that it was. we wanted to document and understand the scope of the problem. so that we could report it accurately. josh, i m trying to figure out, when you re saying document the extent of the problem, does that mean you wanted to go through everything that hillary clinton had, you wanted to see if she had anything you had? no. what i mean is that we could see that we could see there was a problem in the security and so we wanted to create a record on their system without taking any data for our own purposes. but if this was traceable and trackable, you were making copies of her voter lists, weren t you? i guess you could phrase it that way but we never the systems were always in the vote builder van system, the vote builder dnc system, it was all