mike pence was harassed by donald trump in full view. we want mike to do the right thing. members of congress were threatened in full view. we like some more than others. violence was encouraged by mike flynn and rudy giuliani, who talked about combat. i wonder, with so much in full view, where you think the fervor comes from to keep secret their conversations with donald trump? well, that s a great point, right? the real danger here is not that we don t know what happened. it s that we know what happened, and there s no outrage or that the other side simply tries to pass it off as normal behavior. that wasn t true in watergate, by the way. i think richard nixon knew that when his conversations were revealed, the gig was up. he bought into the basic moral framework. here, the president has always denied it. you are right, we already have