polish his image and avoid indictment, i guess, but being firm, he s been firm all along on this, and i think going into the presidential campaign, the obama administration can help him. happy that he s reviving the aspects of the bush years most folks would like to put behind them. speaking of that, nbc news jamie gangel had an exclusive interview with vice president cheney. here she asks him about torture. let s have a listen. in your view, westill be zyuzin enhanced interrogation? no regrets? no regrets. should we still be waterboarding terror suspects? i would strongly support using it again is if circumstances arose where we had a high-value detainee and that was the only way we could get him to talk. even though so many people d condemned it, people call it torture, you think it should