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Criminal act come up during this process -- >> how rare is that to get? >> its hard to get. it depends on how much the person knows and how big is the target, who is the target, how long have they been trying to take down this target. one of the things thats really important here to explain is that you do not get immunity if you have not done something wrong. okay? so i think its important. so far were talking about allen weisselberg getting immunity as well as david pecker from the "national en...