we are not supposed to. we'll crash a town hall and not let other people talk in productive dialogue. if that doesn't work, why, we'll trespass and will invade somebody's home. there needs to be leadership on the democratic side of the aisle to say, you know what, enough of this. >> tucker: so they got your home address. these are labor people, but imagine if they had been antifa people in masks with two by fours, bear spray, knives, the kind of things they had brought to rallies recently. what are you going to do if that happens? >> i think the town hall situation is why it's not going to happen. i shouldn't say it's not going to happen. the reason so many republicans are scaling back on town hall's is precisely because of what you
described might happen. they want to hold the first democratic or left-wing rally of 2018 and call it a town hall. that is not free speech. that has nothing to do with a town hall. if it could happen in a town hall, you're right, it could happen anywhere. >> tucker: so when you're in washington, in the congress, and you see your car like colleague other side, do you ever your supporters showed up at my house, scared my neighbor's kids, maybe you should pull them back. do you ever say that to them? >> i have mentioned it a couple of times, but these people are ideologues. they are dedicated to the cause and they need these left-wing activists. i think they know that. look at medicare for all. this is socialized medicine. a few decades ago, that would've been the kiss of death in the democratic party. now democrats are falling all over themselves to have government run in controlled health care. this is the base of the
democratic party today. it is no longer jfk's democratic party. >> tucker: no. are you kidding? he would be yelled off the stage as a pig bigot. but it is the violent undertone, that seems like a new development to me. >> actually, if you are as old as i am, it's not. remember the fdf, the democratic convention of 1968, there has always been the strain of righteousness that oke hard left. the 1960s were proof positive of that. and unfortunately we may be revisiting that again. >> tucker: congressman, thank you. it's horrifying. >> you bet. >> tucker: the case of debbie wasserman schultz's rogue i.t. aids keeps getting stranger. up next, will tell you about the women in his life repeatedly called police to report his violent, threatening behavior. plus, hillary clinton says it is time to overturn two centuries
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>> tucker: we've got an update on the increasingly bizarre story of imran awan, the i.t. worker who remained on congresswoman debbie wasserman schultz's payroll, even after he was determined to be a security threat and was only fired after being arrested on federal charges while trying to flee the country. not a good sign. wasserman schultz has since suggested that awan was only targeted because, of course, racism, racial profiling, islamophobia. she didn't bother to ask me how that worked. meanwhile, awan insists that his client is a husband and father, not a political pawn. now police reports show that the women in awan's life repeatedly reported him to the police. one woman accused him of treating her like a "slave."
sitting as a congressional staffer he had the power to tap her phone, hurt her family members, even had her kidnapped. a third woman called the police after a domestic dispute, and follow no arrest was made in the end, police officer at the seams dried blood on awan's hands. contacted all 17 democratic women who once employed awan's services seeking comment on this. 15 of them refused reply at all. hillary clinton went on her recent book to her to tell america what happened, and it turns out that what happened is that hillary clinton became the country's biggest sore loser. in a recent interview with cnn, she called for the abolition of the electoral college which, for 230 years, has dictated the election of the u.s. president. watch this. >> do you think the electoral college should be abolished? >> i said that in 2000, after
what happened in the 2000 election with al gore. we have moved toward one person, one vote. that is how we select winners. i was amused after the french elections when i was looking to do an interview with a french electoral expert, and he said, unlike your country, the person with the most votes wins. i think it needs to be eliminated. i'd like to see us move beyond it, yes. >> tucker: leslie marshall is a talk radio show host, and she agrees with hillary that we ought to abolish the electoral college. she joins us. leslie, good to see you. >> good to see you, tucker. >> tucker: so pardon my skepticism, but this last election seems to have changed the abuse of liberals on many things. for almost my entire life, liberals supported russia, particularly when it was soviet russia. now they are against it because hillary blames russia for her loss. the electoral college has function for a couple of centuries. a prosperous, happy country. now we have to abolish it because she doesn't like it. can you look right into the
camera and say if hillary had lost the popular vote but will make the electoral college, she would be for abolishing it? >> i would, tucker. before i was a democrat, when i was in college and i was at an independent, i was against the electoral college then and i still am now. i must admit, in our history, five elections have gone against democrats in favor of republicans with the electoral college versus the popular vote. but that is honestly not why. as a democrat, i'll take the advantage of it comes up, but i don't think it's an advantage. i think it is a disadvantage. i am an state in california where numerous people will say, my vote doesn't count, and that includes many republicans who ta democratic candidate anyway. unfortunately, that is true. there is something to one voice, one vote. i believe -- and i love a democracy, a true democracy. even though we operate as a republic it, i would like to see a majority rule, even if my
candidate loses. the president himself back in 2012 said, the electoral college was a disaster for democracy, and he changed his mind as well. it's not just us liberals who change their minds. >> tucker: not surprised. let's take what you're saying seriously. if we are going to have a one man, one vote system, pure democracy, as he said, real democracy, we've got to abolish the senate because it is not, of course, democratic. robison's 40 million people. a senator from wyoming represents a little over half a million. it is not one voice, one vote. it is skewed. you get rid of the senate, right? >> i think when you have progress in a nation and do change, certainly our nation, country has changed in the past 230 years from the late 1700s until now. not just our demographic, not just how many states do we have now compared to then. honestly, and i know they're going to get mad at me in rhode island, but to have two
people representing rhode island and two people -- you mentioned the state i am in, california -- representing the population of this state, which is larger than some nations throughout the world, no, i don't think it's right. and i know you're going to be -- >> tucker: you want a direct democracy? are you ready for the consequences? gay marriage would be the law of the land. global warming, not even a concern for most people. you'd never get a carbon tax under a direct democracy. in other words, the idea that the majority rules, it's a great idea, and i'm for it. i'm more on the populace side. but pure democracy would disenfranchise rich liberals, the ones who run the democratic party, completely. their ideas have no popular support. is that a concern for you? >> i don't think their ideas have no popular support. i understand what you're saying but a vote in california. you have to look at the
demographic of the voters and the language of that ballot measure here in california. on a national scale, polls show that most liberal social issues are actually viewed favorably by both left and right, whether it is legalizing marijuana, gay marriage, and things like that. honestly, tucker, most fiscal issues left and right arm also agreed on. people, even democrats, even myself or mark fiscally conservative. i think it would work out. quite frankly, i want everyone to feel that they have a voice, and in this state of california where i live and the rest of the states in this country, i know many people don't. but look at how few people vote in our elections. >> tucker: i love it! people voted this time, the public said they want something different, the elected trump -- >> how many people voted, tucker? how many people voted? >> tucker: leslie, i don't know. >> of the people that could
vote, how many voted in this election? >> tucker: people who care vote. i'm happy with that. leslie marshall, thanks for joining us tonight. great to see her. >> thank you, tucker. your too. >> tucker: a christian t-shirt business is being sued because it wouldn't make sure it's for a gay pride parade. the store's owner has been denounced into some legal trouble. we'll meet with him next find out what is going on. it's like nothing you've seen. the power of nexium 24hr protection from frequent heartburn. all day, and all night.
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chicago's cook county. state what laws have been published in massachusetts, arizona, and elsewhere. you've got to hope that a lot of other states will join tennessee in doing this. animals are basically powerless. you can do whatever you want to them, which is why you shouldn' shouldn't. your relationship with them is governed only by empathy, and the public ought to have a way of knowing who among us doesn't have it, who among us thinks it's okay to abuse or torture those weaker than them. it should matter, the people who do that. if you hurt an animal, it says a lot about how you'll treat people. a print shop in kentucky is under siege tonight because its owner, who is a christian, doesn't want to endorse a gay pride event. blaine adamson is the owner and operator of hands on originals in lexington, kentucky. in 2012, he declined to print a series of gay pride t-shirts for an upcoming pride festival. he says he even employs gay
employs, but he doesn't want to print materials that conflict with his religious beliefs. we are joined by who is or presenting him in court. thank you for joining us. thank you for coming on. blaine, the obvious question first, and you say that it is not a question of disliking gay people, but that you have eight religious problem with this. explain that, if you would? >> absolutely. i'll print for anybody. it doesn't matter who you are, it doesn't matter who you are, what your belief system is. what matters is what message you're asking me to print. we have shown over the country of our history that we employ employees and we also print for gay people. it just depends on the message they ask us to print.
one specific example, the very pride festival we had an issue with, there was a lesbian band named mother jane. we predict traits for them. it was about who they are. it was about what messages we were being asked to print. we find that we have to decline messages often because of my convictions. >> tucker: it says in your bio that you have declined to print shirts that you thought were anti-christian, but you've also declined to print messages you thought were antigay. >> absolutely. one in particular, a shirt that says homosexuality is sin. as a pastor, i i don't think js would have gone about it that way. jesus was a master of grace and truth. it didn't feel like that was something i wanted to print. >> tucker: you don't seem like someone who should be sued over this.
i'm a little confused, because we do have the first amendment. can't someone say what he wants or not say what he wants. can you really compel someone to say something he doesn't believe? >> you're absolutely right. the constitution protects blaine and others. it protects the right of creative professionals not to be forced to create messages, express messages, or celebrate events that sell violate their core convictions. if we want that freedom for ourselves, we have to extend it to those with whom we disagree. >> tucker: could i be sued for not writing a certain kind of novel or not having a certain kind of guest on this show? i'm serious. could i be, by the left? >> you are spot-on, tucker. these laws will be applied to the left as well as the right. could a republican speechwriter be forced or a democrat? we are seeing these laws be applied across the united states, and there is a case pending right out the supreme court that has these issues. it is whether someone can be forced to express messages and to convey ideas that violate the core of who they are. >> tucker: i would think that
gay rights groups and christian groups and everyone would agree with what you just said. blaine, quickly, how has this affected your life? five years, probably not making millions printing t-shirts. this has got to be pretty tough on you, i would think. >> it's just one of those things you kind of get through. we just continue on doing what e just keep keeping on. >> tucker, one of the unique aspects of blaine's case, people of both sides are on blaine's side. we do have hope that tolerance is a two-way street here. >> tucker: and they absolutely ought to be. unfortunately, we are out of time, but i really wish you both look in this. thank you very much. >> thanks. >> tucker: up ahead, president trump has had plenty of critics who compare him to some of the worst figures in world history. one of those critics with a surprisingly different attitude a few years ago. you've got to watch this. stay tuned.
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>> tucker: on this show, you've heard from plenty of democrats and some republicans who described donald trump as one of the most evil and also buffoonish humans in history. a dark fusion of adolf hitler and was the only thought despicable? this is jesse jackson describing the current president. watch. >> thank you for being with us tonight. with your building skills, your gusto. people on wall street represent diversity. we thank you for coming tonight. let's give donald trump a big hand. >> tucker: we asked reverend jackson to come on and explain when the trunk evil?
a report he is worried about son don jr. and that infamous trump tower meeting. backlash continuing over the president's targeting of lebron james. the latest example of what appears to be trump's war against black athletes. plus, i'm going to talk to a potentially ground breaking congressional candidate in michigan hoping to be the latest democrat to show that going left is the key to victory for democrats in 2018. all of that straight ahead. we begin with the russia investigation. a tale of father and son. it's been more than two years since the trump tower meeting and it still a major source of concern on the part of the president and his legal team. to date president admitting any tweet that the meeting was in fact about getting dirt on hillary clinton. that's a correct contradiction to the statement we now know was dictated by trump himself when the meeting first game public
claiming if you may recall that was actually about adoption. but it's not the first time that president has tried to down play the importance of that meeting. take a listen. >> i do think this. i think from a practical stand point, most people would have taken that meeting. it's called opposition research. it's very standard. they have information and you take the information. >> all right. so we want to break down several important parts of this story today. the president's tweet comes after a report that he's becoming increasingly concerned about his son's legal jeopardy. so how much potential trouble could don jr. be in? the president continues to claim he did not know about the meeting while arguing the meeting itself is no big deal. so why the need to distance himself from it? how does all this play into a potential trump interview with bob mueller? for all of that, i'm joined by
former u.s. attorney and msnbc contributor barbara mcquaid, former cia officer david price and msnbc national security and justice reporter julia ainsley. great to have you with us. let's start with the trump tower meeting. the president's lawyers had this to say. >> you have to look at the totality. when you look at a meeting, george, that took place in a year before the -- now two years ago, the question is what law statute or rule or regulation has been violated? nobody pointed to one. >> robert, help us answer jay's question there. what law was potentially violated by this meeting which the president now admits was in fact to get dirt on his opponent? >> i can point to one. there is a campaign finance law that says can you not accept or solicit thang solicit a thing of value from a foreign national with relation to an election. we want americans to decide who becomes office holders in
america and not foreigners who can have foreign influence. so that is one very easy crime that could be violated as a result of that. i also think that this tweet suggests an obstruction of justice. with he have people trying to tell one thing happened when in fact another did. standing in isolation, the false statements about this may not be a crime. i think they tend to show the corrupt insent that could be important in an obstruction of justice case. substantive campaign violation and maybe larger conspiracy. >> so let me pick up on a point about this tweet as well, barbara. the president's tweet makes it clear that the trump tower meeting is and certainly has been on his mind. it concerns him. how do you think that it impacts any decision that he may want to make about sitting down with robert mueller when he tweets out what he has tweeted out earlier today? >> yeah, it's interesting. in light of the negotiations that are going on there, when you tweet, you're clearly talking to the masses.
owe can certainly have conversations with his lawyers and robert mueller. he is trying to down play it. i think two things about that. one is shifting stories is something that prosecutors are always very keenly interested in. because it suggests a consciousness of guilt you want to get to the bottom of. it makes robert mueller eager to talk to him. it suggests he has no intention of talking to robert mueller. this is for the masses. this is for political purposes. i think he'll slow walk the negotiations until he gets a point -- that's so close to the mid terms that he feels like robert mueller is not going to push him with a subpoena or some sort of litigation to get him to sit down. >> there's been interesting speculation this week that the president has been trying to shift a little bit of his strategy when it comes to saying things that, like, oh, you know, collusion is not a crime. yeah, we were getting help from a lot of people. we didn't break any laws. here is kellyanne conway this morning. >> when you talk about the hoax, he is talking about this fantasy, this unproven fantasy
is there a way or how do we know whether that's actually true? is there any way for us to verify that that meeting was of no substance since it's only the word of donald trump jr. who is down played it? >> i mean from our perspective here, it's very hard to verify that. but he can be sure that is something that robert mueller is still looking into. and even if he is found that nothing of substance came out of it, that isn't really a whole hearted defense. a, there is always the obstruction probe. the very statement that was made on air force one last year when this story came out could be used in an obstruction probe about the president for lying about that. obviously it's a lie as we see today where he is talking about there was dirt they were trying to offer and that is the reason why they met with them in the first place. also just wanted to go back to a point that barbara made. it is the attempt to accept or solicit this. just the very e-mails exchanged with donald trump jr. in setting this up. he said, gosh, if it is dirt on hillary clinton, i would love to hear it.
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all right. so president trump may be on vacation this week. he got no shortage of international hot spots to deal with. they're blaming u.s. residents among others for a suspected assassination attempt. incredible footage coming out of that country during that parade there in north korea. more signs of strain. the country's foreign minister publicly admonishing the u.s. for insisting sanctions stay in place against the country. in the middle east, rhinian protesters taking to the streets to rally against the collapse of iran's currency as president prepares to address the nation. all of this as the white house reportedly staffed up to unveil the long promised and long awaited middle east peace plan. joining me now ambassador wendy sherman for the obama administration and david kirk
pack tri kirkpatrick. great to have both of you with us. ambassador sherman, let me begin with you. the associated press is reporting that trump administration is asking for volunteers from other agencies to help work on the so-called middle east peace plan. why is this plan so missteerous as to the contents an why so many delays two years into it? >> those are excellent questions that i don't know the answers to. i think what the trump administration has found out is that this is a lot more difficult, that they thought coming in. you may recall president trump said during the campaign this is the easiest deal to do. the right person is not able to do it. i think when jared kushner and mr. greenblatt got involved in this, they had a lot of conversations. but the plan isn't so easy. if it's done right, it brings costs for all sides in this particular situation.
so i think they have a timing issue. no time will be good. perhaps they give democrats an advantage. the prime minister of israel is facing some contentious tensions within his own country. so should they wait for any electoral possibilities in israel? so what i think they're trying to do is get ready which is a good idea. because there's a lot of implementation that will have to go forward and a lot of diplomacy if there is real substance here and none of us know the answer to that either. >> david, it seems that president has had some mixed messages about iran to say at least he certainly had twitter war of sorts with the iranian government after threatening them. he came out and said he is willing to talk with them. on saturday he tweeted thut iran's economy is struggling as protesters are lining the streets across iran and said it's up to iran to agree to meet with him. i know you spent a lot of time in the middle east.
is it likely you see a scenario that he meets president trump given the propensity with countries like saudi arabia and egypt? >> i think that is high unlikely in part because the reimpositions of sanctions from the u.s. alone has nowhere near the bite that the multilateral sanctions, the obama administration have put in place previously. i mean you have to remember, iran got its own problems. it has a banking industry problem, economic problems abscent the sanctions. and so in some ways it's probably a little bit of a relief for the iranian regime to be able to blame trump and his sanctions for the economic problems of their own people. >> to that point that david brought up, when you take a step back and look at the tension that we've had with our european allies on issues of trade, on nato, on broader big picture foreign policy stuff, there is no insentive for european allies to go along with this administration's desire to snap
back sanctions against the iranian government. is it likely they'll have impact? >> the sanctions imposed tomorrow are fairly small in the scheme of things. the big ones, yeah, are yet to come in november. those are the oil sanctions and financial transaction sanctions. the sanctions imposed tomorrow does send a signal that the president is serious about reimposing the sanctions. that anybody looking for waivers or changes aren't likely to get them. and quite frankly, most of the large companies, whether that's alliance or total or siemens, bog airbus that had possibilities of creating planes for iran, all of them have already pulled out of iran. what europe is trying to do is hold on to small and medium
companies. what jeff said is correct. there say lot going on here. there is a lot of holes in the sanctions enforcement around the world but it will be very hard to keep the joint comprehensive plan of action in place and i agree there are internal problems in iran. zwroust day they released rules on currency exchanges, trying to stop the fall of the real iranian currency. i think the speech tonight calls for resistance. and really pretty nationalistic speech as was just suggested mr. mr. kirkpatrick. really rallying the country together against the united states. so not good. >> put this in context. the big picture of the region. do you see a strategy on the part of the trump administration vis-a-vis the middle east? we talked about the middle east peace plan. you have the iran piece of the puzzle. but then you also have the gulf, the persian arab gulf countries as well. put that in context for what is
actually happening now on the ground in the region there? >> i don't know if you call it a strategy. but what we see clearly in all the cases is the trump administration is betting on the gulf. they're putting all their eggs in with the saudis and that means turning against iran full force. and it also means that betting on them to pull through this peace process. i mean as you are probably aware, the funny thing about this peace process is they're talking to everybody but the palestinians. they seem to think that they have the gulf onboard and gulf money onboard, they can somehow pressure the palestinians or bribe the palestinians to come in to the table. >> there is a lot skepticism about what that looks like. it is a highly controversial
decision. great to have you both with us this sunday afternoon. thank you guys. >> thank you. >> all right. so one more note on iran. you may appreciate this if you're on twitter. former iranian president trolling president trump with this tweet. writing in english and making it clear that he's actually on team lebron in the battle between the president and the nba star. still ahead, why president trump seems to be especially quick to single out black athletes for criticism. fact is, every insurance company hopes you drive safely. but allstate actually helps you drive safely... with drivewise. it lets you know when you go too fast... ...and brake too hard. with feedback to help you drive safer.
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them. and two months before that trump lashed out at steph curry by withdrawing his white house invitation to celebrate the golden state warriors and their nba title. but the first black athlete to be attacked by trump, of course, you may recall is colin kaepernick. not only has he repeatedly criticized him for kick starting the protest. but when he was not picked up by any nfl team, trump taunted him saying the quarterback was fired and advised him to find something else to do. joining me now to discuss this, dylan scott. we have two contributors from the hill, republican consultant sir michael singleton and johns hopkins professor wendy asofo. wendy, let me begin with you. trump was reacting to this lebron james interview. take a listen. >> what i notice over the last few months that he's kind of using sport to kind of divide us and that's something that i can't relate to.
i know sport is the first time i was around someone white. i got an opportunity to see them and learn about them and they got an opportunity to learn about me and we became very good friends. >> so is it safe to say that lebron should have expected a trump reaction given the president's history and especially the tone of the point that lebron was neighboringing there? >> yeah. given the president's history, i would say so. again, as american citizens and as part of any democracy, the linchpin of our ability to critique any of our elected officials is why we consider ourselves one of the greatest nations in the country, in the world. but at the end of the day, what i think is really important to look and see here is that on and off the court lebron james has been a stellar athlete, a stellar role model. outside of the $8 million that he has done for this public school, he has also contributed millions of dollars to his own high school. however, for the president of the free world to sit here and criticize him and call him out by name is beyond the pale. we talked about, you know,
lebron james. we talked about colin kaepernick. we talked about stefan curry being called out by the president. but let us also taukt about the fact that agreeing popovich, steve kerr, eminem have spoke been the president but he hasn't said anything to him. >> some say it's more than an undertone, that it's flat out racism and not just simply an undertone. i know you wrote an interesting piece about lebron. increasingly wading into political waters. it certainly seems something that many athletes do as they grow in stature and confidence and position in their respective leagues. you call him the most important athlete in america. explain why he has become that. zblfr i think it's a coupgood
question much he's the greatest basketball player of all time. it's a two person conversation about him and michael jordan. the other thing is he hasn't been afraid to talk about politics. with just with him and trump, it goes back as far as the 2016 election. lebron stumped for hillary clinton. he appeared on stage with her. lebron started criticizing the president more directly during the charlottesville situation. he talked about lebron's lival steph curry and the visit to the white house. so he has maybe the biggest platform in the world. he has used it to talk about issues like racial justice and address politics head on. >> there is an interesting theme about the way the president tweets about black athletes or black people in general that he's trying to criticize. he's always questioning their intelligence, their smarts. i think people who look into the historical context of that, they'll say that is very racist. there is a lot of racist -- there's a ratist undertone and
that terminology to criticize black athletes. he needs a distraction from all the political mess he minfinds himself in. does that work for his base? >> i think it does. since he's been president, every single time there has been a ground breaking revelation that is extremely damaging to him and his administration, he always goes to these cultural wedged issues from kaepernick to maxine waters to others to basketball players, et cetera. because this is like red meat to his base. you know what is interesting to me about this is the president is constantly attacking the media. saying the media is dividing the people. honestly, if you look at the division, it's coming directly from the white house. i find it to be a bit ludicrous for the president to be attacking lebron james and don lemon's intellect. the president has a very difficult time putting together complicated statements.
that seems to be a bit of a critique. when you look on what is going on from michael cohen to the mueller investigation and the 12 congressional districts in ohio where the president was just speaking yesterday, i think things around donald trump are beginning to cave and we're seeing a president right now who is afraid and is not sure what direction to go. i think that is very dangerous. he isn't someone that very disciplined. >> we mentioned, we couldn't find any record of the president criticizing any white athletes as we heard from wendy talking about that. all he has is love and praise for people like tom brady and what you have, even sports owners in the nfl like jerry jones who did criticize him or criticize that position and his involvement in the decisions. he didn't get criticized. only got praise. let me ask you, wendy, about an interesting, you know, auns oun support. milana trump, obviously, she had kind words about the work that lebron has been doing with this new school.
were you at all surprised that milana who remains relatively quiet on a lot of issues weighed in on this particular one? >> it seems like there continues tore division at 1600 pennsylvania avenue whether it was earlier this week when we heard his daughter saying the media is not the enemy. now milana is giving praise to lebron james. before we give milana any brownie points, let's understand she is also one of the people who championed the whole birtherism conversation when it came to obama. i think she needs to move the conversation a little further with her own husband. you know, it's okay that your putting out a statement here. but your husband continues to be a bully time and time again. but you have this platform called the best. to be best, we need the leader of the world not to bully people. let's not give her a pat on the back that anybody should be doing. >> let me ask you quickly though. you brought up michael jordan. he tweet the his support for lebron james. has the president and his tone
in this criticism and the attacks against black athletes made imimpossible for people like michael jordan who remained quiet on issues of politics to not simply just stand by on the sidelines and weigh into that? >> i think too, severing about politics now. and the president is certainly responsible for making it that way. he has seized on especially the protests in the nfl. but all kinds of issues that are political issues raised by athletes. he seized that as an opportunity. so i think he absolutely sees a value in politicizing the sort of cultural things like professional sports. >> randy moss' induction into the pro football hall of fame drew quite a bit of attention for a statement he made. he was supporting a tie with the names of black and brown victims of police violence. in fact, here's what he told
their families. listen to this. >> so, you know, what i want to be able to express with my tie is to let the families know that they're not alone. you know, i'm not here, you know, voicing by these names on my tie at a big platform as the pro football hall of fame. there's a lot of stuff going on in our country. i just want to let these family members know that they're not alone. >> police conduct onest reasons that people are neiling. trump made this about patriotism. is there any way to get people to let people know why they're kneeling? >> it's interesting. the president was just meeting with pastors at the white house about criminal justice reform, for example. and yet, it would appear he still doesn't understand the significance of why so many of these players are utilizing the plat formdz th
platforms that athletes have gone back to ali and the olympics, et cetera. they saw the issues that impacted our society and bring attention to it. i think they should continue to do so. it is on donald trump who is the president not just for the people that voted for him, but for the entire country to recognize that. dylan scott, thank you very much. wendy and shermichael, stick around. the trump tower meeting seems to put all the burden for it on his own son, believe it or not. could donald trump jr. now need legal protection from his own father? i'm a fighter. always have been. when i found out i had age-related macular degeneration, amd, i wanted to fight back. my doctor and i came up with a plan. it includes preservision. only preservision areds 2 has the exact nutrient formula recommended by the national eye institute to help reduce the risk
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relations with the u.s. he has defended russia against accusations of u.s. election meddling. and president trump's national security adviser today defended the president's repeated use of the word hoax to describe the russia investigation. >> the hoax is the idea that the trump campaign was the beneficiary of a concerted effort together with the russians to affect the 2017 election. as to that, i don't think there is any evidence publicly. >> all right. so this as the president once again focused attention on the trump tower meeting with a tweet characterizing it as perfectly acceptable while making it clear it was his son's meeting and that he had nothing to do with it. to talk more about this, i'm joined by caroline policy, a criminal defense attorney. shemichael singleton and wendy is with us. caroline, let me begin with you. i want to focus on trump's legal issues. this is how "the washington post's" elizabeth holtzman described this. take a listen.
>> this is the noose tightening very, very, very much around donald trump's neck and the neck of his son. >> okay. i confused that. that is a former congresswoman saying. that the noose was tightening very much on donald trump's neck and that of his son. so donald trump jr. has not been called in yet for an interview by robert mueller. in terms of the defense strategy, are you at all worried about that? would you at all be concerned if you were trump's defense team that don jr. has not been called in yet? would that make him a target of the investigation this late into the game? >> yes. there is an old saying in my line of business if you're not at the table, you're on the menu. the implication, of course, being that robert mueller is circling and honing in on a smaller target and obviously don jr. and president are those tarts. i think it's pretty clear. >> is it safe to say with that tweet we saw today that president somewhat threw his son under the bus saying it's donald
trump jr. who put this meeting into place? >> what is so interesting, you see the dad taking the fall for the son in these types of, you know, familiar escapades. yes. because obviously you can't overstate the importance of this admission. that's what it is. it's an admission that everything that they have been saying previously about this meeting that i was about russian adoptions, which by the way just code language for, you know, russian sanctions to begin with. it is a toning down of everything about the issue. no, it definitely goes to a campaign finance violation. there is a specific section in the united states criminal code which says it is illegal to accept or solicit. solicit is really the key word here. even if nothing came of this meeting, we have that e-mail exchange with don jr. saying i love it. if it's what you're saying, i love it. that's soliciting something of value from a foreign national. this is not research when it is
from foreign entities. >> let me play you guys the sound bite. the noted journalist who broke the watergate story. >> what we are watching in the trump presidency is worse than watergate. it's worse than watergate as i say because the system worked in watergate. the heroes of watergate were republicans who demanded that the president be held accountable. >> if there is a report from bob mule eastern the team before the mid terms and if it is damning, are there any republicans you see who have skin in the game, i'm not talking about the bob corkers and jeff lakes who would stand up to the president? >> no. unless you begin to see a significant decrease in the number of registered republicans who support donald trump which i believe currently is around 80, 85%, i think a majority of members are going to remain quiet, particularly those who are up for reelection. i do think this could potentially benefit democrats because it could increase
enthusiasm on their side which could give them han advantaan a the house and give them an advantage in the senate. i think when you think about this time line and the totality, we know the president dictated this statement. jay came out and said the president did not. we found out that is a lie. we found out the president admitteded it is about opposition research. they maintained it is merely about adoptions. so what i wonder now, when did the president find out this meeting was about opposition research? did he know before or after the fashgt? how long did he know if it was after the fact? i think this is not good for the president and is not going for republicans going into midterms. >> yewendy, let me get your reaction in terms of those willing to stand up to the president if the mueller report drops before the midterm? >> republicans show they care more about having the president's backing than actually sticking up and speaking out for the american people. what we're seeing here is another tile in the string that is trump trying to obstruct the
american people. and right now what we need to focus on is whether there was corrupt intent. because that's where we start to build that obstruction case. from every tweet he gets up in the morning and starts going off on his phone, we're seeing that there could be that corrupted ted. so we need to keep an eye on that and hopefully the democrats take back the house and do what needs to be done here. >> wendy, shermichael and caroline, great to have you with us this afternoon. up next, i'm going to talk to a canned dalt tryiindicate c make her mark on the mid terms. ugh we're gonna be late, we're gonna be late! hold on, don't worry, there's another way [siri: *beep beepá] directions to the greek theater. ♪ can i get a connection? can i get can i get a connection? ♪ ♪ i can see it in my, see it in my reflection. ♪ ♪ ohhh can i get a connection?
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the democratic primaries. 84% increase over the 2014 midterms. compare that to just over 10 million people that have voted in republican primaries and an increase of about 24%. my next guest rashida tlaib is hoping that democratic enthusiasm will be on her side in tuesday's primary for michigan's 13th congressional district. if elected, she would be the first female muslim in congress, but first, tlaib has to beat five other democrats vying to beat coniers who stepped down following allegations of sexual misconduct, which he denies. let me begin first with the local polling in your area that shows that you are in a dead heat with the other top two candidates. tell us what separates you apart from brenda jones and mayor bill wild. >> i think it's the approach to public office. i think when people think, yes,
i stand for progressive issues, similar issues as they obviously campaigned on, but i think my approach to public office has always been uniquely different. as a michigan state representative, i created a neighborhood service center, we're getting people through everyday issues that was critical to changing people's lives. also i don't vote the right way, but i come home and fight side by side with my residents. even if it's a city issue, a local or a state issue. i will try to elevate their voices in a very powerful way throughout activism. and through a number of various campaigns like we have a right to brief campaign, to let folks know at all different levels of government that we have high rates of asthma. those are the kinds of unique approaches that i take to public office. they'll never have to check me on my vote. but on top of that, they'll have me right here at home fighting for them. >> so let me play you this sound bite from ohio governor john kasich. take a listen to this.
>> the problem the democrats have is i don't know what their message is, george. you tell me, it's sort of like anti-trump but no message. you can't win elections if you don't have a message. you know that, you have been involved in politics. i know it. if you can't have a positive inspiring message, you don't very well. >> is it to say that -- let me ask you this. what do you see as the democrat's message, how is is your message different from the larger parties if it at all different? >> look, i think for me i want every single family child in my district to live in a just, fair society. you know, all of them have been chosen kind of at the second -- second class. so they focus primarily on corporations and tax breaks for corporations. and you see that shift. i mean, my district is very, very much challenged with poverty. closing of schools. some of my district areas don't even have a school district. so seeing that shift of our public dollars towards for
profit development here in the 13th congressional district has been tragic for so many of us. so for me, it's about a just and fair society. you have republicans saying about the resistance and all this. to me, exercising your right to vote if that's resistance then bring it. because i want people to come out and vote. when they come out and vote, people like that person and president trump do not win because they don't represent the majority of americans across this country. >> all right. so speaking of presidents, obama said he's endorsing 81 candidates in 18 states but none from michigan made the list. how much of an impact do you think president obama and an endorsement from him would have on the midterms and two, is the democratic party split between the more traditional establishments and the more progressive left leaning sometimes self-described socialists? >> yes. in many ways. look, i think that for an
endorsement is great. but endorsements don't really win elections. we saw that in a number of elections including, you know, hillary versus donald trump. and i can tell you here at home that's the same thing. endorsements don't really have this heavyweight that many people think it did in the past. also, what's really critically important here is when i talk to families going door to door and talking to them, it is really, really important that the issues that they have going on in their homes are not really reflective of all the democrats. so i'm not a corporate democrat, that's what sets me apart from a lot of my colleagues. >> all right, rashida tlaib, we wish you and others luck on tuesday. i hope you'll come back and join us them. thank you. that'll do it for me this week. join me at 5:00 p.m. to break down the major stories of the week. reach out to me on social media. be sure to join kasie hunt at 7:00 p.m. but first up, it's "meet the press."
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11:00 this morning and it happened in central gaza, the area of nuseirat camp now, we know from the israeli side that they say that for israeli hostages have been released. and as you say, one of those hostages is noaa. money, a 25-year-old chinese israeli citizen, who, as you say, we did see on the back of a motorbike on october 7 being taken away by hamas militants. she was at the nova music festival this potentially one of the better known that hostages the that we have been hearing about over the last eight months we also know that andre kosla for 27-year-old, russian israeli citizen, has been rescued as well. he was working security at the music festival when he was taken hostage shlomi sieve, 40-year-old, who was also working security at that music festival where hundreds were killed on october 7 and i'll maga media johnny 20 one-year-old. so the four according to it, israeli officials, that we've heard from our in good medical condition, they have been taken to a medical center to check them over. let's listen to what the idf spokesman had to say this was a high risk complex mission based on precise intelligence conducted in daylight in two separate buildings. >> deep inside gaza while under fire on fire, inside the buildings, under fire. on the way, on the way out from gaza, all forces rescued our hostages israeli forces have been preparing for this rescue mission for weeks there are underwent intensive training they risk their lives to save the lives of all hostages but we also have to look at what is happening in gaza devastation left behind after this operation. we hear now from our producer on the ground, that at least 55 have been killed in the area that this operation happened is at the al-aqsa martyrs hospital and hundreds more have been injured hancocks with the reporting from jerusalem, paula, thank you. >> let's bring it back now, here state's sayyed and the 2024 race for president. now, 150 days until election day. but the election season starts far before that. first of all, this week, republicans can see the cracks in the coalition of black and latino voters that helped joe biden beat donald trump in 2020. but it's not clear that they have a seamless strategy to actually win those voters senator tim scott announced that he's giving it a shot this week. he's launching a multimillion-dollar effort to tor battleground states and recruit black and latino voters for trump and the gop here's the catch though, in the announcement a source told cnn the republican national committee, and the trump campaign are quote aware of the initiative and they plan to be resources where needed. but this was not a directive from the trump campaign. so it seemed like they know he's doing this, but nobody asked him to do this. and those no urgency to help him help them center is god's plan is expected to focus on michigan north carolina, georgia arizona, nevada, and pennsylvania. so let's go to philadelphia this past weekend trump campaign, they actually hosted a black americans for trump up prevent. this one is cognac and cigars because you know how much we love hennessy the philadelphia inquirer points out that the first event was in northeast philadelphia. one of the widest and most conservative parts of philly congressman byron donalds was the main speaker. and for the rest of the week, he had to clean up or explain or defend comments he made that day about black families being together during jim crow let's talk about this muddled messaging with michael harriet. he is a columnist for the grill and author of the black aif history, the and whitewash story of america. michael good to have you. thanks for having me. so let's start here with why is tim scott doing this? and is he the best? i guess ambassador for the gop to get black and latino voters. he's, he's expecting to get them for trump and the gop when he couldn't get them for his own campaign. >> well, no part of the reason tim scott is doing this is not like you said, trump didn't ask him to do it is part of like he has some leftover campaign money. any wants to be vice friend? so why not use this to by the vice presidency, he's best positioned out of all the candidates, like to be the black vice president. so that's part of it. and the other reason is, i mean, let's be honest, i'd like you know, here black people talk about like, let's go to the tim scott party yeah, you don't want to go right out to the tilt kind of it. but tim scott is partially dorna's to kind of make a men's to his own black constituents in his own blackstone, which is also a part what i don't understand because the way tim scott speaks about race in racism in the country now and he says there is no structural racism, there is no institutional racism is not the way he has always spoken about. if this is tim scott in 2016 talking about racism and the scales of justice, watch this so while i thank god, i have not endured bodily harm i have, however, felt the pressure applied by the scales of justice when they are slanted i have felt the anger the frustration, sadness and the humiliation that comes with feeling like you're being targeted for nothing more. then being just yourself that was 2016 and he one on the same ballot is donald trump won reelection in 2022. >> what happened? there? >> donald trump happen right so i've talked to tim scott about this issue about justice in policing. remember, for years tim scott was trying to push through police reform or the water scott notification act four years, but all that would away with donald trump, right? because this current republican party is not really a conservative party, is the party of fealty to one guy. and what one guy dictates is what you have to do or be on the outs with the entire republican base. and so tim scott has set aside all nest of this. he has been fighting for for his own self-preservation. and that is to serve donald trump, the lord and savior. here's what byron donalds said this week about black families and jim crow so one of the things is actually happening in our culture would your now starting to see in our politics is the re, in the region invigoration of black families with younger black men and black women that is also hoping so breed the revised hi have a black middle class in america. >> you see during jim crow going to go back to orange and grow back family wants together during more black people were not just conservative, but you always have 50 serving of my are more black people holy conservative leak and then hew, lyndon johnson. and you go down that road. and now we are where we are now he could. have made that point without invoking jim crow. >> why the frame work of american apartheid around families and families staying together? >> well, first of all, yeah, like you said, like, i don't even know why he spent the rest of the week defending stuff that he brought up. but i think that he was dog listening to a particular part of his base, white, not the black men, but there is a segment of black men who wish that they could return to the days when women didn't have all the rights that's one of the parts of that that we don't talk about that he's kind of dog whistling to like after the civil rights act women also got rights and that is why marriage rates in every race decline because they could have bank accounts, they could get jobs. and that's one of the things that he was dog whistling too. but the other thing is that he was dog whistling two part of his constituency because at those events, mostly white and at those events like those constituents who are gathered their they also are what to return to that jim crow time. that's the place that they want a return. that's what they're talking about, what they say make america great again. and that was also or not those people michael harriet. thank you for having us understand this outreach to black and latino voters. thanks so much for being with us. $130 billion. that's a lot of money according to the fearless fund. that's venture capital funding raised by us companies in 2018 the firm says that when they found out that only 2% of that financing with the companies founded by women. and less than 1% went to company started by women of color. it became their mission to close that gap with a grant program for black women entrepreneurs but their work is now on hold after a new federal well appeals court ruling fearless fund was soon on behalf of a group called the american alliance for equal rights. and they argue the program violates the law. and they say programs that excludes certain individuals because of their race, such as the ones that feel this fund has designed and implemented are unjust and polarizing. now, the aer is led by edward blum. now he's not a household name, but i'm sure, you know, the fruits of his work recently he's the legal strategist who supreme court case dismantled affirmative action in college admissions. a blom is not trying to hide his continuing crew say this headline conservative activist who took down affirmative action is now going after law firms, diversity programs is featured on his groups website. his group is also going after a southwest airlines travel award program for hispanic students. the smithsonian institute, a national museum of american latino, in march blum touted as settlement that promised the museum's internship will now be open to all ethnicities but not just blum. it's taken up this cost since the affirmative action ruling conservative groups like here's have targeted a range of programs from those studying reparations to a program meant to help pregnant women of color now with that context, let's bring it now. ariane simone, she's the ceo and founding partner of fearless fund. thank you for being with me this morning. let me start here with i think is probably a pedestrian question, but i want to let you run a little bit with it. why socially, why culturally are these efforts successful, and why the fearless fund? >> i can't exactly tell you why the fearless fund, but what i can share is the impact that we have had prior to the fearless fund being in existence. black women had an average fund raise of $30,000 when the fearless fund was bounded, it came on the scene. we were cutting seven figure checks to black and brown women. our thesis is that a woman of color co-founder must be on the founding team and that is the impact that we have had. we've raised somewhere over 60 million. we've deployed investments at our investment vehicle and at our foundation, we have deployed grants as well as health education programs. i can't exactly say why we were targeted, but we this is the impact that we have and maybe some view it as a threat so among your list of investors, bank of america, jpmorgan, chase, mastercard, ally paypal does this ruling jeopardize that support that you then pass on to the women you award these grants well, there's two things going on. >> there's our foundation that's where grant programs are held. and there is our fund which is our investment vehicle, since the lawsuit, i can say that we have not had a closing on the funds sayyed, where we raise capital in order to invest in women of color since the lawsuit, we have had some corporate partners step up on the foundation sayyed, can continue those programs, but on the front side, we have not had a closing since the litigation has taken place. >> so there was a study from goldman sachs in 2020 that black business owners say that they were denied bank funding at a rate three times that of what we heard from are they heard from white business owners? what does this ruling practically mean for black women invest entrepreneurs and maybe other organizations that like yours target investment in this community that is at the front of the line when it comes to starting new businesses in this country it is very concerning. >> we only exist due to the racial disparities that exist as you stated, just recently, that there have been many times where people of color and black women and black people have been denied funding and financing there is no reason why black women are the most founded entrepreneur demographic, while receiving the least of the funding that takes place. there's no reason for that at all. these programs are at stake and they're at stake because this is a precedent case. this being used as a benchmark way to establish case law for what is either violating the law or accepted by the law. so yes, this is definitely very concerning and i hope everybody is taking note on simone ceo and co-founder of the fearless fund. thank you so much for your time this morning. well, he murdered a black lives matter protester in 2020. but daniel perry is now out of prison thanks to a pardon from the governor of texas, will speak to the district attorney who is now fighting to undo that. and the mother fighting for justice for her son, garrett foster plus id day medic, 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foster, where this challenge to the pardon was announced. now, here's how daniel perry's attorney is responding kalisa garcia is making a mockery of the laws of texas and the state constitution which give governor abbott this power well, travis county district attorney jose garza is with us now alongside sheila foster, garrett foster's mother thank you both for being with me. >> and let me start here with you, da garza, texas constitution, our region just a section of it. the governor shall have power on the written sine recommendation and advice of the board of pardons and paroles the majority thereof to grant reprise commutation of punishments and pardons. why is perry's attorney wrong? >> the governor's power to issue a pardon is not on limited and that's because the governor is not a king. he's not a monarch. keats still has to operate inside of our democracy and inside our democracy, there are rules that are laws that govern how pardons can be issued and what steps need to be taken before a pardon can be issued. in this instance. those laws were clearly violated. but texas also has defense council would read a little further in the constitution. he would also see that the texas this constitution has one of the strongest separation of powers clauses in the country. and as a result of that, it prohibits the governor from interfering in the role of the judiciary, which is exactly what he's done in this case. this pardon makes a mockery of our justice system. it has inserted politics above the law and above justice, and we intend to continue the fight. them to uphold this conviction or garrett and for his family ms foster, to you, you've spoken about not just what this pardon means for you, your family, your son, but what this means potentially for other governors, for other offenders, the legal system it sets a precedent. it sends the wrong message it allows people to copycat what he did and how would everybody feel if that had been a trump rally? would he be pardoning this man if that had been a trump rally the garza, you say that this interferes with a judicial system if that is the threshold let me just give you some some room here to explain that. >> how does it interfere? i mean, the the guy oven or has the power after conviction on advice from the pardon and paroles board that happened here where did he interfere? >> let's let's talk about this from a couple of different perspectives. first of all this part is wholly unprecedented in many ways. the request for a pardon was issued less than 24 hours after the jury verdict the part in itself was granted after the appellate. i'm sorry, before the appellate process even began it is the first time in the history of the state of texas that have governor has pardon someone before the appellate process has run its course. >> but the other piece of this is that the rules are clear. >> that in order for a pardon to be granted in the case defendant is asserting actual innocence. that the defendant has to either provide evidence from the district court or provide written letters from from two of the trial officials and in this case, none of that happened because all of this is political. let's remember that the governor old for this, pardon? i'm after being bullied by tucker carlson and other right-wing voices on conservative media and so no one should be surprised that they circumvented all of the rules and all of the normal legal process to get to this political outcome. certainly the power of pardon is a strong one, but it is not an unlimited power. >> and it should be insulated from politics. >> that's not the case here sheila i having spoken with several parents in your position after losing a child, the conviction of the person who murdered that child is part of the healing not closure. >> i don't think there's ever closure, but healing how has this period since the pardon been for you i've been sick ever since the governor announced his plans to pardon. >> i haven't been able to return to work because i am so sick because of the stress we waited nearly three years for a trial and when we finally got a guilty verdict, i was able to sleep fully for the whole night for the first time since my son's death. and then 18 hours after the jury verdict the governor announced his plans, departed it has wreaked havoc on my health and now that he's done it i don't i don't function normally anymore i'm just honestly terrified how is weekend? i know saying yeah, i saw her last week and visited with her and she's she has struggling this is not right. there's nothing about this that is fair. there was nothing wrong done in that trial and they are just using this for political pandering. >> i should also say the documents show that perry texted in may of 2020 quote, i might go to dallas to shoot looters close. quote, and also shared racist messages, including white power memes, as well. now there are 14 attorney's general who are asking the department of 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melody associated press took these photos of the ceremony and they described the metal being laid there on the sand and soldiers saluting it. the api described the metal being passed around among the soldiers delicately. and it was explained that we want to be able to say that this metal came from omaha beach and was at the site of woodson's actions corporate woodson son, steven is here also with this is shyam brown. she chronicled the stories of heroes like stevens dad in a new documentary a docuseries, in fact called erased world war 2s, heroes of color welcome to you both. and steven, let me start with you because i understand there was a reporter from the api who described to you over the phone what that ceremony was and what they did and as you heard it, what do you feel i was overwhelmed with emotion. >> victor, it was extremely well-done i actually did get to see portions of the video and on there's truly unbelievable and honored what does this mean for your family for your 90 mother? >> what does this honor, now, me it's a tremendous honor to our family. we've been in pursuit for recognition for not only my dad, but just african american soldiers who participated in d-day invasion is 320th and by receiving this honor, it's just a little bit more of closure of recognition for all african american soldiers have participated in d-day. my dad's heroism was outstanding, but it's true honor, our family and shy. >> and do we know how many now black service members participated on that day in 1944? >> so with the free 20th, there were over 1,000 african american troops as a part of that barrage barrage balloon battalion and as well as the free 20th who were the only black combat unit to land on the beaches of d-day. >> there were also a lot of labor troops and so within our documentary series, we've looked at combat unit combat units as well as people who would have been serviced troops at the time. >> so yeah, there's we're still discovering stories and it's just it's been an amazing journey to be a pole. >> according to the army, more than 1 million you in black people served during world war ii we know why they weren't recognized 80 years ago or even 50, 40 years ago. but why are they so under-recognized today, cheyenne oh, that's a tough question, but i think there's a way of rewriting history and what we mentioned in my film is that there are plenty or history books films, documentaries, which often leave out the black experience in world war two. >> but what we know is it was world war there were over 8 million people of color who served in world war two. and i think those stories need to be recognized and it's taken so long because i think it's hidden history and i think it's incredibly empowering and brave what these men and women do and had done there. so i think it's, i think it's who writes the history, what historians know, what archivists know. and another thing is a lot of the time to black troops what photograph, and they weren't recorded but in my film, you see black troops on in kettering in middle england. so we managed to discover that footage, but it was really, it's quite difficult to find a large array or photographs and footage steven, i understand that your family is now calling for your father to be honored with the medal of honor yes. >> matter of fact, we've been in pursuit for this or with this for a number of years. my mom is really karatay, the torch or a majority of the time and with her being 95 now, she's doing great. but she has asked me to step up in and take her place in pursuit of my dad's recognition. so everything is going along fine senator chris van hollen from the state of maryland has been really instrumental and attempting to get recognition to him. >> well, i hope you are successful. steven woodson. thank you for your time. cheyenne brown. thank you as well. the d-day episode of erased world war ii, heroes of color is streaming. >> now alright, coming up we all recognize the 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ethnomusicologis t at berklee college of music and co editor of the book reggaeton weighing good to see you so this beat this dembo beat is everywhere. how foundational is it to the genre of reggaeton? >> oh, i mean that basic beat is absolutely foundational to reggaeton. a lot of people would say without that beat, that rhythm, it's not reggae tone. and you can find that beat propelling most reggae tone souls so this judge is now not determined whether the beat pattern is original work are warranted copyright protection you study this, does it first appear in fish market in 1989 or has it been around forever? >> well, yeah, it's a great question and perhaps a crucial question and one that will start to come out as the trial proceeds and it really depends on how you define it. obviously, steely and clearly or making the argument that they brought this rhythm into shape. and in an original and protectable way back back, then but it really is a question that basic beat that get to get, get to that we hear all the time and reggaeton. and that really define the sound of dancehall reggae in the late 80s and early 90s on the other hand, could be heard as a far, far older and more traditional rhythm these days we call it dembo pointing back to a dental rigueur record by sciubba ranks called dembo but 100 years ago, you would have heard somebody referring to that basic rhythm as the harb and anera because it was so closely linked to havana and in various other moments in time, it's been known as the tango. that's where tango gets its name. it's been known as bamboo law. according to robert farris thompson the great chronicler of afro diasporic culture in his work on tango he notes that back in congo, it was known as a mach-e new the call to dance. and so it's also not wrong for you to respond that way and apparently people have been responding that way to that rhythm for a very long time. >> one of the more than 100 artists who have been sued is, as i mentioned, bad bunny his album in 2023 was the most streamed album on spotify, 4.5 billion streams. what does this lawsuit mean in this moment of man? i save growth for reggaeton right? yeah, i mean, as you note reggaeton has been a massive growth sector in the music industry in general, bad bunny has been on top of the world more or less for several years. we had the story of days by sito back in 2017, making a record run up the anglo pop charts. so there's a lot of money, there's a lot of money, and reggaeton. and i think that's part of the backdrop here, is that jim making musical style has been a part of the global mainstream for quite awhile. and it has sort of defined the global mainstream through, through reggae tone for the last possibly 20 years, certainly the last decade or so. >> i think you've got a lot of jamaican producers and artists looking around and seeing a lot of people who are not jamaican exploiting beats that they think really are from jamaica. >> and they're wondering what they've been left out. >> yeah. and that is certainly the undertone of this now is reclaiming the origin of some of this music as so many around the world are profiting from it. wayne marshall ethnomusicologists. my first one on the show. thank you for being with me this morning to talk about reggae tone so he has are for sale paintings appearing exhibitions, a piece commissioned by the first lady of kanna. and he's not even 2-years-old yet meet the toddler who guinness world records just named the youngest male painter in the world. and artists like the assignments are going off and playing the tornado here. i'm thinking i'm going to die. and i thought that was it. >> marlin earth with liev schreiber tomorrow at nine on cnn homa glowed, just cleaned my entire house for $19. seriously, $19. >> they showed up right on time ended my dishes, my laundry they even cleaned my windows you just pick a date, pick a cleaner, and enjoy a spotless house for $19. >> i love using glow and i think you will 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when i introduced him to the traditional compass and easily brush and palette setup. but it might ahead. i thought i was going to now teach him how to do immediately. i put the set up in front of him. >> he took the rest. >> did they appear and started painting? >> i took out my phone and this is our old soul already knows what to do. i just have to be make sure that i'm. opening the what's those core here you pled he couldn't do that. he as we speak, he had about 50 paintings so far, he has participated at just one wasn't. group is exhibition called sound out at an easier, more science and technology. >> people like lady of their public, of dana which keep committing a piece at some collective around the world. >> for me, i'm very proud of him because having a child 8-year-old haven't such be liquidly, smith followed as good as the whole world recognizes came as judge not now okay the black one, the two canvases side-by-side that my favorite that is my favorite. >> so as liam is going 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that threatens to destroy us. joining me right now ken burns. i have your copy. i told you yesterday when i emailed you that i want to read the whole thing. first, tell me about this internal tussle on breaking your vow with neutrality. >> i've been making films about american history. i have no interest in talking to one group or the other. i have no interest in polishing whatever political apple i might be attracted to. i'm interested in telling true, honest and complicated stories. i'm equally drawn to those moments that address an abiding faith in the human spirit and is particularly what this american experience has been about. every once in a while you feel from having experienced all this undertone what the stakes
not relation for them that if they can just teach them the numbers then somehow we will all feel well it. doesn't matter what you go through when you go to the grocery store or the gas tank or in the cities that have been invaded by crimes or people that have been invaded by folks that are illegally crossing the border. none of that matters, just look at their grasp. and i think the racial undertone of saying, look, let's go to south carolina where something tragically happened because of the basis of race and make the link back to donald trump like they always try to do. i think that's dangerous. it's so dangerous when the country is divided but, also, if you are going to talk about racial politics and the real threat right now, you have 60% of the hate crimes right now being against the jewish population in this country. but there is no mention of that. >> ainsley: lawrence, i think -- in the community at the diner
reporter. tom brada. what has been said? a colourful statement _ what has been said? a colourful statement to _ what has been said? a colourful statement to say _ what has been said? a colourful statement to say the _ what has been said? a colourful statement to say the reason - what has been said? a colourfulj statement to say the reason she what has been said? a colourful- statement to say the reason she does not hold back on on prime minister rishi sunak and i want to pick out a few lines, some of them are quite petty with her taking aim at his personal appearance for example, critically talking about his gleaming smile, his prada shoes, his suave suit all in unflattering terms of the undertone but quite specifically directing her criticism at the prime minister was my political prize and the next general election in the uk is due byjanuary 2025 and she is in the statement pretty pessimistic about the prospects for the conservative party and i should point out she does take and i should point out she does take a small swipe at labour leader secure starmer saying there is no affection for him on the doorstep but she is specifically aiming at rishi sunak and she says your actions have left some 200 and more of my mp colleagues to face and
dropped the crime rate and taken on gangs a lot like rudy giuliani used to do. taken on well known gains in atlanta they are more red herrings than anything and they have an undertone of the way that a lot of individuals deal with women in politics and a lot of individuals on another level deal with women in the law which you can speak to more and particularly black women. >> i want to give you a moment to respond to that, as a female attorney the way in which fani willis has been attacked. >> obviously, it's unfair and uncorrect. that argument doesn't make it. when you get in the courtroom, they will not be allowed to say anything about the prosecutor, what she should be doing instead of this case. all she gets to say is what is happening in this case. >> all right. scott jennings, scott jennings' attorney, jennifer rogers, john avlon, thanks. will arizona abbe the next
language, potential civil war to defend donald trump. we should not be surprised because that is what this guy does, but why aren't more republicans condemning it? it's hardly like this guy is a respected person from republicans in congress? >> i mean -- >> mitch mcconnell doesn't give that guy the time of day. >> navarro was a god fly, if anything in the economic and political spheres into donald trump raised him up and now he is talking about civil war in a way, as you point out, that has a threatening undertone. especially because, what we saw on january six, donald trump basically stoked that crowd that he had gathered there after trying to overturn the election and failing, turn them on mike pence, watch them crash into the capital. when people talk about war, when they talk about arming themselves, when you talk about a civil war in this country, in the shadow of what we just saw on january six a couple of
way, as you point out, that has a threatening undertone. especially because, what we saw on january six, donald trump basically stoked that crowd that he had gathered there after trying to overturn the election and failing, turn them on mike pence, watch them crash into the capital. when people talk about war, when they talk about arming themselves, when you talk about a civil war in this country, in the shadow of what we just saw on january six a couple of years ago, you have to pay attention. it is alarming that people who have been given positions of power were talking that way. >> alarming, katie. i want to share what former trump doj official richard donahue said about jack smith earlier. >> i don't think he is political, he is not left-wing, he is not an agent of the deep state, his politics would put him right-of-center, i believe. and he secured the first
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