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as a result, nothing hams. people don t talk to one another. you see gridlock that breeds cynicism in the people of this country. so my hope is that we get through this redistricting cycle in a better place than we had in 2011 and that going forward we ll put in place these independent measures to draw the lines, that we ll have greater transparency, greater voter involvement in this process. if we do that, if we come up with ways in which we draw the lines in a fair way all across the country, it will incentivize people to focus on general elections and that will mean there will be greater interaction between members of both parties. general, michael steele here. to follow up on that, you have the work you re doing with the redistricting committee, and i know that work very well as i was involved heavily as state chairman suing on the maps that were being drawn in maryland at the time and working through the process.
want to flip the district. but that s a tough goal, that s a long term goal for 2018. we ve seen different sentiments in each one, immigration, obamacare. this is about voter involvement. here are a couple of examples of voters talking to their congress men. we have in the white house a notorious white nationalist as a special adviser to the president of the united states. i would like to know your thoughts on that. first of all, i don t speak for the president. we would like to know how you feel about it. you re our congresswoman. would you have to acknowledge we have too damn many people on food stamps in kentucky. these coal jobs are not coming out and now these people don t have the insurance they need because they re poor. if you can answer any of that, i ll sit down and shut up like
becoming more and more important with the rise of super pacs and dark money. they have on cater to these people. even more so than they ever had to in the past. new numbers i am hearing, there is more money coming in. somebody runs for the u.s. senate. they ll get more money in that campaign from super pacs than from dialing for dollars. they. in other words, the money they raise in $2,700 allotments. it is lower when they add it up. so the big money guys have more clout than all the little people. they can give $2,700 a year. until there is a scandal that blows up the system i don t think you ll get the voter involvement. they would push their lawmakers to change things. the gyrocopter guy drew more attention to terrorism than did he to campaign finance. and then before that all the money was in peel s rain coats. no control. and the lobbying scandals.
into his contact with two fugitive bankers. while many campaign finance laws try to limit spending and approach rejected by the supreme court s famous citizens united decision, there is another way. many states are now reforming politics by adding spending with public funding. more people get a chance to run in competitive races, and candidates spend less time fund-raising with millionaire donors, and grassroots involve many. the next guest calls this subsidizing democracy. michael miller is a political science professor and former strategist with several congressional campaigns. welcome. how are you? thank you. thanks for having me. you bet. you document here that there are many benefits to public funding. i think one of the most dramatic may be how these kind of races get more voters involved and in several states you show the public funding led to 20%, 30% spikes in voter involvement in local races. so can you explain to us how
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