if you look the irs organization versus the day the ig report, we have new commissioner, deputy services and enforcement, commissioner for tax-exempt government entities. that is new leadership but who has been held accountable? well i think the leaders that were replaced certainly i think the fact they re no longer holding positions of public trust, that is part of the accountability. so so resignation is accountability, is that what you re telling the american people? lois lerner being on administrative leave is accountability? is lois lerner still being paid today. she is. martha: she is. there you have it. mark everson joins me now. he served as irs commissioner from 2003 to 2007. he is from alliant group. thank you for being back here today. thank you, martha. martha: what do you make of that? is that satisfactory? and how would you handle it this happened on your watch? well, the whole, event is really a sad story, martha.