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majorities of the vote, joining me now ben wangler chair of that democratic party, then there has been a lot of celebrating this week in democratic circles, liberal circles about not just fending off a red wave but saving democracy in america, a lot of elections deniers got defeated, and i worry that it is a rightful focusing on election deniers, we forget about gerrymandering which is another piece of this puzzle, andrew wisconsin seems to be ground zero for it. >> it really, deeply, profoundly is and by some measures, wisconsin is the most gerrymandered state in the united states of america. and the reality is that we had one or two wheels off to the side of the cliff, and were able to swerve barely away from the cliffside, if republicans had gotten super majorities in both chambers of our state legislature, they could've renewed election laws to ensure that is the republican candidate for governor here said, they never lose another election in wisconsin. but we managed to stop them by
the first time since 1982. they have the trifecta now in michigan, under fair, independent maps. these weren't gerrymandered maps by the democrats, this is let's run out of fair map and see who went to the democrats run. it's also threw a petition about initiative the last time around, that got this independent, redistricting committee. is that for wisconsin ago out down that world? >> i wish it were, under wisconsin's constitution a bill has the pass, a constitutional amendment has to pass through two successive sessions of the state legislator before it goes in front of voters, so there is no path to direct democracy here, to fix the maps, and governor evers proposed creating a referendum process. and of course our gerrymandered legislatures struck in the town. they gaveled, in gaveled out of the session in less than a minute. so the one path, it's like the avengers movies when there's only one path to defeat that knows. the one path is to win the majority on our state supreme court, strike down the gerrymandered maps. i should say, if anyone wants to support them, they can go to with them thought or it slash donate, and we would be