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Transcripts for MSNBC All In With Chris Hayes 20240604 00:40:00

Vote no, whatever, this is bad, we do not like the deal. the problem for trump is that no one else is supposed to have the influence and power that he has over the house caucus. we just saw last weekend, he comes out and says, can paxson s my guy and if you vote to impeach ken paxton, you are crossing me and trump, and ken paxton gets his behind impeach. that big majority of texas house republicans. it does seem to me like they are aware enough to know that it s a bad look if he comes out and tries to kill the deal, and it s still gets overwhelming republican majority. it says something about his strength. what do you think? i think that trump doesn t care. he doesn t really care about governing, right? no, of course he doesn t care! right, he doesn t care. i don t think any of them care. i don t think the based cares, i don t think any of them cares. true, but particularly donald trump. he doesn t like that governing thing where you actually have to be a president and to do

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Transcripts for MSNBC All In With Chris Hayes 20240604 00:42:00

Went around, was much closely tied to, like, austerity, spending cuts, big government, all this stuff. i think it s just been blown up. like, there s still this steele pretense about it, david jolly. but it s like, no one even can remember the that they care that much about, it partly because trump just exposed it as manifestly ludicrous. yeah, look, the republican party today is largely opposed to ideological parties, so you see these fits and starts of maybe traditional conservatism now populism, but really none of it matters. donald trump ushered in a transactional form of the republican politics, where winning is everything. ideology means very little. and so, put yourself in kevin mccarthy s shoes, he needs the best joe biden. he s got to beat joe biden. and in donald trump s shoes, you know chris, i think you re exposing a very interesting facet of republicanism right now. donald trump really doesn t own elected republicans like he once did. they are the ones that pushback and

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Transcripts for MSNBC All In With Chris Hayes 20240604 00:39:00

Hope yes, or if you re a national candidate to say, oh, is a terrible deal, right? because that s where the conservative heartbeat is and that s where the party is. what i find fascinating, chris, is this really pinches kevin mccarthy. someone who already is kind of not believable in his own spin. kind of a caricature of himself, if you will, trying to convince republicans this is the biggest cut in american history. that is garbage and conservatives know that. this will take the dirt from 30 trillion to 48 trillion, but kevin mccarthy is trying to declare it a conservative victory. and it is a hard political loss for kevin mccarthy to joe biden. and so, the presidential candidates know that, the house freedom caucus knows that. most republicans know that. but you have enough republicans in responsible democrats who realize the alternative to voting this down is a full default of the u.s. credit, and that simply is something we cannot endure. tara, here s my theory on the silence of

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Transcripts for MSNBC All In With Chris Hayes 20240604 00:24:00

Essentially, unilateral control of to classify and declassify, as he sees fit, as he holds that article two authority. now, trump s contention is like, he had some mystical process, whereby if you move the documents somewhere, it was automatically declassified and all this stuff. none of that is really matters, whether it s true or not, for some of the charges they may charge him. but it seems important to state in relevance, if you ve got him on tape, essentially, copying that that is not the case. i think it s really important and it s really the sort of thing, chris, that undercuts the defense. i think that s what s really important. i ve tried a lot of criminal cases, one of the big choices that the defense has to make is whether or not the defendant will take the stand. i think this really puts the defense in a tough spot. what is trump going to say? come on, you cannot put that guy on the stand, obviously we, ronaldo. well, maybe, but i think that would have to be the def

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Transcripts for MSNBC All In With Chris Hayes 20240604 00:44:00

And they can solve it behind one person. i know that one person actually would be, let s be honest. it s definitely not rhonda status we ve already seen as a glass political chain, his role that is been a disaster, i called him doug santas, that rollout was terrible. he s only trying to get his sea legs now, up against trump, let s be honest here, he does not have what it takes. and then when people start to examine ron desantis s policies, you want to scale up florida? i don t think so. given the racism, the massage any, the bigotry there. so i just say, chris christie can jump in the race all he wants to commit political kamikaze, suicide like he did last time in 2016. but i don t know where his path is, in a poll recently, he was the only candidate of negative favorable. the only one underwater. by a lot. good luck, chris christie. there s a lot of one percenters there, although, again. the future is unwritten, lord knows what happens around the bend. i remember doing shows in jan

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