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>> what about pence himself, a lost talk that he has interest in running for president, does that fit into his decision-making here do you think? >> i dont know that it does. the governor, i think, is fairly described as an ideo log. it does fit his world view. >> all right. jim shella a political reporter. thanks for the time this morning. really appreciate it. and let me bring the nanl here. lets talk about this one. guys, as i said in the interview there, i feel like this just sort of snuck u...