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They do what garrisi saying, raising the wages, by the state tax rate and in the short return, that could help close a gap. in the long run, the jobs are going to states that arent like michigan, which would be wisconsin and other states. so it couldnt work for the state. michigan has to get on board with the people, i mean, through those that dont have unions. >> does it matter? union participation rates are going like this. >> you used my-- and you know, brenda, the measures have no place in t...