department. officer hodges, one of the four more former police officers who testified today said, most of the officers use the term terrorists. they talk about domestic terrorist, they held up the domestic road to back it up. they were making a distinction between somebody who interferes in a hearing, and what these folks were doing. yeah, this is a really interesting legal distinction. there s not really a wall that makes it domestic terrorism. on the back in, you can say you can get a terrorism and hand spent. you can classify something as an act of terrorism. there s not one law that says it makes it an act of terrorism and makes it illegal. their statues that apply these instances. gunning down people in a mob is not one of them. that s not something that would normally be classified as a domestic terrorism incident. if you look clear years back, dylan ruth, that wasn t
theorists. a year later, seems that people are moving in your direction. what has taken so long as has time been wasted. certainly times been wasted. i think eventually the truth comes out. look, do you know how many hearings the democrats have held on this subject? none. zero. for a year. we ve seen facebook and other social media where they would censor anyone who suggested this. they would cut that conversation off completely. and as you said, people just considered this a conspiracy theory and it s nuts that they would take that aapproach. why in the world would someone not be interested in looking at this? the evidence on it was really clear, it wasn t classified. it wasn t something that only a few people knew. we know that china denied access. we know that they went in and they destroyed their samples of the covid virus. why in the world would they do that unless they were trying to hide something and then they insisted on rewriting the report from the w.h.o. the evidence is c
house? i think it s something that the house should look at. this president s pursuit of his political rivals, regardless of whether they pose any challenge or threat to this country. in fact, trying to rewrite the laws after the fact, to try to classify information that wasn t classified at the time, to be able to pursue and perhaps chill those who have been critical of the president. his rallies where they demand to lock her up, or in the case of women of color elected to the u.s. house of representatives, to send her back, this is something that might have made sense in another time, in another country, in a dictatorship, not in this democracy, not in the united states of america. so, yes, this is a very real challenge to this country. and you know that what the president is doing when it comes to secretary clinton and those around him, what the president is trying to do with former vice president biden is to distract from president trump s crimes,
now. reporter: total panic is what one person close to the administration is describing what s happening inside. there s always an aspect of crisis response where how do you get the right message. it s always difficult for a white house to triangulate and say the right thing, but more difficult now. carolyn, you re also talking about people who know about how these national security pieces of the puzzle move around and it seems this morning that one of the big focuses is on why this key information, this call transcript, information about this call was moved into a separate computer system, a more secretive one. you talked about ben rhodes, former intelligence official in the obama administration who said the only reason you use a classification to limit who sees a transcript is if the conversation is classified. we know from the transcript that the conversation between president trump and the ukrainian president wasn t classified, so he says the only reason to restrict access is t
classified information. he found that comey did not leak classified information? that s right, that s what they found. they found that within the memos that did ultimately wind up in the press leaked to the new york times, there was no classified information. the memos themselves at some point, after the fbi takes a look at these memos, again, after it gets out there, they then start taking a look at this, the fbi does. they said, you know what, there are some things in here that are classified. some of the wording, some of the sentencing. it wasn t that all of it was classified, but there were parts of it that were classified. so what they did was, as we ve seen them do in other cases, they went back, they looked at it and said, well, now we re going to classify. so at the time that comey had these memos, certainly the ones some of the information that got out there, that wasn t classified at the time. but then the fbi went back and they took a look at it. okay, we re going to c