well, kind this of before. that we spend an enormous amount of time coming up with creative ways to either raise the debt ceiling, come up with a trillion dollars coin for the federal reserve, have a backstop to raise the debt ceiling but never address what got us to these gymnastics in the first place. why don t we? usually the reason that we don t is because that would solve problems but we also don t because the same people who keep making money because of the debt ceiling being upward when you have got to borrow money somebody is earning money. somebody is making money. and it certainly is not those individuals at the bottom of the barrel. neil: the reason why we are in the peckle we ar pickle we s