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committed to replacing obamacare the same day it is repealed? >> cnn newsroom starts now. hello again. thank you for joining me. i'm fredricka whitfield. we have distressing new video from inside that ft. lauderdale airport. showing when the gunman opens fire in the baggage area. this video is difficult to watch. it is crucial in understanding the context of this shooting. this is a freeze frame, now, of what appears to be security camera footage, obtained by tmz. the man in the blue shirt is believed to be accused gunman, esteban santiago. we will play the video one time throughout this hour. it is silent. and it is security footage. and it is disturbing. pay attention to the left side of your screen, where the man in the blue shirt enters the frame. he is due in court. he is facing serious charges. all of them eligible for the death penalty, fred. >> boris sanchez. at ft. lauderdale airport. i want to bring in matthew haras and paul shmek. good to see you. your reaction to the video? >> i think to understand it, we have to two back to november 1st, 2013, when a gunman walked into l.a.x. terminal three, opened fire, proceeded through the checkpoint and got into the sterile area of the airport, which is not a good situation, because there's so much access at that point. law enforcement took some time to get on the scene. what we can see from the video, is baggage claim area is typically a very safe area. people come and go. people in that area, are typically happy. they just got off a safe flight. family and friends are there to welcome them. there are also shuttle buses and things of that nature in this area. it's difficult because of that 2013 incident, law enforcement, from the tsa, and public reports, was really putting pressure on law enforcement to put their resources at the checkpoint. and i think it's a perfect example where a vulnerability was identified that police can't be everywhere. >> matthew, how do you evaluate what we've seen. >> we deal with the reality of the condition. he shows a disregard. there's no regard for humanity. clearly, mental health. but nonetheless, cold and calculating. >> but it's confusing, too, because we don't see what precedes the imagery we saw. just the first couple of frames blending in. just seem leg to be like everybody else. >> paul, what do you see in terms of the vulnerabilities, that may be magnified as a result of this? >> the tsa has 20 layers of aviation security. it's from canines to protection. there's two layers that come to mind when i review that cctv or surveillance footage. he was on a death march, really. and what we have to look at, there's two layers that come to mind when i think about this. there's the intelligence layer, what did we know before he came to the airport? and the no-fly list, much more in depth where you would prevent him from flying. intelligence has a ceiling on what they can do in terms of stopping individuals like that from flying. and i'm sure as the days roll out, we'll hear more about what was known before he embarked on an airport. >> earlier, i spoke with the broward county sheriff, this is how he sees precautions to be tragedy often times to promulgate change. hopefully we see hard-core change here. something to change. >> thank you, gentlemen. appreciate it. we're also learning more about esteban santiago's past. assault charges involving a girlfriend, hearing voices in his head. and asking for help. dan simon traveled to santiagoss town in anchorage to learn more about his past. >> reporter: his troubles began after serving time in iraq, relatives say. esteban santiago spent ten months in the war-torn country. his brother said the changes in him were apparent. >> translator: they had him hospitalized for four days. and then, they let him go. how are you going to let someone leave a psychological center after four days when he's saying he's hearing voices. that the cia is telling him to to shoot someone. >> reporter: despite the interaction with santiago, he was not placed on a no-fly list. >> there had been concerns raised why he was not placed on a no-fly list. i want to be clear, during our initial investigation, we found no ties to terrorism. he broke no laws when he came into our office, making disjointed comments about mind control. >> reporter: why would someone who is disturbed get his gun back? the u.s. attorney in alaska says there's no legal basis to prevent him from having it. a judge would have needed to declare him mentally defective to deny him his second amendment rights. we're learning new details about the victims in the ft. lauderdale airport. most were on vacation. michael oehme of council bluffs, iowa, was about to go on a cruise with his wife. e was killed when the shots rang out in the area. his wife was shot in the shoulder and is expected to recover. he leaves behind one adulter. olga woltering, was also about to go on the cruise with her husband, ralph. according to wxia. the couple is from marietta, georgia, and had planned the trip to celebrate her husband's 90th birthday. he was not injured in the shooting. the wolterings were married for 64 years. and terry andres was a shipyard employ, in ft. lauderdale on vacation with his wife. the couple was celebrating andres' upcoming 63rd birthday, a friend tells cnn. an trace and his wife had been married for 40 years. he leaves behind two daughters. three other people injured in the shooting are in critical condition. we'll be right back. this is your daughter. and she just got this. ooh boy. but, you've got hum. so you can set this. and if she drives like this, you can tell her to drive more like this. because you'll get this. you can even set boundaries for so if she should be here, but instead goes here, here, or here. you'll know. so don't worry, mom. because you put this, in here. hum by verizon. the technology designed to make your car smarter, safer and more connected. put some smarts in your car. sign up for free today. isjust wanna see ifa again? 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in addition to -- i should say, police have made nine arrests, as part of the investigation. five are family members of the attacker, as you said, was shot and killed at the scene. i'll walk you back through what happened. about 1:30 p.m. local time. right along the walkway a particular walkway, not only for security forces and soldiers, but for pedestrians and tourists because it as a beautiful view of old city of jerusalem. a number of soldiers had gotten off of the bus as a tour, and that's when the attack happened. the truck driver drove straight for a group of soldiers getting off of the bus. and then, it seems he reverses his truck and drives back over some of the soldiers there. the horrible outcome is that four were killed. three women and one man. and a number of others were injured, all in their 20s. benjamin netanyahu who visited the scene and said, what they know fromty a tacker, us was from a nearby neighborhood, that the attacker was a supporter of isis. we hear from the police spokes pen pern saying there was no isis cells in jerusalem. but it points to a lone wolf attack. and that is what security forces are trying to pinpoint and figure out how to prevent from now on. how do you stop this attack from happening again? it's a struggle for forces here and in yurm, in particular. that's the focus as they try to figure out, was there advance notice? could they have prevented this one to better prevent the next one? >> are authorities revealing anything more about why they believe he was a supporter of isis? what's the impetus for that statement? >> reporter: little information about that. it was a statement from netanyahu when he said he was a supporter of isis. it surprised us because you don't hear about isis in israel, jerusalem or the west bank. as police pointed out, isis doesn't have a foothold here. it's not something you hear about. israel has quietly cracked down on isis supporters. people spreading propaganda or trying to fight for isis in syria. but it's not a major terrorist organization here. they don't have a foothold. and it's not something you hear about very often. and that's why we need to keep in mind the police spokesperson, when he said this is not new rye sis terrorist cell. there are none of those. and it's critical as they try to prevent the next from happening. turning a truck into a weapon is something we saw in berlin and niece, as well. devastating effect in all three incidents. coming up, the gop vows to repeal obamacare. president barack obama says if they have a better alternative, he would support it. can republicans come up with a cheaper and more effective plan? cheaper and more effective plan? we'll discuss, next. i discovered a woman my family tree, named marianne gaspard. i became curious where in africa she was from. so i took the ancestry dna test to find out more about my african roots. ancestry really helped me fill in a lot of details. parenthood. president obama says if republicans have a better plan, he's for repealing and replacing it. >> it is true, theoretically, all of the progress can be undone and suddenly 20 million people are or more tonight have health insurance. but as i think republicans now are recognizing, that may not be what the american people, including everyone trump voters, are looking for. and my hope is that the president-elect, members of congress from both parties, look at where have we objectively made progress, where things are working better? don't undo things just because i did them. >> joining me now is tammy lubey. would it be able to take advantage of obamacare and take care of costs with a repeal? >> it will be difficult. health care is expensive for everyone. obamacare has provisions that are intertwined, aimed at reducing the costs of health care in general. but republicans want to change the plans and give tax credits. but it remains to be seen how generous they make the new plan. >> the approach of repeal first, replace later, could bleed the health care system that all of us depend on. quoting him. what would happen to the economy if republicans do repeal obamacare without a plan to replace it? obamacare sends money to insurers and states. and this trickles down to hospitals and other providers. that trickles down to hospital workers and vendors and other people. there was a recent study that said, if key provisions of obamacare were repealed, 3 million could lose jobs. state and local governments can lose billions in taxes. health care is an important engine in our country. >> what you're underscoring, it's not just the people on the plan. but a lot of people who would -- who are either directly or indirectly involved in the plan? >> yeah. a lot of people think that obama care is only for people on the exchanges or people who are getting coverage through medicate expansion. a lot of people don't realize it has many tentacles. it made some revisions to medicare. used to have the doughnut hole, where seniors had to pay for prescriptions. seniors will pay less for prescriptions. now, everyone can get prescription -- everyone can get contraceptives for free and mammograms on the employer plan. people on the job have benefits, if they have cancer or hit by a car, insurance is not going to set a limit as much it will pay for the care. it's quite wide ranging. >> tami, thank you very much. next, a top aide for donald trump speaks out about russia's hacking of the u.s. election and its impact on the vote. plus, the red carpet is rolled out and ready for the golden globe awards. a live report from hollywood coming up. your insurance company [vo] quickbooks introduces he teaches lessons to stanley... and that's kind of it right now. but rodney knew just what to do...he got quickbooks. it organizes all his accounts, so he knows where he stands in an instant. ahhh...that's a profit. which gave him the idea to spend a little cash on some brilliant marketing! ha, clever. wow, look at all these new students! way to grow, rodney! know where you stand instantly. visit quickbooks.com. election. she spoke to jake tapper this morning and would not criticize vladimir putin. even after president-elect trump received a briefing from top intelligence officials, outlining the case for russian hacking. >> as he been persuaded that they carried out cyber campaign against hillary clinton and what is he prepared to do about it? >> he makes clear that russia, china and others, have attempted to attack businesses and organizations and others over time. he mentions the democratic national committee. that's why we're having this conversation. i don't want any of your viewers to be misled thinking that the kremlin and the republican party -- that they had -- the kremlin was dealing with any of the hackers and bringing that information back to moscow and somehow that anybody who allegedly attempted to influence our elections actually did. if you read the full report, they make very clear. mr. clapper in his testimony made clear on thursday, under oath, that any attempt, any aspiration to influence our elections failed. they were not successful in doing that. it is a very important point. we are talking about this because we had embarrassing leaks from the dnc e-mails. there were no fireworks because there was no firewall. rnc, there was an attempted hack on the rnc. but they had the sufficient firewalls in place. cnn's own reporting showed that the fbi asked the dnc to have access to its information, to its server and to the information. and the dnc refused to turn that over, according to cnn's report. >> this highlights the fractious relationship between russia and the u.s. president-elect trump vows to change that. jill dougherty explains what that could mean. >> reporter: donald trump has been tweeting about improving the relationship between the united states and russia. and together, solving a lot of the big challenges, the big problems that the world encounters. that, of course, is music to vladimir putin's ears because he has been saying all along, he wants the u.s. and russia to work together on things like fighting terrorism. but when you get down to the specifics, that's where the rubber hits the road. and it becomes more difficult. after all, previous u.s. presidents had said much the same thing. here's one example. the iranian nuclear deal. the united states and russia helped to negotiate that agreement. and both countries support it. but donald trump does not. does that put him in opposition to vladimir putin? it would appear that it does. unless he changes his mind. these are some of the details that make that relationship much more complicated. essentially, vladimir putin has defined what he believes are the interests of russia. and donald trump will have to do the same. what he believes are the priorities and the best interest for the united states. the question will be, will those interests align? jill dougherty, moscow. >> thanks so much, jill. confirmation hearings for president-elect trump's cabinet pick, that begins this week. and also this week, trump holds his long-awaited press conference. we'll discuss, next. so i went onto ancestry, soon learned that one of our ancestors was eastern european. this is my ancestor who i didn't know about. i'm phil mickelson, pro golfer. my psoriatic arthritis caused joint pain. just like my moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis. and i was worried about joint damage. my doctor said joint pain from ra... can be a sign of existing joint damage... that could only get worse. he prescribed enbrel to help relieve pain and help stop further damage. enbrel may lower your ability to fight infections. serious, sometimes fatal, events including infections, tuberculosis, lymphoma, other cancers, nervous system and blood disorders, and allergic reactions have occurred. tell your doctor if you've been someplace where fungal infections are common or if you're prone to infections, have cuts or sores, have had hepatitis b, have been treated for... heart failure, or if you have persistent... fever, bruising, bleeding, or paleness. don't start enbrel if you have an infection like the flu. joint pain and damage... can go side by side. ask how enbrel can help relieve joint pain and help stop joint damage. enbrel, the number one rheumatologist-prescribed biologic. youthat's why you drink ensure. sidelined. with 9 grams of protein and 26 vitamins and minerals. for the strength and energy to get back to doing... ...what you love. ensure. always be you. all right. a red flag being raised about the schedule of the confirmation hearings of president-elect donald trump's cabinet picks. those hearings are set to start this week. but the independent office of government ethics said several nominees have not been properly vetted. that's causing concerns among top democrats who say the rush to confirm is, quote, unprecedented. joining me to discuss this and other aspects of the trump transition, is cnn contributor, sale sale salena zito. also with me, errol lewis, ooh commentator for spectrum news. good to see you, as well. salena, you first. chuck schumer has accused the transition team to colluding through these hearings. is there any evidence to back that up? >> not that i know of. in 2009, when president obama took office, i believe -- i think i'm correct on this, on the same day he was sworn in, the day of his inauguration, seven of his cabinet members were sworn in. mcconnell and everyone else didn't like that. there was some moving around. the process is swift and you know, went pretty well. president-elect trump has, i believe, eight that are up for confirmation process. part of the challenge with trump's picks are that they are outside of the washington, you know, sort of set. right? so, they're outsiders. they have more complicated finances. and you know, they have more complicated entanglements, financial entanglements. but i suspect at the end of the day, this is all of these nominees are probably going to go through. mainly because they have the votes. >> potentially nominees have potential conflicts. that's why some on the hill have concerns. we understand that, you know, there are some nominees who are in question in terms of whether all of the paperwork has been filed. there's conflicting reports about this, by the way. john kelly, for dhs, betsy roth for the information of the ethics office to move forward on the confirmation hearings? >> it's a process. it's not just filling out a piece of paper and disclosing it to the senate. the idea is to have a process where people learn things about their own finances, their own conflicts of interest that they might not have known before. famously, there are nominees that discovered they had a quote/unquote nanny problem. and it was only through the vetting process they realized that somebody they had been paying to work in their home had supplied them with a fake social security number. that's what happened to bernie carrick when he was nominated for homeland security. you have a process that's supposed to, according to mitch mcconnell himself, by the way, in the past. he said, you should not schedule the hearing until the information has been given to the office of government ethics, has been delivered to the senate and that the senators have had a chance to look through it. that's what the process is supposed to be about. not simply, you know, voting for them just because it's inauguration day. >> if that's true, according to the senate democratic source that some of the people have not filed the proper paperwork, then, salena, you know, how unusual would it be if the democrats were to do this or there were some movement to say, let's delay some of the hearings or confirmation for some of the candidates until after inauguration? >> right. well, you know, the republicans hair would catch on fire if that would happen. and it was a democratic cabinet nominee. the ethics office is saying one thing. the transition team is saying another the we'll find out on inauguration day. i do know they are really preparing a lot of these cabinet nominees for some intense, you know, grueling questions, on the hill. these are people that have never, ever had their lives peeled back in the way that they do in these senate confirmation hearings. i know they are getting prepared. but you know, we are dealing with a different kind of cabinet. and it's going to be, probably, a different kind of process. >> meantime, errol, there's been many delays. there was a mid-december late. and the latest date is wednesday. and it happens to be the second day of the confirmation hearings. will there be a conflict here? >> we'll see. you know, we're talking about five months now. this is almost clintonesque if you go back to the last real press conference. i hope it would be a true press conference or not a gaggle or swift questions followed by departure. we have to hope it is not intended as a distraction, a bait and switch, where something is thrown out to grab headlines, while the real action is on capitol hill, where the cabinet nominees are being questioned. the transition team, you know, to their credit, they've acknowledged they're doing more work faster than they planned to because they didn't think they were going to win on november 8th. now that they are sort of the team that has to kind of put together a government, they have a backlog of questions. and every day they refuse to answer questions or to hold a press conference, i think the backlog got bigger and bigger. i hope that the reporters get a chance to throw out questions during this press conference. do a good and efficient job of getting to the heart of many, many of the conflict of interest questions and others that have been brewing for five months. >> and questions about conflicts within his own family. having family members working for him with the business dealings, et cetera. and then, the tax returns. donald trump promising that after elected he would reveal those. so, i'm sure he will be pepper ld with a lot of questions along those lines from reporters. salena, errol, thank you very much. coming up, one of trump's national security picks facing questions over plagiarism. kay file broke this story. we have details, next. family road trip! fun! check engine. not fun! but, you've got hum. that's like driving with this guy. all you do is press this, and in plain english, "coolant", you'll know what's wrong. if you do need a mechanic, just press this. 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(1940s aqua music) (burke) and we covered it, february third, twenty-sixteen. . . seen a thing or two. ♪ we are farmers. bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum ♪ president-elect's cab me picks, monica crowley has been picked for the detector of national communications. in her book what the bleep just happened found dozens of examples of plagiarism. that is almost identical -- senior editor of cnn's k-file andrew kaczynski. how many of incidents are we talking about of plagiarism? >> this is 60 incidents of plagiarism. it includes wikipedia, a lot of times we saw monica crowley taking, basically wholesale this work of other columnists, changes words, changing the tenses from have to has. and even throwing on some of the same conclusions of these people in their columns just in slightly different words. >> how did you find this when her publishers did not? >> a lot of the cases that she said existed in the stimulus were very obviously copied. something interesting we found was this big listing of things that were very outrageous that existed in the stimulus package were not listed in the stimulus package at all. when we went look for where these came from, a podiatrist, of all people dating back to 2004. basically the first example about tattoo removal was an example of the stimulus and the other 20 were from this podiatrist's website. so some. >> so some of the inaccuracies were red flags, have you heard from the trump team about this? >> the trump transition standing by crowley, they have basically said our article is a politically motivated attack. they actually cited this body of work as part of the reason for why she was hired saying, you know, this was her manifesto for taking back america. the publisher has oddly not issued any statement or responded to any of our e mail ors phone calls requesting comment and crowley herself has not responded either. >> and then we have several instances of plagiarism, including melania trump's convention speech. >> basically we have melania, e were a lot of people that have written a lot of words, for all we know, there could be a lot of examples like reporters and people like us are going to be looking into. >> andrew kaczynski, thank you very much. for more on andrew's article about crowley's credibility you'll find on cnn.com. we're back in a moment. with lubriderm. absorbs in seconds. moisturizes for hours. lubriderm. every body care. a nutritious formula with no artificial flavors. made specifically for indoor cats. purina cat chow. nutrition to build better lives. why are you checking i want to see if it changed. credit scores don't change that much do they? 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>> reporter: every now and then you got to clean up for tv, right? so it is great out here, fred, thank you, because it rained yesterday here in los angeles, and it's supposed to rain tomorrow, so it's actually quite warm. but right now they're getting, everyone is preparing, people are looking around us, people are taking their pictures, because we can still stand on the red carpet right now until celebrities get here. people are lining up, the fans are in the stands, a lot of people are hoping to see their biggest stars, and i don't know how many of these movies and shows you have seen, this is the biggest party of the awards show because folks get to eat and drink while they are there, watching the show, while the program is going on, and also the golden globes looks to offer the best of television and film, so it looks to see the hollywood foreign press, they are saying are the shows of 2016, that's what makes this one a little bit different than the other ones, a lot are talking about two movies in particular, la la land, and the same story from the drama side is moonlight. it also has a lot of nominations so people waiting to see how they do and how maybe moonlight measures up to manchester by the sea, which a lot of people are talking about those performances as well. a lot of people are getting in place, looking around. hairstyles should be okay. >> it's all about the hair and yours looks fabulous, i love it. i have seen nothing, so all those movies you have mentioned, i know them by titles, but maybe afterwards. it's been a busy year. >> it's hard especially when you're working and have kids, it's hard to go. >> lots of fun, we'll be watching this evening. the next hour of the cnn newsroom, begins right now.

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trump got updates on the whole of government approach his administration is implementing to safeguard our nation's elections. the president has made it clear that his administration will not tolerate foreign interference in our elections from any nation state or other malicious actors. that kind of paper statement is a contrast to trump's actual words in helsinki where trump sided with the russian president over his own intelligence agencies on the question of whether russia interfered in the u.s. election. that was the press conference where putin brought back an idea these two leaders had apparently talked about, a joint u.s./russian cyber security group to investigate russian election meddling. sort of like having el chapo join up with the dea to fight drug trafficking. now this quite absurd plan to team up with the only country whose own agents have been charged for 2016 interference first came up you may remember all the way last summer when trump wrote that he and putin discussed forming an Rachel Maddow takes a look at the day's top political news stories. then they lied about trump's defense of the meeting, which he was choosing to offer even though he also claimed he didn't know anything about the meeting. now the question is whether trump lied about the worst possible thing, not what was discussed in it, not the pr afterward, but whether donald trump took actions or had intent about the meeting that could contribute to elements of a crime. and that's not a question posed by, say, a trump critic tonight or an investigator aggressively looking at these issues or posed by journalists, this is now the key question facing the white house courtesy of one of trump's longest serving, once most lawyer aides. a man who was with him before most of his current political staff, a man who documented and recorded their interactions, and that may be why these new reports tonight say that this once loyal team, these two teammates are now, quote, dead to each other, preparing to bury cohen is what the white house is leaking. michael cohen used to be a loyal trump friend who gave privileged advice. but cohen is learning trump's return on that loyalty all depends on the situation. trump isn't taking cohen's counsel anymore. it's a stand-off captured by some words of wisdom from a famous song jukebox joints that says it all depends, with friends like you, who needs friends? sometimes the best advice is no advice, especially when it's your advice. i turn now to former federal prosecutor joyce vance who has much experience here. i don't think there's any doubt that donald trump is not taking michael cohen's advice and counsel anymore. how do you view the significance of this rupture and the types of leaking and back biting that we're seeing tonight? >> this is potentially very significant, ari. you know prosecutors are hard wired to be cautious, so it's important to say that we haven't heard this story in cohen's own words yet. that will matter. it will also matter if he has any evidence, text messages or e-mails that were sent contemporaneously that back him up. we've heard there is no evidence of that nature. but this really is a bombshell, this idea that the president knew about this meeting before it happened and signed off on it places him squarely inside of collusion with russia. >> when this kind of information depose public, obviously prosecutors would rather they held it and no one else knew, so how do you interpret that? >> it's interesting. we don't know the source of these leaks. frankly, they don't make sense for mueller. certainly the leaks don't come from there. they don't make an awful lot of sense for cohen to be the leaker, because as you've pointed out, although it doesn't make it kpobl for him to cooperate with southern district of new york, prosecutors don't like to have their cases being carried out in the media. but it also doesn't make a lot of sense for the president to put this forward unless he knew this was coming inevitably and they believed it was so damaging that they had to somehow try to get ahead of the story. >> based on the idea that there's other people in the room, which was in the original cnn report, what do you make of the possibility that some or even all of those people have already told this information to special counsel or is there potentially an effort to get people's stories straight by talking about it in public? >> i think that's exactly the right question. we know, for instance, that mueller has already talked to hope hicks, who would have likely been in the room and would be a strong candidate to be there. trump junior has already testified up on the hill. so there has been a lot of opportunity for folks under oath to either tell the truth and perhaps already be unbeknownst to us cooperating with mueller or to have lied and subjected themselves to criminal charges, which could possibly be used against them now to get them to finally reveal the truth. >> a lot of this looks very bad circumstanti circumstantially. but i wonder what you make of what trump allies point to, that there was no speech given. that donald trump may have even shown some what our lawyers call rec wiz it intent but if he didn't get the goods to give the speech, then there wasn't an overt act. >> at this point we can spa speculate a lot of different directions about what happened but the reality is we don't know what happened in this meeting. we do know what it wasn't about. it wasn't a meeting that was exclusively about adoption. was it a successful meeting where the russians came in and offered trump something? we don't know that. was it a meeting where the russians came in and didn't make a full offer and it sort of ended on unfortunate terms and they all left? we don't know that either. but one of the strong possibilities here is that there was a conversation about some form of future collaboration and then we hear this incredibly awkward moment with trump on july 27th two years ago where he says, russia, if you're listening, here's the favor that you can do for me. come on and deliver hillary's e-mails. at the time it felt strange and awkward. now with everything that we've learned in the past few days, perhaps that's the truth of what went on in that meeting in trump tower, that there was a conversation about some form of future cooperation with the campaign and that it came to pass that evening. >> just to be clear, you're saying that there's multiple cover stories. cover story number one would be adoptions. cover story number two would be, oh, this dossier type material on clinton that wasn't any good or usable for the speech. but number three, the real action would be, hey, we can do things cyber if you flip the switch and he went on potentially under this theory of case to flip the switch in public. >> and the problem here is because there have been serial mistruths told about what happened in this meeting, we know that it has to have been something significant, something that people want to cover up, but we don't know exactly what it is. we do know what it isn't. >> it's fascinating when you put it like that. joyce vance, we always learn a lot from you. thank you so much for joining us tonight. >> thanks. nbc news national security reporter ken dilanian has been reporting on today's rather short white house meeting on election security. his story is on nbcnews.com. it's head lined the trump administration has no central strategy for election security, and no one's in charge. ken, thanks for joining me tonight. >> great to see you, ari, thanks for having me. >> your story digs in deeper than just what is blatantly awe bed this meeting and its -- odd about this meeting and its brevity. walk us through what officials are telling you. >> this is simply talking to folks and listening to cabinet officials talk in public about their efforts to combat foreign election interference. what they say, like, for example, the department of homeland security with peter alexander in aspen talked about things dhs is doing working with the states on election security, but then she said, you know what, that's not enough. we really need a whole of government strategy. what she didn't say is there isn't one, but that's what everybody you talk to about this has said. i was flabbergasted when the white house released a statement tonight that said that there has been such a strategy since donald trump took office. i haven't found anyone who's ever seen that strategy. i've talked to a lot of people who say no such strategy exists. what do i mean by that? look, the fbi is doing things. they have created a foreign influence task force and are trying to focus on this problem of the russians and others interfering in our politics. the russians are on social media as we speak manipulating american public opinion. the nsa, the national security agency, says they are stepping up their efforts in cyberspace. most of that is secret. what we don't have is anything that knits this together. we have no leadership from the oval office and this is the kind of issue that requires it because there are really hard problems like the russians playing on twitter and facebook. there may be required changes in law or public policy issues and when you don't have the executive branch leadership on this, you really lose the power of the full federal government. you don't have a strategy. you have different agencies trying to do what they can. and don't forget, some of these officials testified to congress, including chris wray, the fbi director, that they had never been asked by the president to tackle russian election interference so it's hard to know what the white house is talking about when they say they had a strategy from day one. >> you mentioned the companies. there's also the different states involved and we have a system that decentralizes our elections. something that didn't get a ton of attention was there was a proposal in the house to put $380 million into the state efforts to combat this led by democrats. that was defeated by republicans there. how much does this effort also require upgrading what states can handle when the mueller investigation has revealed how these country-backed efforts are going after individual states that may not have the cyber know-how right now? >> yeah, i mean every state official you talk to says they need more money, they need upgraded technology, they need more resources. but i actually think that while the sort of vulnerabilities of state election systems are troubling, when you think of the three ways the russians attacked the election, they did hack into -- they attempted to breach 21 states and got into 7. that may have been the least effective method that they used, though, ari. the most effective was they hacked the democratic national committee and hacked john podesta, they stole their e-mails and released them. the second most effective was their manipulation of public opinion on social media. it's hard to measure how much influence that had on the election and that's still going on. they may not touch a state election database this time around for their own reasons, but they are every day playing on social media. there's a website called hamilton 68 that measures some of it on twitter and they're trying to divide americans on race, on guns, on all sorts of issues. dan coats, the director of national intelligence, gave a speech the other day and said this is happening. they're interfering in our politics. what he didn't say is there's really nothing we're doing about it. we haven't deterred, we, the u.s. government, has not deterred this behavior at all. the attempted hack of claire mccaskill suggests the russians are not deterred from trying again to hack into political campaigns either, ari. >> it's a huge story. when we look at some of the footage that looks different over time and what we're learning about mccaskill, it's just scratching the surface and we're only 100 days out from the midterms. a lot going on. ken dilanian, thanks for being here on a friday night, i appreciate it. >> thanks a lot. it has been a big news day. we have a lot to get to, including what happens when you are less than truthful when you talk to the u.s. congress. someone quite close to this president may be about to find out. more on that in a minute. stay with us. -and we welcome back gary, who's already won three cars, two motorcycles, a boat, and an r.v. i would not want to pay that insurance bill. 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published this photo taken this morning at reagan national airport in washington, d.c., at gate 35x. you can see the welcome to dca sign there. on your left is special counsel bob mueller. he appears to be minding his own business and reading the paper. but that's not all. over there on the right is donald trump jr., plus the secret service agent who looks kind of annoyed, i think, that someone was attempting to capture this particular moment. you are looking at a prosecutor and a witness passing each other at random. today mueller's office which is notoriously tight ripped, they rarely respond to any question on the record. they put out this statement confirming that yes, that is him, waiting to board a flight. if it is accurate that the other person in the photo was donald trump jr., mr. mueller was not aware of him and had no interaction with him. which is a bit like a reporter asked mariah carey about j. lo and she said, i don't know her. it is perfectly logical that mueller may not have been aware that trump junior was standing right behind him, but he is very aware right now of trump junior's role in this trump tower meeting we've been covering, which michael cohen is now ready to say is a thing that trump junior lied about, how his dad approved it. that story first broke on cnn, nbc news now confirming it with a source. they are saying that trump knew and cohen said he will tell mueller if he can. which raises a concrete question everyone has been talking about. i touched on it briefly with joyce vance. why not privately tell mueller about it if you have this information. why leak it right now across the air waves? no one knows the answer to that at this moment. as for the legal implication, cohen is effectively accusing trump junior of a new crime because in september he told the senate judiciary committee that he did not alert his father to this meeting ahead of time. ditto for his reported comments to the house intelligence committee in december. so if this news about what michael cohen is willing to tell mueller is true, then it does obviously call donald trump jr.'s testimony into serious doubt. now, the leading democrats on the senate judiciary committee, feinstein and leahy, are already saying they want donald trump jr. back in for questioning. senator leahy wants to question him in public. that would be different, as well as under oath. adam schiff says he also wants trump junior back. he wants to extend an invite to michael cohen as well while they're at it. democrats do not control either of those committees, so you could look at those as kind of wishes, at least under the current organization until anything might change in a future election. over on the house intel committee, republicans have already closed out what they view as their russia probe months ago, done. so can democrats get any fresh answers from trump junior now? do they get another crack at that? or is this all a kind of a fan fiction showing how they would use their subpoena power, how they would run this investigation if something changes in the november midterms. for more i turn to congressman eric swalwell. he is of course a member of this house intelligence committee. congressman swalwell and other members of the committee met with donald trump jr. for several hours. first of all, thank you for making time for us tonight. i appreciate it. >> good evening, ari. >> good evening. when you look at this, if it's true that trump junior told his father about that, do you view that based on what you heard as a clear crime that he would commit before the house or is it more complicated? >> more complicated, but it's clearly a crime, and also a crime if michael cohen himself was not truthful with the house. look, what i've learned with donald trump, his family, his son-in-law, his lawyers, none of them have been straight with us about anything we've asked them, and they were inoculated by a house republican investigation that never pressed them to testify under subpoena, that never subpoenaed any of the records to check to see if any of those stories actually came out the way that they were telling us. >> how large is that group? you're an investigator here. you just said none of them. does that include hope hicks and other staff? >> hope hicks, for example, when she was pressed, she would refuse to answer questions and the republicans wouldn't subpoena them. when donald trump jr. was asked about questions about the june meeting he refused to answer and the republicans did not want to subpoena him to compel him so they didn't want to know. it was a take them at their word investigation, which i think we are now seeing was so irresponsible because we're learning more and more every day. i'm an optimist, though. i still believe in the goodness of people and it's never too late to do the right thing. if people at home tell their representatives at home this is wrong, we should show what happened and there's still an opportunity to reopen this investigation, we can still do that and i think people should tell their representatives on the intel committee they expect that. >> why do you think the trump tower meeting has proved so problematic for the trump team to get their stories straight? >> well, it's not about what donald trump did with that meeting. i think what is significant is what he did not do. if he knew that the meeting was to take place, he did not tell his son to cancel the meeting. he did not tell the fbi about the meeting. and if anything, he further encouraged and emboldened the russians to hack because he went out just about a month and a half after the meeting and said, russia, if you're listening, which is two years ago from today, as you pointed out, you would be rewarded for hacking hillary clinton's e-mails. so the green lights they sent by doing nothing or allowing his son to take the meeting. we also found in our investigation, ari, that donald trump and donald trump jr. talked every day by phone, in person, about the most minute details of the campaign. so it's just hard to believe that donald trump jr. would not have told his father about this meeting. it's actually stranger, if that is what occurred. >> and so finally, is this the blueprint for what you would do with subpoena power after the midterms, you would bear down on donald trump jr. and these other staff? and what do you say to people who would say that would be two more years of fixating on 2016 election events? >> our investigations should always be about the future. we look back to inform us as to how we can best protect our democracy from something like this happening again. i know mr. schiff has said and i agree with him that if bob mueller's investigation and the senate investigation are not able to produce, i think, reforms that are needed to protect the ballot box going forward, of course we'll do our duty and go back and look at what is unanswered. but if they do their job and bob mueller is able to tell the country what happened, i don't think we want to reopen that just for politics sake, ari. but it's also not too late for republicans to sign onto the bipartisan legislation i've written with elijah cummings that would have an independent commission. i think it's too charged to handle this in congress. we should put experts and elders an statespersons on this task and look at everything that happened, how we were so vulnerable, who worked with the russians and what reforms we can make so it never happens again. we did that after september 11th. that's a great model. we should take that opportunity to do that now. >> congressman eric swalwell, thank you again for your time tonight. still ahead, 35 potential witnesses, 18 criminal charges, 1 trump campaign chairman. more on that in a moment. stay with us. of nowhere. you do, too, but not in time. hey, no big deal. you've got a good record and liberty mutual won't hold a grudge by raising your rates over one mistake. you hear that, 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to be historic when you step back and realize that we are about to begin a trial of a campaign chairman, numero uno, for the sitting president of the united states over multiple felonies. that's what paul manafort faces when he begins his first trial in virginia next week. jury selection already under way. today we got something that is always key in these kind of cases, because it is like a treasure map, the witness list. 35 people. the prosecutors reserve the right to call to testify against manafort as the case unfolds. some of the names very much expected. rick gates, everyone knows that because he pled out and promised to testify against his former boss. he has pled guilty and agreed to cooperate with mueller. also on the list the five people who got specific immunity in exchange for testimony. their names we got because the court had to release them as part of the wrangling earlier this week. they all look like people who worked in financial services of some kind linked to manafort. and then confirming news first broken by buzzfeed last night that rachel was reporting on, the prosecution witness list includes bernie sanders chief strategist in 2016 tad devine. and that's because up through 2012 devine, like manafort, was doing international political consulting work in ukraine. he worked directly with manafort on the presidential effort for victor -- more or less the last argument that will be dealt with, adjudicated before manafort's trial is about that very work. how much evidence should the prosecution be allowed to present from manafort's time in ukraine? manafort's lawyers are basically saying, look, this is a trial about tax evasion and bank fraud and a bunch of material about the former leader of ukraine feels irrelevant and will potentially prejudice this jury against their client. that's their argument. and the prosecution counters, no. what manafort did in ukraine is directly relevant to this whole case in bringing it home. now, everyone may recall it was in the manafort indictment that you saw those millions of dollars in transactions that manafort is accused to have made for cars, fancy rugs, very fancy suits and hiring contractors to do landscaping on multiple homes. those transactions made by wire transfer, many of them from bank accounts over in cyprus. prosecutors say they'll prove manafort made those millions through his work in ukraine. wealthy oligarchs supporting his client, the pro-putin guy, transferring those millions to shell companies which then went to cyprus bank accounts that were effectively controlled by manafort which then fund out to all of those very noticeable luxury goods. who else is on this witness list released today? it appears to be the guy who sold paul manafort the expensive suits and the guy who sold manafort his mercedes-benz and a landscaper who worked on one of those very large, very expensive paul manafort second homes. there's been a lot of talk about bob mueller following the money, a phrase everyone remembers from watergate. what we're seeing through the witness list, which is a preview of the treasures that this prosecutor team wants to prove at trial, is they want to trace for the jury the entire story of manafort's money, from whatever he did to get it in ukraine to the individual vendors that he spent the money on to all of the ways he didn't, they say, legally fulfill his obligations to report foreign accounts and obviously pay taxes on the money as well as misleading banks that were loaning him more money. this trial, that trail, it begins next week. we turn now to josh gerstein, a white house political reporter who's been on the manafort case from the start. thank you for joining us tonight. >> great to be here. >> what do you see in the witness list? >> well, you hinted at some of this. this is going to be, if people can remember back this far, something like "lifestyles of the rich and famous." we're going to hear about the suits and the cars, hear from this fellow's landscaper and the sums of money, the amounts i think for an average juror are just going to be staggering. $8 $800,000 with one particular clothing boutique in new york, half a million dollars spent on landscaping of a home. that's not to buy a home, that's to landscape a home. and the prosecutors have photographs of the suits, photographs of the landscaping, and so forth. they're going to take this jury in this kind of a tour through manafort's luxury lifestyle and then show his tax returns and pose a question of how he could possibly afford that if what he was really making was however much he was reporting to the irs. >> why do they want to get into the complex stuff and the shell companies? there are, as you know, and i think as our viewers know, plenty of big cases that involve complex finances where prosecutors make a strategic choice to simplify for the jury. the list, the clues we're getting is they're going big and going in detail. they're not dumbing it down so to speak. >> they are under some pressure from the judge who has urged them to consolidate and shorten their case. when they said this might take three weeks instead of two weeks, the judge expressed his dissatisfaction with that and is trying to really urge them to narrow this down. they seem to be trying to show -- one of the charges or some of the charges in this case are that manafort had these foreign bank accounts that not just he used them to bring money into the u.s. without paying taxes on it but he never reported them at all and people are required to report those kinds of accounts when they have them overseas. so i think the foreign issue here and the foreign bank accounts does add an element of subterfuge and an element of intentionality here that makes this seem kind of exotic and somewhat beyond the pale. maybe there are other people who shave paying their taxes here or there, but they may not have dozens and dozens of overseas bank accounts that are essentially funding their lavish lifestyle. >> right. and it allows prosecutors under your analysis to say, look, this was a really deliberate, deceptive thing, not just a proverbial corner cutting. you mentioned the judge wanted to speed it up. rachel has reported on what that means down there on the so-called rocket docket, although this one could take a while. we'll be watching it with you and probably calling on you again, josh gerstein, thank you for being here. >> my pleasure, ari, any time. it has been a busy week, a lot's happened, but something that should have been resolved last night actually is a very live issue right now. that's next. stay with us. my priority has been to listen to you... to cities and communities, and to my own employees. i've seen a lot of good. we've changed the way people get around. we've provided new opportunities. but moving forward, it's time to move in a new direction. and i want you to know just how excited i am, to write uber's next chapter, with you. one of our 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this toddler that was separated in a texas facility. for many people it's been hard to watch this as another story and we've seen some really remarkable things, like moms who posted bail for a migrant mother and a relay team drove her to new york where her three kids were being held. it has been something of a communal effort from people around the nation to do whatever could be done by citizens to help bring some families back together. then there are, of course, the larger legal fights. last month a federal judge in san diego ordering the government to return thousands of these children to their families, giving the trump administration a firm deadline. that's 3:00 a.m. eastern this morning. now, if it seemed chaotic and improvised when the government tore those families apart, putting them back together has seemed often also very chaotic. wednesday night there was a local reporter for telemundo who walked into part of it happening in new york city. >> all of a sudden there's about 11 to 12 vans outside of the facility. i asked them why are they here. they all came out holding some manila envelopes. i asked them if they were going to move the children, and nobody is responding. >> then hours later the governor of new york told reporters those vans ended up shuttling more than a dozen kids around all night because there was confusion about which of the children were eligible to return to their parents. the governor said clearly this is gross incompetence and purposeful chaos. the federal judge in san diego, california, held a hearing a few hours ago. now that the deadline for the administration to reunite 2,500 families has passed, the trump administration dividing these kids in the custody and the rules here within two categories, eligible for reunification and, quote, not eligible. now, the children that they call eligible, the administration says it has gotten all 1,820 of them either back to families or what they, the government is calling appropriately discharged by this deadline. msnbc had a reporter in this courtroom today telling us the trump administration now says 650 children are, quote, not eligible to go back to their parents, which is of course what this whole thing is about. now, those families remain apart right now and they'll continue that situation until, well, the government is not saying. for many of those families, the parents have been deported. so the allegation now is that some of those parents agreed to deportation without knowing they were leaving their kids behind. in today's hearing, an aclu attorney said this was torturous to have a parent thinking i gave away my child because i was confused and made a mistake. the aclu is the group that made this case. it's not finished working on this issue of reuniting families, whether they're called ineligible or not. i'm joined now by cecilia wong, deputy legal director of aclu which brought this case to court. thank you for joining us. what is the most important part of the work that remains? >> well, ari, thank you for having me on. the important thing that remains in the case is that there are many hundreds of parents who still have had their kids ripped away from them and not yet returned by the u.s. government. the government walked into court today and claimed that it's been working as hard as it can to reunite these families, but the truth is that there are two major groups of parents we're very concerned about. the first, as you mentioned, is that there are about as far as we know 400 parents who have been deported from the united states without a chance to reunite with their kids. and those parents we need to know and get in touch with them and have them identified by the government so that we can find out did they make a knowing waiver of their right to be reunited with their kids before they were sent back to their home countries, possibly back into harm's way. the second group of families that we're very concerned about -- >> let me ask you about that and then we'll go to the second. for anyone listening just straight up, why would any normal parent agree to that if they understood it? >> well, there are many of these parents, ari, who may have been deported without having been given notice that there's a court order that permits them to be reunited with their kids. a lot of these parents who ending up with deportation orders are going to be put to a very difficult choice, a choice that could have long-lasting, lifelong impacts on their family, and they a chance to sit down with their children as a family with legal counsel to make a decision. if i'm going to be deported, should i take my kids with me or do i have a family member here in the united states who i can leave my child with if the child' goeng to be returned into harm's way and these families, we believe, did not have a chance to get legal counsel. to sit down as family and to make these kinds of potentially life or death decisions. that's what we're seeking from the court. the ability for families to be reunited. whether or not the families have been b deported and have seven days as a family consult with attorneys. even in cases where parents has made the awful choice to be returned but leave hair child here, to explain to their kids why they're doing that. for the kids own good. >> it's important work and clearly, something that has forced a a little bit more transparency on what has been according to many experts, a total mess. deputy director for the legal program at the aclu, thank you for being here tochbnight. >> thank you. >> we have more tonight including a real life piece of news, it came right from the onion, that's next. stay with us. when your blanket's freshness fades before the binge-watching begins... that's when you know, it's half-washed. next time, add downy fabric conditioner for freshness that lasts through next week's finale. downy and it's done. essential for the cactus, but maybe not for people with 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about bringing the u.s. russia relationship back the to normal. >> after the summit, the official white house transcript didn't have the part of the question, which meant that in the official government record, it was no mention that putin expressley said in front of everyone he wanted trump to win and that omission was first flaggeded the day after the summit by ari at the atlantic. rachel said this week the white house transcript and video of the event both had that part missing. you can see her point. in general, you want to have a real record of what happens between two world leaders, especially the u.s. president started saying the russians want democrats to win the next election, not him at all. so all the more important that the actual truth get nailed down for a real record and a real transcript in real history reflecting that putin did say for whatever his reasons is, he wanted trump to win. and then yesterday, ten days after all this, the white house

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we have seen such a shocking response from the republican party is because they are legitimately shaken by the 34 felony counts. how do you interpret what is an unprecedented, spoken out loud plot to break the law in service of a partisan agenda? >> i think that is absolutely right. i think this roar we are seeing from republicans, this furious anger over the conviction, is an expression of the fact that they are more than aware that it is not good for your party's standard bearer to be a convicted felon. it is not good and to go through the polling so far, it is not good when consistently majorities of americans are saying that seems about right. it seems about right that donald trump is guilty of fraud and the conviction was the right choice. honestly it is somewhat surprising among the public about the justice of this ruling and i will note that you

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the judge could decide to say, hey, house arrest, or even jail. >> i'm okay with it. i saw one of my lawyers the other day on television saying, oh, no, don't do that -- you don't beg for anything, just the way it is. >> just the way it is, convicted felon donald trump talking about one possibility if he were to get jail time. we are joined now by former u.s. attorney for the southern district, david kelly. also, full disclosure, my former boss, and emily bazelon. david, we just watched how this news broke. unprecedented, a rarity, what's also been rare is that more people than usual have been challenging, at least in the republican party, honoring the verdict. you've done this kind of work, is that unusual? does it matter that people in positions of leadership respect the outcome of juries? >> i think it's one of the

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american history -- >> we really do need a new word for unprecedented. >> former president trump vows to appeal his historic guilty conviction. >> a presidential candidate found guilty on 34 counts is clearly unlike anything we've ever seen. >> trump's conviction is a first. the clean sweep guilty on all 34 counts an especially strong vindication of the new york d.a.'s case. and sit one that all news viewers and citizens and people around the world are actually hearing and absorbing as one fact. people can have different reactions to this legal fact, but unlike so many other civic and political feuds that deinvolve into competing claims almost from the start, there's only one legal outcome here, an outcome that is sinking in, no matter what one's views of the defendant are, and no matter where you get your information from, your phone or the internet or newspapers or tv news where may 30, 2024 played out with the

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all their accusations that he can't respond to that. the additional issue of disco this is a guy running for office and whether you like it or not a lot of people view these as political prosecutions. is he for britain from placing them in that context and talking about the motivations of some of the people working with prosecutors? we will see how far the judge takes it but it is a serious question and a little unprecedented. paul: of the witness in particular, the prosecution witness, donald trump's former fixer who was on msnbc all the time calling donald trump a liar and the judge says trump can't say anything about:. >> gag orders are fairly common or not unheard of, but this is so broad and trump is not trying to win the case in court, he thinks manhattan is 87% voting for biden last

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