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this can make in a person's life and the economy as a whole. >> that's right. this is a perfect example of what i write about in the book. it's student loan cancellation is something that warren sanders and alexandria ocasio-cortez have all pushed. joe biden has taken up and mainstreamed that idea. to respond to points, i would point out further that in the idea of mainstreaming this stuff, we're used to covering the democratic party as though there's an antagonistic split between the left and the right. there really isn't anymore. the joe biden has gone a long way in unifying the two branches of the party. i think it's telling that neither warren nor sanders, nor alexandria ocasio-cortez, who will be eligible to run for president in 2024 if she wanted to, have decided to challenge him. instead, they are behind his candidate us is. that shows the extnt to which these ideas have come together under the democratic tent.
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>> josh, you mentioned the three characters in your book, warren, sanders, aoc. and in fact, it's president biden. the populist idea outside of fox news, perhaps, generally pretty moderate in politics. >> yeah. >> this book explores sort of a urn it towards economic populism. biden's populist turn an unexpected quota to a long career first established him as a business-friendly democrat. although always crafted his political persona arod his ue collar upbringing. biden resting the corporate haven of dellway teasingly once known at the senator fro corporate america. bite the time he became president fincial crisis of 2008, backlash delivering trump to the white house led biden to alter his approh in a way paradoxic many seeming to people with older vintage of him. what was behind that shift? was it really just those
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conversation that i think is needed to be had. when you deal with the three people that he focused on, sanders and senator warren and ocasio-cortez, i've worked with all of them. they should be given credit for being marginalized and mainstreaming issue as. i think joe biden began to see as the vice president, under president obama trying to make affordable health care look like a socialist program. some of these issues were not as radical as projected. he worked them. i think these issues that were seen as marginal became mainstream. same thing happened in other areas'si remember the '90s. we marched on joe biden, bill clinton around social justice issues, police brutality, putting people in jail with mandatory sentences. he's now become the president that gave us the george floyd
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