revealing anything privileged tomorrow or wednesday. and then spicer was deflecting on russia's role by arguing that maybe election interference is more of an issue for hillary clinton than vladimir putin. >> why aren't we talking about the influence -- other influences on the election? why aren't we talking about hillary clinton getting debate questions ahead of time? that's a valid attempt to influence an election. >> spicer is citing an e-mail there that showed a democratic operative on cnn appear to share debate questions in advance with clinton, an e-mail revealed by the underlying russian hack. now trump's aides would apparently prefer to take shots at hillary clinton than address the foreign policy dilemmas they're facing right now. it's easy to see why. it's pretty easy to blame your competitor for everything. that is, of course, what 2016 was a about. but 2016s over. this is 2017. it's not a test. it's about to get much more difficult for donald trump. joining me now former cia
operations officer and a 2016 independent presidential candidate, evan mcmullen. what do you think of what we're seeing here and this bizarre inability to deal with what might be negative information about srussia separate from wha you do about it by the trump administration incoming? >> well, i think we have to ask ourselves, the entire country, why is donald trump and his team working so hard to protect russia in the situation? it's clear russia worked to undermine our democracy, to influence our election. the intel community came out unanimously in october and said this is what russia is doing. but you don't need to be an intelligence officer to know that. russia is doing the same thing here in our country it's done in europe and is still doing in europe and germany, for example. that is funding groups like white supremacist groups, white nationalist groups, using internet trolls that they employ in russia, supporting their
skeptical that's true. i think it's not true. >> you have a nice way of saying he's full of bs. what do you think your former colleagues in the intelligence agencies are thinking when donald trump seems to use every time this issue arises to sort of get into their biggest embarrassment on iraq and sort of cast doubt about the entire integrity or the competence of the entire operation. >> of course they're unhappy about that, but i think that speaks to a much deeper source of tension between the intelligence community and donald trump. that is that donald trump wants to align our country, his administration, with the very country that is attacking our democracy, the intelligence community and the national security community in general warned against him, warned against this policy approach during the election, and that's not going to change. there's a very deep source of tension there. but donald trump continues to
it. and so he denies it, says we should move on. and ultimately he says because there's no other way i've got information that you don't have. but i'm not going to tell you for a few days. so what happens? then we in the media talk about it for a few days, repeating his claim to know things that no one else does, half of america believes it. half of us don't. but to his audience, they believe it. and we've carried that message in the media. so he has won, a on playing us by doing this. we have to call him out when he knows what other people don't know allegedly, we have to ask where did that information come from. >> you said half of america, we have to fact check that, i believe 46%. evan mcmullin, thank you for joining us. up next former u.s. ambassador to russia. first, mr. ambassador, your response to what i was just discussing with evan and your view of where intelligence and
diplomacy meet here. >> well, intelligence is a major part of diplomacy, a major part of our developing a foreign policy. in a few weeks president trump is going to be working with these very people that he's saying very distrustful things about. i want to remind your viewers that the vast majority of the people that work in the intelligence community are not political appointees. they're professionals that will be there january 20th working for president trump. >> mr. ambassador, when we look at the sanctions that are currently being deployed against russia, when trump comes in, do they just continue automatically? what does it take for him to change them? >> yes, they do continue. it will be incumbent on him to be proactive to change them. if he chooses to do so. and in doing so i think he'll have to explain to the american people and to his own a
administration -- i want to keep emphasizing that -- these people will be working for him come january 20th, why he is reversing it. maybe there will be an argument. i look forward to the new intelligence he allegedly has. maybe there's some reason for it but right now i think that would be a very difficult thing for him to do without explaining his actions. >> you mentioned the intelligence he claims to have. what would he have? either he has something that is from the intelligence community and we spend about $17 billion a year trying to get the best possible, or he has it from some other nonpublic source, would that be a russian source, or what other source would there be for special intel that is not within the cache of what they already have within our 17 agencies? >> you know, to be honest, i have no idea. i hear that. it disappoints me. i wish he would spend a little more time learning about our intelligence and learning -- do
a deep dive in counter espionage and maybe understand these things better. maybe he has some source from somebody who provided wikileaks with the data. that's a conspiracy floating out there on twitter and facebook, but i guess we'll just have to wait until tuesday to find out. >> what do you think about his wider habit here of saying we don't know, quote/unquote, things we as a government or a country do know? why is that so important to him and does it remind you of anything you've seen abroad in the way some leaders sometimes seem to prefer the conspiracy theories of the street to what's actually knowable? >> well, he's denying it because he worries it affects the legitimacy of his election. of course if more people believed that the russians influenced our election, that would delegitimate his electoral
victory. he's been elected. the electoral college has spoken. everybody is preparing for him to be sworn in. i think it actually would help him to put this behind us if he acknowledged the facts. i think we need a bipartisan independent commission so we get all the facts and all the facts, by the way, of how the obama administration handled this intelligence challenge during the election. and so that it could be wrapped up. everybody knows the facts. and then we get on with doing the things we need to do to prepare for the next election cycle. the russians have tremendous capability. it will be better in 2020. other actors will have capabilities in 2020. not pretending we weren't attacked. >> right. the other big nuclear story here is north korea as an aspirational power. here is what donald trump wrote on twitter. north korea just stated it's in the final stages of developing a nuclear weapon capable of reaching parts of the u.s.
it won't happen! end quote. how does that declare tiff statement compare to the actual bipartisan process over two administrations to have some kind of constraint of their ambition? >> i work here at stanford with george schultz, the former secretary of state for ronald reagan, and he always talks about never make a threat unless you're ready to deliver on it. and what troubles me about that tweet is he's now made a declaratory statement about policy. i don't know if he's done the homework to know he could implement the threat he's just put out. >> wow. well put and thank you for your time, a.m. bmbassador michael m. as always, appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. still ahead, donald trump it continuing to conduct business as usual. his private resort selling hundreds of thousands of dollars in tickets this weekend. that was for the new year's eve party with the president-elect. we'll explain what's wrong with that after the break. grid every day.
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throughout the bush years vice president dick cheney was repeatedly accused of conflicts of interest over halliburton oil which got lucrative contracts in iraq. imagine if cheney had not stepped down from his job as hal burton ceo before taking office. it would have been technically legal. they are not formally required to commit a day job. that has many people literally long i longing for dick cheney's method. donald trump is not even stepping back from business activities that would literally be really easy to skip. take a look at this weekend, for example, when trump headlined the new year's eve party at his
mar-a-lago resort. this is not just his raycation home. this is a business. it charges $100,000 for annual membership fees -- excuse me, a one-time membership and another $14,000 in annual dues. hard to keep track of because it's so expensive. some of the value comes from selling tickets to the big events like new year's eve festivities. tickets for the mar-a-lago party started at $500. a spokesman told reporters the event was sold out, 800 attendees. those tickets alone would land somewhere north of $400,000 in revenue for mar-a-lago. there is something abnormal here many people want to normalize. that $400,000 trump banked in one night is the amount the
president earns in a year. it's not chump change. it's real money. as trump tweets and tries to distract his way through this transition, it's the money he's making in this basic situation, m mixing his roles as president-elect and as head of a private company, at the very least he risks the appearance of mixing government work meant to be in the public interest with his family business. now according to reports attendees at the new year's eve party included quincy jones, actor sylvester stallone, and fabio. who needs no introduction. did any foreign government officials buy their way into the party or any lobbyists? we just don't know because this was a private event on private property. the most secret event the president can even attend. if the money were going to the rnc instead of the trump organization, every attendee's name would be public under federal law. if this were even a white house reception it would be public under federal law. we do know trump's business partner from dubai attended the
party. cell phone video showed trump giving him a shoutout during his speech and a spokesman for the transition said they had no formal meetings or professional discussions. their interactions were social. that may be true. there may have been only one business partner in attendance. or it may not be true. as long as donald trump keeps spending time generating revenue for his companies, he will continue raising questions and conflicts that could cast a cloud over his presidency and, more importantly, over the independence of his administration. for more, i'm joined by the chief investigative reporter for politico who has been on the story, ken vogel. ken, the money here. why does it matter if the president-elect is at this event generating this revenue? >> well, it certainly creates the appearance, ari, that what he is doing is essentially selling access to himself. sure, this club mar-a-lago has
had these types of events before at major holidays, on new year's, on christmas, on thanksgiving. what it hasn't had is a featured guest who, by the way, is the president-elect of the united states of america. so the way that they explain this is just business as usual. this is the way mar-a-lago conducts business. and forget about the money that trump receives from this. and would have received whether he was president-elect or not. the specter he is essentially allowing anyone who has the money to either buy a member ship or the access to someone who has a membership who can pay for a ticket to something like this creates the appearance of forget about the possible business partners who were in there or the celebrities. it's the people who want to get access to trump . it's an amazing deal for any potential business person. or a person who wants to do business with the united states government, special interests, lobbyists. you could just imagine going
down t lhe line for those this would be an amazing deal. >> look at the contrast here. he ran a campaign saying because he has money and a business he won't be beholden to these interests. that was a big selling point for him. a lot of people believed it, naively or not. he will fundraise less. and there's a truth to that. but that truth seems to be dwarfed by what was on display this weekend which is the business actually makes him more beholden than campaign money and, as we've been saying, is less traceable, less transparent. >> and it's also much trick iie for him to extricate himself or there to be transparency around. let's say given the benefit of the doubt and saying he goes to the extreme end of divestiture, he's still going to vacation at mar-a-lago, even if he has mar-a-lago in a blind trust or he doesn't really know whether his businesses or portfolio includes mar-a-lago he knows someone is paying money to this entity that is so closely associated with him that may or
may not be in his portfolio, that may or may not be in the blind trust that his kids may or may not oversee and here they are sitting on the couch or the patio with the president of the united states. it's a complicated situation. can't easily extricate himself from it. >> let's stipulate that's what people who care about good governance, ethics reformers, journalists and people who think about these issues, that's what they're concerned about. let's put that to the side then and then look at the actual trump team's response. what are we learning about where they're at? this is a guy who said he was going to hold a big announcement to clean this up. things were going to change. the kids would be in charge. said all this stuff. when you looked at his actions, not the announcements, the announcements he never game, hey, what's the matter? this is just business as usual. does that tell you there's something wrong if they think business as usual is okay when he's the president-elect? >> i mean, it's a little bit of a sign of where their head is at
as they try to grapple with this incredibly complicated situation where they try to put to rest these concerns about conflicts of interest and try to find a sustainable system going forward for separating himself from his business. in a way i cannot for the life of me figure out how it can be done in a way that will satisfy sort of the good government concerns that i think are validly being raised in this and other situations. >> and complexity has become a little bit of a dodge for them. there are parts that are complex, in other words you can't just legally force someone into having a fire sale, right, and potentially costing them a lot of money. that's not typically how a disillusion would work. that is actually complex. what's not complex is making the decision to not sell yourself for $500 access and tickets. that's not complex. that's simple. if you want ed ed to skip the p, you could skip the party. if you wanted to donate the funds that new year's to charity you could donate the funds. there's a million simple ways to
do that. they chose none of those and counterattacked and told people, hey, don't be mad. it's business as usual. that's my final thought. ken vogel, i appreciate you giving us yours. >> it's not just the excuse that this is the way it's always been done. they went further in our story where we reveal the tickets were sold for members. >> ken, thank you very much for your time and happy to hear your last thought while we look at the eagle. no better image. coming up, we showed you the clip, and maybe you noticed guy holding the eagle statue. if you're wondering what it's about we have the answer. anything meant to stand needs a stable foundation.
we're going to get rid of obamacare. >> that footage of president-elect donald trump's new year's eve party at mar-a-lago, who was the enthusiastic person to his right and what is the deal with that eagle statue being held by another gentleman to trump 's left and don't they have something they could put this thing on so that poor guy doesn't have to just cradle it the whole time? when someone is giving a stump speech, you don't know how long. courtesy after facebook post from hospitality sciences is, the man at the right is joseph, the president of the american academy of hospitality sciences and the eagle is bronze, a bronze eagle awarded by the academy. and there is more. trump has been honored before by this same academy and its president. he was the presumptive republican nominee and the hospitality academy gave an
award to trump's scottish golf course as the best golf course worldwide. which prompted this yahoo! news headline. quote, how a convicted felon nicknamed joey no socks covered him in stars. the article explained trump has received many similar awards from that same man including five and six-star ratings from trump properties. the organization is run by joseph cinque, a long time trump aquantance who goes by the nickname joey no socks and has a conviction for stolen property. perhaps this eagle was far more cooperative than this eagle, you may remember, from that "time" magazine shoot in 2015. it's a live eagle. what do you expect? look at him go. america. up next, david kay johnson is here on the president-elect and his evolving relationship with corporate welfare. know how to ct anything. even a rodent ride-along.
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sprint was bringing back to the u.s. are new. they are not. they are part of a holistic deal announced by soft bank. american corporations are now facing pressure to go along with donald trump's jobs claims. "the new york times" slamming it in an editorial, why corporations are helping donald trump lie about jobs. the piece explains why it's so messy for the government through president-elect trump in this manner. quote, it's easy to see were soft bank and sprint might want to help mr. trump take credit for creating jobs. soft bank's chief executive wants the department of justices antitrust and the federal communications commission to allow a merger between sprint and t-mobile. mr. son see as deal between himself and trump with people who sided with large communications companies and regulatory debates and argued against tough antitrust enforcement. "the times" explains why this
should be croney capitalism with devastating consequences. pull iitzer prize winning journi have had david cay johnson. i'd like to start by just walking through how this works. it appears that donald trump will have some private communication with a company and then he will take the lead and the announcement separately, whether that's to the public or to shareholders would be some formal business announcement. explain how it works. >> this is a con job. plain and simple, ari, this is a con job and the numbers we're talking about are inconsequential. in the terms of sprint, the wealthiest man in japan has had a plan in place for some time and he is going to want something from donald trump.
he tried to merge sprint with t-mobile and the justice department said no for antitrust reasons. you can agree or disagree with that but he wants to do that and other actions in the future. he's buttering up donald trump. another variation we're seeing with people manipulating trump as we've seen with vladimir putin. if you're the ceo of a big company you're going to do everything you can to let donald trump take credit because you don't want him to use his enormous powers. you essentially have a duty to kiss the president's ring. >> when you say fiduciary duty you are referring to the legal obligation these corporate executives have to maximize profits to shareholders. >> their legal duty is to the company but to the shareholders. they're not going to do anything
to put in jeopardy their position, the company's position, and donald trump is in a position to extract from these people things that may or may not be good judgment. ari, i'm old enough to remember when republicans thought business should make its own governments. wait a minute, that was six months ago. >> you used the word extraction. at a certain point the outlines of what you're describing sound like a shakedown but instead of getting something very valuable for the country it's pr valuable for donald trump. >> absolutely. these are in donald trumpian terms small potatoes. we're about to get the announcement on jobs. it will probably show 82 consecutive months of jobs growth, the old record was 52. we're close to 16 million private sector jobs under this
administration. very few americans know that but everybody has heard about the 730 jobs that trump inflated to 1,1000 hiohio and very few peop know that was a deal that violated trump's own position in the campaign when he said corporate welfare, interest-free loans and other tax favors didn't create jobs, now he's the champion of them. donald is an absolute corporate chameleon and whatever makes trump look good no matter what it costs companies, companies better line up and pay attention. >> corporate camillians. say that ten times fast. david cay hnston, thank you for joining us. who are they targeting coming up. and tonight's thing 1 and thing 2 starts right after this break. ,
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thing 1 tonight. 36 years ago in tempe, arizona, bruce springsteen made what are believed to be his first publicly recorded comments about politics. now it was november 5th, 1980. in other words, one day after ronald reagan was elected president. >> i don't know what you think about happened last night, but i think it's pretty frightening. there will be a lot of people depending on you coming up. >> now decades later springsteen would become an advocate for president obama campaigning both in 2008 and 2012, and he campaigned for hillary clinton this year. but if he was frightened by reagan's election all the way back in 1980, how is the boss feeling about donald trump's victory? those brand-new comments thing 2 in 60 seconds.
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position of such responsibility. >> and what's your biggest fear of it as we enter it? >> i suppose would be that a lot of the worst things and the worst aspects of what he appealed to comes to fruition. when you let that genie out of the bottle -- bigotry, racism -- when you let those things out of the bottle -- >> intolerance. >> intolerance. they don't go back in the bottle that easily, if they go back in at all. >> right. >> whether it's a rise in hate crimes, people feeling they have license to speak and behave in ways that previously were considered un-american and are un-american. that's what he's appealing to. kellogg's special k...
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it's no secret donald trump didn't get along that well with paul ryan or mitch mcconnell back during the election. a new report from "the new york post" has some fresh ideas into just how deep that divide could remain. "the post" reporting president-elect trump told senate minority leader chuck schumer he actually likes him, a democrat, more than mcconnell and ryan because the two republican leaders, quote, wanted him to lose. "the post" cites a source close to them for the quote. democrats don't dispute the quote. schumer and trump are both born and raised new yorkers. trump's even donated to schumer's campaign in the past. that's about as far as it goes. "the washington post" report says that senate democrats led by schumer are planning to contest at least eight of trump's nominees and want to stretch their confirmation hearings all the way into march. those eight targeted nominees include exxon ceo rex tillerson for secretary of state as well as senator jeff sessions, trump 's controversial pick for
attorney general. those two battles in early skirmishes already under way. reportedly saying they're outraged tillerson will not release his full tax returns from the last three years as many cabinet nominees do though not always the secretary of state nominee. now democrats on the senate judiciary committee as well as progressive groups are accusing senator sessions of omitting decades worth of his career from the information he did provide pursuant to the confirmation hearings. given the fact republicans control the senate, how much can senate democrats really do to stifle the nominations to the trump cabinet and what does the opposition look like in both houses of congress once trump takes office? i will ask some very special guests about that. boost
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federal judge. he is i belve a disgrace to the justice department and he should withdraw his nomination and resign his position. >> that was the late senator ted kennedy speaking during the 1986 hearing for jeff sessions, this one a nominee for federal judgeship. sessions was ultimately denied that position by the senate judiciary committee, a 10-8 vote. senate democrats are now looking to block up to eight of donald trump's nominees, senator sessions widely considered one of the most controversial. joining me tonight is sarah florez, a spokesperson for jeff session, howard dean, former chair of the dnc, and christina greer, associate professor of political science at fordham. welcome, everyone. christina, the sessions nomination is controversial. it also as a matter of the historical record is unusual because he is the only nominee who has been previously basically passed on by the senate for a different position.
your thoughts on him this time? >> keep in mind, his own colleagues and his own members of his party deemed him to be too racist in reagan's 1980s. and so when you have someone like the late senator ted kennedy essentially saying he's not only an embarrassment to the professional and he should not be elevated to attorney general or to even a judge, the writings of senator sessions are so deplorable, it's not just about black americans in this country. it's about how he feels about the history but also the future of this country. so the fact that donald trump, in the 21st century, in 2016, chose this particular individual to me and to many others, black and white and other, sends a very distinct message about the dog bark, not even a dog whistle, but a dog bark he's trying to send about his racial platform. senator sessions is a horrible
choice for this particular tion, especily as an attorney general who is supposed to uphold some of the most important ideals of the constitution. >> sarah, what is your response and how does the senator address that history from the first confirmation hearing? >> well, i mean, i think it's pretty clear that the lefteist playbook at this point is smear. i didn't hear a lot of facts. 30 years ago, the democrats practiced their playbook they would use against bork. we now have a verb for it, borking someone, that means smearing them without any basis. the person who was a witness for jeff sessions under oath later had to recant his testimony because the conversations he remembered were disprovable later. this idea that ted kennedy somehow in his statement should hold now, ted kennedy worked with jeff sessions, passed
legislation with jeff sessions, so did dick durbin. we'll have had senators, democrats and republicans, who have worked with jeff sessions, 20 years in the senate. democrats are going to do what they're going to do, say what they're always going to say. it didn't work in 2016 for hillary clinton. it's not going to work now. jeff sessions will uphold the rule of law, something our previous attorney generals under this administration have been sorely lacking. by the way, jeff sessions voted to confirm eric holder. >> senator sessions in 30 years made a good choice in upholding eric holder, but this is straight out of the republican playbook. donald trump is pulling out a bunch of has-beens and never-wanever-wa never-wases. we know these people believe in
segregationist tactics. >> where are the facts? excuse me, that is a lie. no facts. >> if we read, we know that this particular individual has gone out of his way, the majority of his career, to make sure that black americans specifically are disenfranchised. >> that's not true. >> sarah, you can respond, then governor dean is waiting for his turn. >> i don't know how to respond when there's no facts there. no, he hasn't. >> governor dean? >> there are some facts there in terms of the quotes that you can actually get that jeff sessions has actually said. i'm more interested in the process here. if manchin has said that he's going to support sessions, then you need four republican -- four -- excuse me, four republican votes against him. and this is -- they've targeted eight, the democrats in the senate have targeted eight people. they're going to have to get at least three republican vote in
this case four. and the way to do that is to target the senators, the republican senators who have to run for reelection in 2018. and you're not going to get all of these eight. so i don't want to make any predictions about which ones you are going to get, but you're going to have to show to a significant number of these senators' constituents there's going to be a penalty for voting for some of the people they want to target. i think they will get one or two but i don't think they'll get all eight of them. senator, what do you think about rex tillerson who seems to be the one where there is so much controversy and questions about russia and he has some links there that the trump folks argue is positive, because he's been a businessman in the region, other folks question his impartiality. >> i know very little about rex tillerson so i don't have a particular comment about whether he should be the secretary of state or not. there will be an incredibly thorough vetting of these vocation, there always is, no
matter which side is doing the vetting. the senate is badly divided, it didn't used to be a body like the house but it is now. i can't predict what's going to happen. somebody is going to find something or they won't find something in rex tillerson's resume that is going to be condemning. if he doesn't give documents like his full tax returns, that's going to be a problem. again, the only way to stop the confirmations of any of these folks is to find a constituency in the state of some senator, some republican senator. >> sarah, i have 20 seconds for each of you. >> nobody watching the show right now thinks the democrats actually will stop these confirmations. this is about delay. this is about playing politics with this. and nobody believes that if hillary clinton had won this election, that the democrats would be trying to delay these confirmations until march. i don't know why, i don't think it will help them in 2018. i think republicans will win more seats. >> if hillary clinton had won, she would nominate people who were legitimate and didn't seek to dismantle the very offices
saying, oh, no, never mind that, you're fired. >> to be clear to the viewers, we don't have the reporting confirmed that you're sharing with us. but that's obviously something we're trying to get information, answers to the white house, the justice department not commenting specifically on this firing. but let's talk a little bit more about bharara, his role here in new york, and really when it comes to litigation on such a large scale that impacts the country. he was not necessarily in just a routine post. >> so he gets called in the southern district of new york, called the sovereign district of new york. because it's a huge orbit. rudy giuliani was there. comey from the fbi. bhrara is looking at the mayor of new york city, has this ongoing corruption probe. he's about to try two of andrew cuomo's closest confidantes. and looking at things international in scope.
really big and interesting. in addition to the fox thing i mentioned, significantly. he has an investigation -- excuse me, he arrested a turkish man, who's a friend of the president there. and is charging him with evading the iran sanctions. effectively. which in a complicated scheme that's really big and interesting, and plays into some of the other probes around this president. the big outstanding question everyone is asking is, what is the fbi looking into, involving this administration, potentially, and additionally, there are questions about whether or not they're also looking at rudy giuliani who, again, is at the same firm as the rumored replacement is the front-runner for that, because of giuliani talking on
television prior to the election about what his fbi friends were telling him about investigations involving the clintons and others. which is information they're not conveying. >> there are so many layers to this. >> oh, man. >> but to play devil's advocate, could you just look at this and say that he was simply a victim of a broad brush stroke, that donald trump decided to clean house so that he could just appoint all his own people? >> almost. so the two people whose resignations they didn't accept is the temporary deputy attorney general, and his nominee to be the permanent deputy attorney general. and with the attorney general having now recused those people not so incidentally would be leading in i russian probe in the justice department. you could say this is part of a sweep if they hadn't told bharara that he was staying. what changed and why. they did this with the
ambassador, trump did, back in january. he said no finishing your kids' school year, no finding your replacements, none of that stuff. they seem to like chaos and surprise and corruption maybe in a reality tv style. maybe in a silicon valley disruption style. there are concerns about the deep state and enemies within and all that stuff. i think tactically, they think this sort of chaos works to their benefit. i'm very skeptical, again, they have no replacements for any of these u.s. attorneys. the people they just told to get out today, that their deputies and right hands are going to be running the justice department. >> and picking up the pieces where the investigations left off. thank you for the information and reporting. we're continuing to learn more about this situation. it's a developing breaking news story. let's turn to now a person who is very familiar with bharara who is also familiar with the justice department's inner workings, someone who has led this department.
roberto gonzalez is joining me by phone. we really appreciate your time, mr. gonzalez. i know you were appointed by and served under president george w. bush. and while working for then senator charles schumer when you were in the justice department. bharara also was in the probe in eight u.s. attorneys, part of a controversy that is said to have ultimately played a key role in the resignation of the then attorney general roberto gonzalez, yourself. given that history, what's your response to these developments today? >> well, [ inaudible ]. obviously those were all investigated. i was cleared of any wrongdoing, because in reality, you know, the president of the united states has the power with
respect to hiring and firing of the u.s. attorneys. they serve at his pleasure. if donald trump no longer has any pleasure of continued service, then meet it out. it really is arrogant for an employee to leave, when told by the president that their services are no longer required. everyone understands that you serve at the pleasure of the president, no matter how wonderful, how valuable your work has been. if the president wants to make a change, he has the right to do so. obviously change is at the beginning of an administration. they're very consistent with past practice. and every president, every u.s. attorney general wants to have his field generals and the u.s. attorneys onboard. some of your viewers may be concerned that these removals might in any way jeopardize ongoing investigations. that is really just not the way
that the department is set up. you've got career prosecutors that are very much involved in all of these very complex investigations, and prosecutions. those will continue. even though you may not have an appointed head at the particular field offices. there are career individuals who been there many, many years. they have experience, good judgment. those investigations will continue, irrespective of the removal of the confirmed u.s. attorney head. >> gotcha. now, i understand it is fairly common for a president to come in and appoint his own people. however, the fact that this was done with virtually zero notice has caught some experts in the field offguard. does that piece surprise you, for one? and two, the fact that bharara had been told by the president that he should keep his job and asked to stay on and go before the cameras and even talk about the discussion in which he was asked to stay on, now he's been fired? what do you think is the reason
for that? >> well, i can't speak to what president trump and preet, what conversations they had in the past. the president can change his mind for whatever reason. he has virtually unlimited authority to make a change if he wants to. it could be that perhaps jeff sessions wanted to have a change. if they want to make a change, that will have an important factor in making the change. they ultimately do work for the attorney general of the united states. so listen, i can't speak to whether or not there were any promises or assurances made. but even if there were, nothing would prevent a president from changing his mind if he felt that was in the best interests of the administration of justice. >> would there be any reason that this change of mind has to do with actual investigations that bharara was involved with? >> i'm certainly not aware that
that might be the reason. but as i indicated, i believe if that was the motivation for the removal, i think that would be one of concern. and that perhaps should be looked at. i want to, again, reassure your viewers that even if that were the case, that would not submarine or in any way jeopardize an ongoing investigation. a career individual is there, in that office, they would continue the investigation. and they would make sure that if there was wrongdoing that had occurred, that there would be a prosecution. so it's -- even without a confirmed head leading a particular office, you're still going to have investigations. you're still going to have prosecutions that move forward. that's not jeopardized by the removal of the confirmed u.s. attorney. >> let me ask you in response to this statement put out by senator patrick leahy, where he writes that the removal of something like bharara has now called into question the
independence of the justice department. according to this statement. do you see it that way? >> i do not. senator leahy has been as much involved in the plit tiization of the removal of u.s. attorneys as schumer has. there is no basis to make that statement. again, without even knowing who's going to be the next u.s. attorney in that position. and how that office is going to function going forward. i tha that's a premature statement. >> alberto gonzales, thank you for joining us tonight. i appreciate it. former adviser to four u.s. presidents, david, you've worked in the white house. completely normal as we've been discussing for a new president to come in and want a new team of u.s. attorneys. but the way this was handled has given a lot of people pause. >> it should. it should. there's no question.
there are a couple of things that are different. one is, when in the past when there's been sort of mass firings, as in the case of president clinton, individuals -- attorneys general in various parts of the country were given extra time to stay on to complete investigations to make sure there was no disruption in the work of the offices. and they sort of had leftover time, instead of the hatchet coming down, the guillotine goes down on all of you overnight. the other thing that's different is the context in which this is taking place. we have a president, a white house and a team with a lot of conservatives, who believe that the obama holdover throughout the government had become saboteurs. that they are undermining his presidency. the anger level has built. there's been a lot of pressure on the white house to clean out those obama holdovers. this is, i think, going to be
part of a broader sweep that we're going to see. with all due respect to attorney general gonzales, he's right that the president absolutely has the authority and is often exercising it to remove people. but there is a -- you know, if -- it's just -- i don't think it's right to say you're going to get the same outcome in the investigations as you would if a new person comes in. it's not going to make any difference in the outcomes. if it doesn't make any difference in the outcomes, the president wouldn't be firing these people. the white house believes if you put in new people, you'll have an attorney general that will be more favorably inclined toward them. that's human nature. and i think we all -- the context is how we ought to see this. >> we're just getting this into our newsroom here, some new information, a source apparently close to president trump telling my colleague, jake tapper, that then president-elect trump told bharara wanted to keep him on as
a gesture to democratic leader schumer. but now obviously it swung the other way. what do you make of that? >> well, that sounds like a lot about politics, doesn't it. because the relationship between senator schumer and the president has deteriorated. they've been calling each other names over the last few weeks. i don't think -- i think both of them are now really -- have a very disdain for the other. but why does that mean that bharara ought to be the victim of that disagreement? having asked him to stay on, is it a political gesture to schumer or did he think he was doing productive work. it does lead to questions, your previous guest raised some interesting questions. we'll just have to see. like so many things in the trump administration, when you do things quickly, and this looks like they're flipping a finger at the obama people once again.
you know, it raises questions -- >> but when you talk about that, when you bring that up, one thought that crossed my mind is, it almost seemed like bharara at one point kind of egged him on to say, i'm not going to resign. if you want me to leave, fire me. >> yep. well, i think bharar wanted to bring it to the surface. he's clearly pretty ticked off. the result is the same. but i think he feels, i'm walking out with my head up. i'm not resigning. you have to fire me. and shame on you. i think that's his attitude. >> how would you advise the president to handle this moving forward? >> well, i think the advice you would give would have been given earlier. and that is, as was the ambassadors, i think he has every right to replace people like this. and as we feared the u.s. attorney general in new york, you live by the sword, you die
by the sword. that's the name of the game. so he has every right. but i think i would have advised him, mr. president, i think you would have been better off if you hadn't brought the swift sword down on people. it has a harshness about it that is going to, i think stir up the press. the siegel type questions that we had, it raises questions among their -- you know, out in the political community, what's underneath all of this. is there something phony about this? there's just so much -- every time one of these stories comes up, you have to ask, why is this happening, why couldn't this be done in a smoother, more professional way? >> that question of why is what we've been asking all afternoon, since he was fired. >> right. >> but we're hearing crickets from the white house and justice department. would it be in their best interests to come forward with at least a statement to say, this is why he specifically was now asked to -- or was fired, i
guess, let's just put it bluntly, even after he had been asked to stay on? >> i think the statement really ought to come from the attorney general. mr. sessions, or attorney general sessions did sign off and asked him to stay. he called him during the transition. he's the one who asked people to leave their offices. i think this is something, if you're at the white house now, put it on the justice department to explain what's going on. >> david gergen, thank you, as always. >> anna, thank you. up next, a shocking white house security breach, and the bizarre new details on the intruder who made it all the way to the entrance to the president's residence. you're live in the "cnn newsroom." "how to win at business." step one: point decisively with the arm of your glasses. abracadabra. the stage is yours. step two: choose la quinta. the only hotel where you can redeem loyalty points for a free night-instantly and win at business.
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the president was inside the white house at the time. >> secret service did a fantastic job last night. i appreciate it. the secret service did a fantastic job. it was a troubled person. the secret service was fantastic. >> cnn's athena jones is at the white house. athena, who is this man? what happened when he appeared before the judge today? >> reporter: his name is jonathan tran. he's 26 years old. he's from california. he did make a court appearance today. we're told he will be arraigned in federal court on monday. but at today's court appearance, we're getting a lot of information from the criminal complaint and sworn statement. he's been charged with entering or remaining in restricted grounds while using or carrying a dangerous weapon. this complaint, the sworn statement from the arresting officer that said in the backpack that tran was carrying, he had two cans of mace.
that's interesting, because earlier in the day we were told that backpack had been examined and no hazardous materials were found. in the end we're learning he was caring mace. there are more details from the sworn statement. we know this happened at 11:38 p.m. last night. tran was seen by this arresting officer walking from the east side of the south grounds of the white house complex. he was walking close to an exterior wall of the white house mansion. so he was very, very close to the residence. he was approaching the south portico entrance to the white house mansion, that's on the opposite side of the door that's right behind me. he was wearing a hooded sweater, or a jacket and was carrying that backpack i mentioned. we also know from this arresting officer that at one point tran hid behind a white house pillar before proceeding towards that south portico entrance. now, this is all after the suspect jumped over a fence near
the treasury department which is next to the white house, and over a barrier on the -- separating the south lawn from the narrow road next to it. but yes, this is interesting to see he came very, very close to the residence. he did not make it inside. but he was still only a couple of hundred feed from the president's bedroom. also in that backpack, besides the two cans of mace was a united states passport, an apple laptop computer, a book by president trump, and a letter he had written to president trump. he mentioned russian hackers and said he had information of relevance. he also alleged he had been followed, that his e-mail and phone communications had been read by third parties. he was called schizophrenic. new details coming out about the suspect. >> obviously there was a security failure here, the fact that he got as far as he did without being de tectd. what is the secret service's response? >> well, they're going to have to look at this very closely.
this is not, as you know, the first time that this has taken place. there's been several breaches over the years of the obama administration. you may remember one of the most serious was when in 2014, a man jumped over the fence in the front of the white house, the north fence behind me, and made it through the north portico, which is essentially the front doors of the white house, and all the way into the east room of the white house. and he had a knife in his pocket. you don't want to play the what-if game too much. but it certainly could have been bad had this suspect made it into the white house with these cans of mace, or what have you. very, very serious matter the secret service is going to be reviewing closely. >> athena jones, thank you very much. just ahead, he was one of the most high-profile federal prosecutors in the country. but after refusing to resign, he was just fired by president trump today. a look at all the legal angles next here in the cnn newsroom. i]
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let's dig deeper into the breaking news coverage of president trump's firing of u.s. attorney preet bharara, one of 46 u.s. attorneys asked to resign by the white house yesterday. but he refused. he didn't want to turn in his letter of resignation. this afternoon president trump actually fired him. he said, today i was fired from my position as u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york. serving my country as u.s. attorney here for the past seven years will forever be the greatest honor of my professional life. no matter what else i do, or how long i live. cnn senior legala analyst jeffry toobin joins me now. back in november, the president and attorney general, he told him he could stay on as u.s. attorney for southern district
of new york. a source telling jake tapper then president-elect trump told bharara he wanted to keep him on as a gesture to senator schumer. what's your reaction to this development? >> it's important to say that president trump had every legal right to fire preet b hrkharara. it is traditional for a u.s. attorney to be replaced when a new president comes in. what is unusual in this situation, it is really undisputed that president trump promised preet bharara he could stay on. what's puzzle is what caused this turnabout seemingly overnight of why he was told to leave, like all the other u.s. attorneys. it's really, though, more of a political question than a legal question. because there is no question that president trump had the right to force bharara out of
office. >> put into perspective for us, preet bharara and the position that he holds. what makes him in this position so important? >> well, here's what's so significant, is that the u.s. attorney's office for the southern district of new york, which is based in manhattan, is widely acknowledged to be the premier u.s. attorney's office in the country. and they have a lot of independence. and what's particularly significant here is that he has been involved in a lot of investigations that are at least peripherally related to donald trump. he was the u.s. attorney who was investigating anthony weiner whose computer turned up the e-mails that wound up leading jim comey to make those very damaging statements about hillary clinton shortly before the election. he's also apparently involved in some investigations that involve
the trump organization. and russia, these various amorphous stories that keep coming out about the relationship between the trump campaign and russia. so the question arises, is there something either that the trump administration doesn't want preet bharara to pursue, or are there things he knows that he might disclose later that could be troublesome for the trump administration. >> well, isn't firing him one way, though, for him to later disclose that information? or wouldn't that be even more reason for bharara to perhaps give a bad eye to the president? >> that's a fair question. in a political context. but, you know, preet bharara whom i profiled for the new y"n yorke yorker", he does respect the rules. there are rules how much he can disclose about what he has been investigating.
by taking him out of the justice department, he is -- you know, he's cut off from access to new information. but there is some question about how much he can and would disclose simply as a private citizen. >> got you. you brought up the politicizization of all of this. and the justice department itself. the gop has been complaining about that. is this just fueling the fire when it comes to questions about that? >> it certainly will fuel the fire. you know, just a day ago, sean hanity on fox news, who is obviously close to the administration said, boy, it's time to get rid of all the clinton appointees to the justice department. and the next day, that's exactly
what attorney general sessions and president trump did. now, perhaps that's just a coincidence. but there certainly has been coming out of the trump administration a great deal of bitterness and anger towards anyone they feel is connected to barack obama, or they feel may have been leaking. they certainly know evidence that barack obama, that preet bharara was leaking this information. but, you know, the political controversy about leaks, and about trump's anger at obama certainly will be fanned by this. but i do think it's important to repeat that this is not a question whether donald trump had the right to do this. he certainly had the right to request the resignation, and to fire preet b hrkts arara when he
refused to leave. >> your article that you wrote and referenced earlier is called "the man who terrifies wall street." the fact that wall street feared him, and trump's relation to wall street, appointing billionaires to cabinet positions. do you have any sense of who he might put in this position to now replace bharara? would it be somebody who would have an equally tough perspective in terms of approaching wall street issues? >> hard to know. hard to know. the name that has been mentioned most recently in new york circles is martin, the son of judgment mucasi, who was the attorney general under george w. bush. and someone who is very strongly identified as a republican. someone who is much closer
politically to donald trump. he's also a former prosecutor in the southern district, so he's not a -- you know, a political hack. but he's certainly someone much closer to the administration. if he's appointed, you can be sure that people will say that donald trump is putting in a republican loyalist. but, you know, it is up to donald trump to make these appointments. it is also true that the senate has to vote on u.s. attorneys. you can be sure there will be hearings about whoever donald trump puts in. and democrats will be asking whether he has the independence that is traditionally associated with the u.s. attorney's office for the southern district of new york. >> jeffrey toobin, thank you so much for joining us. gra great to talk to you on a saturday night. with the shortage of priests in the catholic church, pope francis now says he has another idea to fix that, next. in the cnn newsroom. with my moderate to severe crohn's disease,...
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in a pretty stunning move, pope francis said he may be open to letting married men become priests. this idea could be a solution to what he calls a, quote, enormous problem within the catholic church. a shortage of priests. joining me now to talk about this is cnn religion commentator father edward beck. thank you for being here. first, your reaction to this latest move? >> i think it's hopeful. i think it's something we need, those of us who are priests have been hoping for it for a while. there is a vocation shortage. i know guys who have left the priesthood to get married. this is a major obstacle for them. i think it just kind of frees people up to say, why not look at this. for the first thousand years of the church, priests could be married. it changed because priests were kind of giving property to their children, church property. so it was a sociopolitical reason. >> it wasn't about celibacy,
or -- >> you know, we spiritualized that afterward and said you could be more devoted to your parishioners, more devoted to your ministry. really, it was sociopolitical. >> i didn't realize that, as a catholic myself. so some of these moves are teaching me more about the history of the faith as we move into modern times. when you look, though, at this move, i think one of the things i've read that could be even more controversial about it is the fact that what he is considering doesn't necessarily open the door for current priests to go get married, right. >> right. it seems to some of us like a bit of a double standard. in other words, if you can be a married priest, you can be a married priest, what's the difference if you get married after you're a priest or happen to be married before and become a priest. we have priests from protestant traditions coming into roman catholicism with their wives and children. and ministering along celibate roman catholic priests. you're in the same parish with a
priest with kids. you're thinking, why can't i do this. i think the pope is intent on opening the door slowly. but i think we have to be consistent here. if there's not an obstacle to priesthood because of marriage, then why not anyone who is married, why can't they be a priest. well, it needs to be a remote area. >> why not allow women to be priests then? >> that's a whole other question. the question with women would say, there were not women disciples, and jesus did not choose women. >> no history for it. >> but the apostles were married. because the original apostles were married. there were women deace deacones. today is different. why not consider it. this pope has closed the door right now to women priests, but hoe's opening the door to married priests.
for all of us, that's a hopeful step. little by little. >> how big of a shortage is there? is that the impetus for these changes? >> it's a really bad shortage right now. western europe has been decimated. the united states. africa, asia, there is vocation. now we're getting sent priests from those areas of the world to help supplement our shortage. we yuksed to send missionaries elsewhere, now they're spiendin priests to us. >> why the shortage? >> i can't tell you how many parents have said to me, i really wouldn't recommend my child, my son be a priest. i think there are so many opportunities right now. look at the priest scandal, the sex scandal, that put a mar on the priesthood. people are saying, why would i want to get my child involved in all of that. we have to do a lot of reeducation, a lot of reimagining. i think we have to open the door and say, this is what a
modern-day priesthood looks like for a modern-day catholic. the church unfortunately moves really slowly. if parents were to promote it, i think if it was spoken about more, those of us who are happy priests and have great ministries, we could share that more. but it's an uphill climb right now. look, i can do ministry as a single person or married person, why do i have to be a priest and give up anything. if this says i can be married and be a priest, maybe not so bad. >> you never know. >> you never know. >> father edward beck, thank you so much. >> thank you. my pleasure. >> we see a lot of the moving and shaking that pope francis has done as he moves the religion forward. coming up, it was an officer who became a hero during the sikh temple massacre. he shares his story. how he went beyond the call of duty and survived being shot 15 times at close range. here's to the wildcats 'til we die...
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the first officer to respond to the 2012 sikh temple massacre is share iing his story. somehow, lieutenant brian murphy survive d being shot 15 times ad spoke with sara sidner in this edition of beyond the call of duty. >> by all accounts, brian murphy should be dead. >> first shot was at my face. second, thumb, back of the head. right hand. one in the right arm. three in the left hand ch one in each leg. one in the chest. one in the side and one in the back. >> his dash cam rolling, he was the first on the scene as calls poured in from the sikh temple of wisconsin. >> guy shooting. >> we heard fighting outside.
i brought the kids in my hand. i said, let's go in the -- >> she was among 15 women and children huddle ed in this pant, fearing death. her husband, the president of the temple, rushed out to warn people. he was shot and killed along with five others. the shooter, a white supremacist and army veteran on a mission of hate was still at it when lieutenant murphy rolled up. that's murphy there and that's page, gun raised. >> we both shoot exactly the same time. >> what happens? >> i missed! murphy was hit in tface. that's him ducking. >> about halfway through, i'm just got mad. i'm thinking when are you going to be done shooting me? >> how are you not dead? >> god kept me around. >> another officer drives up. >> paige shoot, hitting the
windshield of bun gun battle. by then, murphy's vest and body are riddled with 15 bullets. a year later, a survivor aed. >> how many dids did how you ghet shot. >> that's right, one bullet for every one of us inside. >> community says without his sacrifice, the massacre would have been so much worse. >> i know that murphy is a hero. he's a hero to our community, but much larger community as in the sikh community. in america. >> a community murphy still worries about knowing they are sometimes targets. simply because of their appearance. sara sidner, cnn, milwaukee. >> amazing. good to see him doing okay. up next, new details about the man who jumped a fence at the white house while president trump was in the residence. what he was carrying and the charges he's now facing. you're live in the cnn news room. is being condensed
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wall. >> mexico will pay for the wall. i think they'll end up being happy to do so. >> the wall just got 10 feet higher. we love it. >> we are going to build the wall. it will be a real wall. a real wall. who is going to pay for the wall? >> mexico. >> who? >> mexico. >> the back and forth between boss and top kick on the president's immigration position has not help congressional republicans get any closer to a deal that would solve the daca problem and keep the government opened. if no deal is reached there will be a shutdown of the government tomorrow at midnight. casey hunt on capitol hill gives us the update. i did talk about baby food because this chief of staff talks about the president as this cartoon character that has to be made into a person by
language about haiti and africa. so what you have now is a democratic party that's bg been given a rational for this potential shutdown, the brew ha over the last week has energized their base and made it easier for democrats to say we can't work with this guy on these issues. whereas republicans are with john kelly privately. they think this president says one thing one day, another the next, doesn't understand the issue. fisa was in danger this morning. there was a moment we thought the president was opposing this because it included a long term extension of the children's health insurance program. this is the president they're dealing with. quite frankly it's a big part of the reason we're here. >> i get a sense we're going to be here for a while. trump gave a barn burner of a speech in pittsburgh today. he's good at standing in front
messages down the news that the president pays a lot of attention to. it's unlike anything people up here have ever seen. one of the dynamics on the hill is how much of it feels unprecedented. there was a sense that we'll figure it out. we always figure it out. there's no way the government is going to shut down. but then over the weekend, the s-hole debate changed the landscape of this. e we have no idea what's going to happen tomorrow. we could be here tomorrow at 7:00 having a different conversation. i every day covering this, the people i talk to in these hallways, no one has any clue what's going to happen in the following 15 minutes. we're in uncharted territory. maybe it's an obvious thing to say. >> you're giving us a wonderful capsule of insanity.
thank you. let's go to cornell bellcher and jennifer rubin. i don't buy the idea this is the usual turbulence you feel on an airplane. no this is whack job. you have tob people that don't like immigration and they got people who insist on basically meeting the needs of a consistency, the hispanic people of the country, the latinos, they want to help those kids, i don't see the kid. >> the iron any is if they put it on the table it would pass. they have the majority of votes. >> the middle that doesn't call the shots? >> exactly. if you have the democrats voting one way and this group -- lindsey graham is expanding the group that say they're in favor of a solution, it won't work. trump won't let them put it on the table, mcconnell won't, ryan
won't. i think what happens going to happen, if the house passes through, what's mitch mcconnell going to do? >> here's the story, an uncertain trumpet, is it that the president will give on the wall thing, the president understands daca and can't fight it? that's the message from the chief of staff to the caucus the other day. the president saying today i am still a wall guy and i'm tough. >> the leadership matters. we're seeing what happens when we don't have leadership. this level of dysfunction. you can't have this. nancy pelosi nailed it. it's amateur hour. and it's dangerous for those thousands of young americans who have known nothing but america, they're in the lines of fire because of this absolute chaos
and dysfunction at the top. be a leader, take one side and stake with that side, the president is absent in this. >> as we said earlier, democrats and republicans have until midnight tomorrow to fund the government. candidate trump ran on the promise that he would be a deal maker, remember that? in instances just like this one. let's take a listen. >> if i'm elected president, i'm going to be in the white house a lot. i'm not leaving we have deals to make. >> i will bring america to a new level. i will negotiate deals that nobody can negotiate deals like i do. i know nobody i'm running against. nobody is going to do the things i do. it's supposed to be you get along with congress, cojoel and go back and forth and we get in a room and we have deals. clare mckas skill tweeted,
compromise is the essence of democracy. if there ever was a time for a deal maker. look at it this way, it seems a deal is there. we're going to take care of the dreamers, 80% say let those kids stay here. nobody wants to send them back, they didn't come on their own, don't send them back on the government's say-so. at the same time there has to be enforcement of the immigration laws, there has to be something, whether it's a wall, punishing big business for hiring illegally -- something has to stop the immigration. not everybody wants to say that but they will -- >> be but graham and durbin argue the deal is already there. durbin just sweet twooeted unification check, border security, check, d.r.e.a.m.ers check. the deal is there. the hard liners have a problem
with it but durbin and senator graham had the deal. >> has this use of the term, the s-hole term which we all say ridiculously s-hole, but we do. he said it worse. has now created a poison so the democrats don't want to sit down with him? especially with minority people. >> they're so offended by it. but now they know they have him. he looks bad, a racist. >> what do they get out of it? if they cut a deal, they look week and give in to a bad guy who's a racist, in the end what's this chip worth? >> eventually they have to do something on daca and they'll be her rows. >> i don't agree the democrats are holding a chip. the votes are there for the democrats, again the durbin/graham bill, they would
vote for this bill. >> there's always been the middle, ted kennedy was in the middle. we all agree, we can do it better here. we can do the deal here. president trump's attorney says he's eager to speak with special counsel mueller. he suggested mueller might set a perjury trap. have you ever heard a lawyer said ahead of time he's worried his client is going to lie under oath? this is what this guy is saying, my guy might lie. you think the chief of staff has low estimate for the brains, his lawyer's are lawyers. trump is vowing to spend four to five days a week helping republicans win in 2018. he went to pittsburgh, pennsylvania today where democrats think they have a chance to flip a republican
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questioned by the special counsel mr. mueller in connection with the russia probe. however his top lawyers now say otherwise. he said he believes it's a certainty that the president will sit down with mueller's team but he's worried about perjury. let's watch. >> is it from your advantage point right now a virtual certainty that the president will have some q & a with the special counsel robert mueller? >> that's my belief. >> do you think there's any danger for the president in that encounter? >> you know, i would hope that a fair-minded office of special counsel would approach it in a -- in a dutiful way consistent with precedent and it wouldn't be a mere perjury trap. >> after incorrectly predicting
the probe would wind down last year, trump's lawyer, said it would end soon. >> when do you believe it would reach a conclusion. >> soon. >> what do you mean by soon. >> four to six weeks. >> i'm joined by adam schiff ranking congressman in the house committee. i'm wondered if you are baffled by a lawyer for the president, his top lawyer, saying he might commit perjury because somehow the questioning would be so brilliant that he would be forced into what he called a perjury trap. what do you make of it? >> i'm surprised with that level of candor, but wouldn't you be surprised as the lawyer knowing the president's propensity to say things aren't true. so i can understand counsel's concern but he is going to have to be interviewed by special
counsel. he's made a number of statements. some of the most incriminating have come from the president himself. such as the comments he had on his mind when he fired james comey. so the interview has to take place. certainly a lot of mind fields for the president's lawyer. if we're going to get to the truth, the facts, he's an essential witness. >> they seem less worried about or less intending to avoid commenting db or letting the president testify to mueller's team than they are to testify to your committee. what is it with these guys? they want to use executive privilege to stay away from you guys, especially the democrats on your committee, but the lawyer, they have to go face the special counsel? >> we saw this week, they shutdown steve bannon said we're imposing a gag rule on steve bannon we won't let him testify
to anything he learned after he left the campaign or any conduct, meetings, conversation during the transition or his time in the administration or thereafter. similarly corey lewandowski ended up doing the same thing, saying i'm going to refuse to answer questions because i'm not prepared to do it today. and then the third witness that was supposed to come in tomorrow, another administration official, they cancelled altogether. so they're concerned about testimony before congress. they're most concerned, frankly, about steve bannon. they may have good reason for that concern or this may be just a broad effort to stifle the congressional investigations because they feel they have a home court advantage with the republican chairman of our committee. >> they do. today your committee released the testimony of glen simpson, the founder of gps. the transcript shows mr. simpson told you that he diskcovered
there were an amazing number of people that will purchased properties from mr. trump. what do you make of it? >> this is a concern i had all along. that this one area of the investigation could be potentially the most compromising of the president, and it ought to be in the exercise of due diligence investigated like the other allegations we've faced. when we began this investigation, there were allegations of secret meetings with trump campaign people which we know took place. there were allegations of what general flynn was doing, which we now know proved to be true. and there have been persistent allegations of money laundering, which we have not been allowed to investigate. steve bannon is concerned about money laundering and simpson as well. i think it would be irresponsible for us not to look into it and find out it's not true, it was just highly suggestive or no it looks like
there's merits to the allegations and the president could be potentially compromised. >> there's three areas of exposure, the president may have colluded with the russians, the president may have obstructed justice and he may have been involved with money laundering. he and his family. all three topics still hot to investigate to you? >> yes, i think we have more wrk to did on all of these topics. you can see the limitations we're operating under when bannon won't talk about his time in the administration or transition. and corey lewandowski is saying i'm not prepared to answer that today, thinking that's an adequate response. so there's a lot more work we need to do, there's a lot more work just about the trump tower meeting, people that knew what went into the trump tower meeting, the telephone records we want to obtain so we can determine whether donald trump jr. spoke with donald trump
senior about that meeting. but money laundering, could be, if there were merit to it, the most compromising in the sense the russians knew they engaged it, would have power over the united states and we've not been permitted by the majority to look at the issue. >> thank you. i'm joined by paul butler. what you make of all that? >> money laundering is hot because of simpson's testimony, that's what they were looking at that led to the dossier, the president clearly doesn't want to talk about that. i get the feeling he's going to fire mueller the minute he goes in that direction. >> what the transcript says eric trump said he can get money from the russians. we have that and the suspicious pattern of real estate transactions with people in
russia. and then we have steve bannon, the guy who knew the president best, who said if the trump team goes down it's going down because of money laundering. as you say they've focussed occlusion, obstruction of justice, but this could be the thing that undonees the administration. >> it raises the question whether his campaign for president was a criminal inte enterprise. the whole question were they selling them land to get the money laundered. >> we think about the political organization of the campaign. that's another area bannon is key. a question they will ask him is how did it work. would it be possible for people like carter page and george papadopoulos to meet with russians and trump not know about it. if he says to the grand jury or the fbi that he didn't know about it and he did, that's perjury. >> watch these pictureses. i like the pictures that show
steve bannon sitting comfortably in the oval office. he said we were worried, we were talking to the white house about the meetings, the meeting at trump tower, we talked about it. it opened up the gate. they obviously talked about it but now he said they talked about it. >> how could he not. he said he thought it was treasonous, the fact they were meeting with the russians to talk about the election on behalf of president trump. so bannon has a lot to tell mueller. i would love to be a fly in the room. >> you know they separate the two menendez brothers. in this case you have bannon who doesn't like the nepotism people, eric and jared and all that benefitting by their father. he may want to testify against them. >> he's a prosecutor's dream witness. he doesn't have exposure. he only gets in trouble if he doesn't tell the truth. they're going to tell him, yes, steve you're not talking to the
grand jury, you're talking to agents. but you still have to tell the truth, if you don't, you're going to jail. >> executive privilege, it was wiped away because of the nixon case, it was an impeachment case, high crimes misdemeanors. there the court said no executive privilege. where does it play here at all? >> here's the deal. there is some limited claim in a congressional hearing before a grand jury, which is what plu mueller is working with, no credible claim. even with the congressional committees i think trump waved it because the things they want the witnesses to talk about, michael flynn and why he fired comey. trump has made statements about that. so you can't talk about something and then prevent people from talking about it. as soon as it gets to the court. it's the republicans who are running the committees that are not forcing the witness to talk.
they can say, if you're claiming executive privilege make the president file a motion or send a letter. it's the president that has to claim it. >> you know all about this stuff. what is a perjury trap? is there such a thing or is that some sort of rhetorical device by a lawyer to set up the innocence of his client who he thinks is going to lie? >> the perjury trap is when the prosecutor sets someone up to try to trick them into telling a lie before the grand jury. the best way to prevent it is to tell the truth. apparently the president's lawyer thinks his client has a hard time doing that. >> i shouldn't laugh about criminal behavior. anyway, thank you. up next, president trump hits the campaign trail ahead of another hotly contested election in western pennsylvania. he's not the only president looking to make an impact in 2018. president obama is coming off the sidelines. we'll see how they handle it and how these two match up.
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the deplorables. we're all deplorables. who would have thought that was going to turn into a landslide. that was not a good phrase that she used. oh, some things you'd like to have back. >> he also bragged about how great the country is doing right now. let's watch that. >> nobody thought we were going to have this kind of success so quickly. there's never been a better time to hire in america, to invest in america, and believe in the american dream than right now. we can keep it like this we're going to win a lot of elections, that i can tell you. >> it remains to be seen if voters will buy trump's argument that he's made america great again. according to a new pole, 51% of registered voters say his first year in office was a failure, 42% say it was a success and 7%
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welcome back to "hardball." the u.s. house of representatives has just approved a short term spending bill. we saw the vote there. and now the measure goes to the senate where its fate is unclear, putting it nicely. the federal government will shutdown at midnight if they in the senate. the president is helping to stop a blue wave this november. but he'll face barack obama on the trail. the chicago tribune said obama will continue to be active in 2018. meanwhile reports obama is strategizing on his approach with tom perez. according to the publicipolitic determined not to become the foil the president wants him to
be. let's bring in, kimberly at kins, howard and and dave gem betty. i want to talk to howard, i think we agree on something off the bat. i thought trump's speech today was a barn burner. i never heard him give a better speech. for whatever reason he rose to the occasion. i know it was home court. i think if he behaves like that, the democrats are going to need a powerful candidate. >> i think, chris, there is a big blue wave or wind blowing -- >> in '18. >>. >> -- in '18 but if he's going to get through it, it's going to have to be with speeches he gave. he talked about his calling card, the economy, and he didn't create all of this, barack obama deserves some of the credit.
unemployment is low, minority unemployment is low. he made his case today and stayed on message. he stayed out of his way today. light touch, some humor, salesmansh salesmanship, just enough ra ra. >> and none of those cheap shots. >> that's as good as he's going to get on the stump. >> let me talk to you about president obama, to some people he's still the president. how does he get into this fight without getting his face dirtied by trump? >> carefully. president trump is going to punch at obama if he's on the campaign trail. so it's up to president obama to pick the message. >> how do you make yourself a stand back weapon. >> if anybody can do it, it's this president. he's very popular he has that over president trump. he also knows how to speak to
issues and speak about candidates and speak to what's going on in the districts he campaigns that doesn't make it about trump and overshadow the candidates themselves or some of the other up and coming democratic stars that might be good on the campaign trail. >> judge, give me your matchup. the president and former president go out there by october 15th they'll both have their faces on the nightly news you know it. >> the difference is the elections are going to be a referendum on president trump whether he likes it or not. there's no way the elections are going to be a referendum on the president who has left office two years ago. so they're going to pick their spots carefully, make an affirmative message out there. take on trump occasionally but shy away from the idea it's one versus the other. democrats are happy with the comparison. one of them is popular, overall
in the country, and especially with the democratic base. and one of them is not that popular overall in the country including with his own republican base. so democrats are not concerned about this matchup. >> president trump largely stuck to his script on stage, but off stage offered this over the impasse tomorrow night. >> i believe the democrats want a shutdown to get off the topic of the tax cuts because they've worked so well. they've been so good that i think the democrats would like a shutdown in order to get off the subject. that is not a good subject for them, the tax cuts because of the way they worked. >> is that true? >> that's not true. some democrats, particularly in the senate, want to see daca action. what's the action on daca and will see tomorrow some effort to try to negotiate that in before they give their approval of this
bill. but, no, this isn't about the tax cut, about the democrats wanting to shutdown the government. this shouldn't be about up anybody wanting to shutdown the government. that's one of the least popular things can you do. >> maybe i'm a skeptic. how about people want the deal in the fight and how many want the fight because sometimes the fight is better than the deal. if you're looking out for a minority community that's growing every day in this country, ten years from now, it'll be 20% you want that community behind you and against other side, right? >> absolutely. >> here's the chance for the democrats to stick the republicans with being the antiimmigrant party. >> they're also making the calculation that people realize that republicans control everything in washington right now, whether it's the white house, the house or the senate. so for republicans to try to push this back on democrats right now. the democratic leadership doesn't believe that's going to work. so they think it's a win-win right now.
they can convince their base, a lot of minority voters they're standing for them. >> i think democrats don't mind the fight a bit. >> it's not a fight for the sake of a fight -- >> it's a fight to be on the right side of the fight. although sometimes fights are good. like here. >> no matter what the republican leadership thinks, i think that donald trump thinks that he can win that spin war. that he can win that war. >> he'd rather be on the anti-immigrant side? >> he'd rather by on the anti-immigrant side. remember, he and his people don't like the government. >> it's a weird world. what do you think? >> i think it's interesting because you said he looked great because he read for ten minutes and didn't say anything offensive. >> i didn't say that he looked
great, i said that's as good as he can do. >> i said he was great. i watch politics all these years and try to figure out who looks good. >> the same guy you said wants to anti-immigrants, pick the expletive you want. i think it'll be a great get out the vote for the democrats. >> they're hoping for the worst case situation in politics for republicans. gabe agrees with me? >> they're hoping for the worst case scenario. >> they hope he's a klutz, a fool saying s.-hole every day of the week. in his limited campaign appearances last year, president obama took on his successor, although not by name. let's watch. >> i've been commenting a lot on politics lately, but here's one
thing i know. if you have to win a campaign by dividing people, you're not going to be able to govern them. >> when wha we can't have is same old politics of division that we have seen so many times before. that dates back centurys. some of the politics we see now, we thought we put that to bed. >> that's my religion. >> look, i think one of the biggest things that former president obama has going for him is the same thing that made everyone so excited about oprah. they give a speech and inspire people. there's not a lot of that in washington right now. >> i agree with you. the people who are against -- who might beat oprah if she were to run are also positive people like biden. do i use a toothpaste that whitens my teeth
whatsoever. the iranians like to taunt us because they don't have respect for our leaders, right. >> it turns out the world respects us less now that trump confidence in the united states leadership has fallen to an historic low right now. gallup vsurveyed more than 130 countries and found just 30% approve of leadership under trump. germany has now replaced the united states as top-rated global power. isn't that wonderful? the u.s. also falls slightly behind china and is barely more popular than the russkis. we should note that this poll was conducted before trump -- oh, my god -- before he started talking about africa as a bunch of s-holes. we'll be right back. geez! (singing) riblets, tenders!
do not go gentle into that good night. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ we're back with the "hardball" roundtable. kimberly, tell me something i don't know. >> well, on track to change the way that sexual harassment is reported against members of congress. they introduced a bill, that has support that not only will get
rid of this publicly funded settlement -- >> right, i know -- >> the settlement fund, but it would force lawmakers to pay out of their own dollars. it would give extra support to people making these claims. and also on the other side to prevent blackmail. >> this is the new system. >> it's a new system. >> it's in place now? >> the bill has been filed and it's likely to pass. >> and the house can make this decision by itself? without the senate? zb >> yes. >> howard? >> chris, i checked with some agencies and departments. unlike past administrations in past years, there's been very little if any guidance about what to do if there actually is a government shutdown. either out of ignorance or chaos or knowing something that we don't, the departments and agencies have not been fully briefed in the way that they have been in the past about exactly what happens if there's a shutdown. >> so they turn the lights off in the zoo? >> they turn the lights off. >> what do the animals do? >> i put it down to general chaos and it's still
understaffed and underexperienced trump's administration. >> last night, there was a little known special election for a state senate seat in rural wisconsin. >> oh, we know. well known here. >> well known here. what i want to say, there have been 34 state legislative seats now since november 2016 that have flipped from republican to democrat over the last year. and you have -- >> which tells you? >> which tells us that there's something build. >> a wave. >> i don't know if it's that wave yet, but scott walker himself was saying, it's time to sound the alarm. >> every president since 18 tv, it's been an arnl average of 32s lost by the president's party. looks like the democrats could win back the house. thank you, kimberly atkins, howard fineman, dave bedenebeti. when we return, let me finish with trump watch.
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he hit all the high notes, never a flat one, he hit out the good news, hitting strong on employment numbers, no nastiness. his pitch uplifting, gung ho, with all the flags flying. i'm trying to think of a democratic rival that could match the performance, maybe you can help me out here, someone who can sell this country while making a case for herself or himself. someone who can make people feel empowered, feel like they matter. and still give them hope that they will win in the end? my point, which i expect to make often in the next three years, is that you can't beat someone with no one. to defeat donald trump will take a political combatant able to take the blows and give them back. to speak with hope and power. to go over trump, and not just get caught going under him. trying to undermine him. someone who will be bigger than him. why? because this is not a parliamentary or congressional country, like in england, where the party is what matters. it's a presidential country, where the leader matters. to win, democrats will need a
arguments are not allowed to do their job because of almost laws like catch and release. getting more dangerous. care vans coming. republicans must go to nuclear option to pass tough laws now. no more daca dweealdeal. and then he also threatened to dismantle the trade agreement saying that next go is doing very little if not nothing, stopping people from flowing into mexico through their southern border. and then into the u.s., they laugh at our dumb immigration laws, they must stop the big drug and people flows or i will stop their cash cow. and in another tweet, the president conflated the refugee crisis saying the refugees want in on the act here, but the tax po daca policy says that they have
california to the federal government and vice versa on this very topic. >> yeah, you used the right word, ire. the president has been frustrated with congress for the lack of progress on this issue. i think we can't forget that the president's immigration proposal only got 39 votes in the senate and now he is essentially pulling back and saying no deal when it was the democrats that had actually offered $25 billion for president trump's border wall which is another thin g he expressed his ire about. he only got $1.6 billion and it wasn't really for new construction, it was to repair the existing infrastructure there. so the president could have gone the extra mile here and gotten something in return which would have been $25 billion for his border wall which is what democrats said they were prepared to give up. >> when we look forward to the midterms, and this will be great
for the base, grit feat for tho who want to bring president trump into their election cycle, is this simply why the president is now hitting this particular point, knowing that congress will not get anything done on the topic but knowing that it may get some votes out? >> and it also that there are these court cases out there that are preventing people who receive daca from losing anywhemayor protections. so he can create a political scene without having a huge risk of any major fall outor haveyo risk of him having not followed through. >> and when the president trump said today is that the other statement he made about the nuclear option here, concern, a and in reality if they were to use the nuclear option, do the
republicans have the votesern, and in reality if they were to use the nuclear option, do the republicans have the votes? john mccain not in washington, d.c. as allof his colleagues would agree they wish he was there. >> it would change senate procedures to make it where you would just need a simple majority vote. right now you need a 60 vote threshold. only in washington do you have to vote to have a vote. i go back to my schoolhouse rock days to work through how a bill become as law. but i do think that it mobilizing the far right, but we also have to point out that it mobilizing progressives and the base of the democratic farthpar well. so this is a political gamble that they think that it would have a better turnout effect for conservatives than it would with republicans. but i just think back to pa 18
when i was right outside of pittsburgh and seeing how motivated progressives were to get to the polls. but again, this is very gee vice si d divisive. i'm not sure that mitch mcconnell wants to deploy that nuclear option on. >> and nancy pelosi also responded to the president's remarks today. obviously hitting out against what he was saying. but is she the right spokesperson from the left to be challenging this president on the very issue of immigration and daca? this is again what she said earlier, time and time again the president has walked away from bipartisan proposals that are what he asked for. andrew. >> well, i talked to a bunch of democrats in the house that said nancy pelosi is part of the problem. the democrats gave up a lot of the leverage othat they could
have had. pelosi was saying basically here is why i'm not supporting the budget agreement because it doesn't have daca, but she didn't tell her members you also shouldn't vote for this because we need to extract a concession from the republicans when it comes to daca. so most of them privately would argue that nancy pelosi isn't the guest spokesperson on this issue. but just to echo what kevin said, this really is a pipe dream this idea of getting rid of the filibuster and going to the nuclear option. republicans couldn't even get to a simple majority with health care last year. and with immigration, it is more divisive. and a bunch proposal showed potential, but you aare still 1
votes short even if you invoke the nuclear option. >> so if nancy pelosi is not the voice, who should it be? >> well, you have to remember, senate democrats are trying to protect their people who are already elected. you have plenty of people worried if they go too far on daca, that it isn't good to them in the 2018 midterms and they are trying to hold on to as close -- the likelihood of democrats taking strocontrol of senate is much lower than democrats taking control of the house and they are trying to hold onn seats. so difficult to say we'd like to shut down the government again over dam whca. but we know from past experience that government shutdowns don't allege m always manifest themselves in
the way that people vote. but it is unknow how far to the left they should go. >> and rely interesting for all four of us to watch the tactics and strategies implemented by both side of the aisle moving forward. because we're right in the middle of it. so thank you so much. have a good holiday sunday. hit by a sheriff's brick, a protester injured during a vigil. what we're learning. and plus the current pastor of martin luther king jr.'s church join us to talk about the state of race 50 year after his assassination. we at the coca-cola company believe the health of our water sources assassination. which is why we're helping to replenish the mighty rio grande as well as over 30 watersheds across the country.
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are tensions that are starting to heat up. she ha they have been since last week since the findings were reported by a family hired doctor. he was shot eight times, six in the back. it seems to fly in the face of the sacramento police. and as the week moved on, the protests started to heat up last night there was a planned protest at the sheriff's department. it started peaceful as most of them have been, most of the protesters wielding candles instead of signs, but they were there for what was planned to be a vigil. but as the night rolled on, a r lot started moving in too t str, disrupted traffic and then around 8:40, a lot were gather
around the corner and the sheriff tried to wade you through the crowd. and sheriff says they wanted to cause vandalism. but the protesters say it was a broad hit and run, it was clear as day. sheriff's department says that there was very slow speed, that the woman struck sustained minor injuries. and that seems to be confirmed. but the question is what exactly happened. that is part of the investigation from the california highway patrol. meanwhile sacramento police not commenting any further on clark's death until there is an official autopsy from the county, and that could take several more months. tensions will be high until that point. >> all right. thank you so much for that report. thursday marks the 50th anniversary of the as satisfies nation of martin luther king jr.
ameri america. anytime young black people are not safe in their own grandmoth grandmother's backyard, this young man shot in his back, takes dark time and yet i see glimpses of hope. i'm inspired by young people fighting against violence on the street, violence visited upon communities. this way in which we're seeing those saying black lives matter and those marching for our lives recognizing at the same time that they are young people in these inner cities who have been in the march for their lives for years now. and so we keep fighting the good fight. i have to say to you that this is a tough moment. but dr. king does not allow us to give up. >> one of my first stories as a cub reporter was rodney king. and as we have to tell the
stories that again we were unable to get from steve pat t petition petition patterson, you just change a couple thing tsz and tell the story again. how do you say it's okay, we'll get better? >> as tragic as these incidents are, they are as predictable as they are tragic. i'm very concerned about police brutali brutality. dr. king said that we will not be satisfied as long as the negro is the victim of the injustices of police brutality. but behind that really is america's commitment to being the capital of mass incarceration in the world. the land of the free he is the incarceration capital of the world. we warehouse 25% of the world's prisoners. as we saw the decline of industry in our country, a shift
to service and post industrial economy, we could have invested on money in preparing our young people for that new economy. instead we have invested in systems this brokenness, we have invested in incarceration. and so these kinds ever he of escalations that we see are really as tragic as they are, they are the tip of the iceberg, a lot of people dyinging a independe kind of social death. not physically, but they traffic you through america's criminal justice system, over 50% are black, most for nonviolence drug related offenses. and when they come out, the tragic irony is that all of the form of discrimination against which dr. king fought are now legal. they are simply reinscribed. some have taken a plea, have only served a few days or no days at all, but voting
discrimination is legal, job discrimination is legal, housing discrimination is legal, all of the doors of entry h. entry into citizenship are shut close. and we have to keep fighting. and what inspires me is today i preached earlier today aboutent citizenship are shut close. and we have to keep fighting. and what inspires me is today i preached earlier today aboutent citizenship are shut close. and we have to keep fighting. and what inspires me is today i preached earlier today about a man who led a protest march against at powers that be and he was brought up on trumped up charge, he was executed as a death row inmate. and today all over the world christians remember that love t triumphs. this weekend our jewish sisters and brothers entered the weekend of passover. it is a long hard struggle.
we have to kind bebdinding the . >> and as you know he history everof mlk, the day before he murdered, he said he didn't want to die, but he knew that it would happen. the next day he was murdered. what would he say about the state of race relations had that not happened 50 years ago? >> he was murdered and i think it is important to remember in a moment like this this dr. king was a victim of gun violence and so too was his mother. she was shot and killed in the sanctuary of our church in 1974 by a young black teenager who had access to a gun but not mental health care. it would have been a blood bath had he been able to access an ar-15. 50 years later, there is a deep
bigotry that we are hearing, this venomous speech in the public square. black people sadly are used to negotiating what i cause respectable racism, but we're seeing unabashed bigotry from the high ets levels in our country. and yet there are those at the grass roots in our significant gag synagogues and mask mosques th need to learn to live together or we will perish separately as fools. i see hope particularly in the eyes of the young. 50 years later. dr. king made his way to memphis because two garbage collectors were literally crushed in the compactor of their truck because they could not ride in the front of the truck. and that is what took him to
memphis. he lost his life, but the movement grew stronger. jesus was executed on a cross. but he got off the cross and got in our hearts. truth crushed to earth will rise again. >> reverend, keep on keeping on, my friend. thank you so much. >> thank you. tonight the nbc special documentary hope and fury, movement and media, this du documentary explores the civil rights movement to 2k5id. watch it tonight 10:00 p.m. eastern. another trump cabinet member under fire for on expensive tastes. a look at that and chief scott pruitt from the epa. and watch for this, an apology not enough in a stabondoff. what spoken nsors are saying.
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blocks from the kcapitol. the a.p. reports a trip to italy costing taxpayers $120,000. and then there was also the sound proof phone booth, the cost $43,000. and today chris christie made a prediction about pruitt's future and criticize the vetting process. >> this was a brutally unprofessional transition. this was a transition that doesn't vet people. if mr. pruitt will go, he should have never been there in the first place. >> and he is not 9 on othe only with questionable spending. ben carson scrapping plans to buy a $31,000 dining room set for his office pnd. carson said he left the decision up to his wife. and we all remember steve mnuchin and his wife wanting a military jet for their european
honeymoon. about a million dollars there. mnuchin's insistence on flying military aircraft has cost the taxpayer that number right there. let's decide with oiscuss with . ben carson was on that list of questionable spending. at least a potential possibility. what is your reflection on pruitt, is he next to go or is he safe because of his effectiveness at least in removing a lot of the obama era rules? >> happy easter to you. i think one of the president's key campaign promises was indeed that he would darain the swamp, that he would bring back transparency to washington.
i think the president will have to make the tough decision and fire many of these people riddled by scandal because they are taking away from whatever good deeds he may like to argue that his administration is doing. absolute power corrupts absolute absolutely. very much to vet people properly. but again, i think it is very, very critical that the president looks at his cabinet and makes the stuff decisions and lets these people go because he is taking away from his overall message. >> wendy, why is pruitt not gone now? >> that is a very good question because when it you look at a cab met member paying $50 to a potential robblobbyist, 9 next question is for what? whether we look at former or past cabinet members, next
question is for what? whether we look at former or past cabinet membernext question is for what? whether we look at former or past cabinet members, they have used taxpayer money and they look to wield power and influence. there is a notion of draining the swamp. but all we see a crocodiles and alligato alligators. this is why the president has no business serving the american people. >> and what is the read on ben cars carson? week to week we wonder based on quickly things change in the white house and the cabinet. >> look, i'll be honest with you, i have no clue. from my understanding -- >> oh, come on. >> from my understanding, his position is safe. but look, back to my original point. any individual who continues to run an agency and mismanagement it, any individual with questionable ethics, those people have to be receipt go.
again, any individual who is running an agency riddled by a scandal with questionable issues have to be let go if the president wants to continue to be true to his campaign promise of graining tdraining the swamp. >> wendy, have we now changed what would be standard operating procedure based on what we've seen in this white house as the culture moved off of what was energy? >> the culture has moved from -- >> long term. >> yeah, so long term i'm hoping that we can pull this back. there is a saying and it is easter on i'll get biblical, a saying says show me your friends and i'll show you your future. and if the cabinet is any reflection of the president, we are not in good shape. we into need to get back to wha american people deserve.
if they are serving their own self interests as we have seen time and time again from this administration, they need to be let go and she need to be let go without us the american people expoeding them. the president is aware of what is going on here, needs to let these individuals go. >> and if i could say and this is something that i rarely ever do, to the president's credit, he actually is letting some of these folks go. and i think that you will continue to see that. presidents, whether they make good decisions or bad decisions, we the people ulgtly have eopllo live with that. so i think you will see conversations about these people taking away from his agenda fp. >> what about the fiscal
responsibility? >> no one is above reproach. >> okay. that might be a pats sif yes th that it is a possibility. >> all right. thank you. you kind of gave us your answer. appreciate both of you. comey tells all. what we could learn as james comey echl barksembarks on his . and investigate torts detain a trump ally as he heads home on easter. trouble with recall. - learning from him is great... when i can keep up! - anncr: thankfully, prevagen helps your brain and improves memory. - dad's got all the answers. - anncr: prevagen is now the number-one-selling brain health supplement in drug stores nationwide. - she outsmarts me every single time. - checkmate! you wanna play again? - anncr: prevagen. healthier brain. better life.
welcome back. let's turn to the russia probe. this week investigators detained and questioned ted malloch. he was served with a subpoena and will be questioned again about his involvement in the trurm c trump campaign. john dowd reportedly floated the idea of are pardons but he denies it. and james comey kicks on off his book tour will he will tell his side of the story since being fired by trump last may which eventually led to the appointment of 3450u8lemueller. nick, what do you make of ted
malloch? >> i find it interesting because he was coming through u.s. cust customs. they didn't need a search warrant. but there is a supreme court case that makes it clear that they view a search warrant on a phone as pretty significant. and i think that mueller's team has probable cause, they really have reason to believe that there is evidence of a crime on that phone. and that is why they got the search warrant. they weren't taking any chances because they believe there is something there. and what that there is relates somehow to jewel januaulian ass the conspiracy with the campaign and russian government. to use the e-mails to get donald trump elected. >> and i think we have a lot of
interests when one of these new people is questioned. but i think what we've seen is that there is professionalism. there will follow each of these leads where they need to go and there is such a variety of them now, almost hard to put the mosaic together. so we just need to sit back and let them to do it for us. >> i don't know, whjohn, what de decision not to name a second special counsel to look into the way that the special counsel bob mueller has been looking into the russia question and the investigation thereof? what do you make of his decision to say no to the special counsel but then say u.s. attorney huber will be the one to provide i guess recommendations about what the next steps might be? >> i think that is probably the professional answer. clearly the notion of having another special counsel to look at the mueller investigation is nothing but partisan politics and pretty sleaze ciy at that.
there is no evidence that mueller is doing nothing but their professional duty. i think the president is grasping for anything. the arrest warrant for steele is evidence of that. and this effort is just another sort of in that gamesmanship. >> and as a part of the entire narrative, we have the former fbi director here, james comey and his book that we expect to come out this month. some people don't like to hear the pressure trove, but what do expect to be said and what will be the impact be on the mueller investigation? >> he has to know that he will be a witness in any obstruction case. so he is being i'm sure extremely care in what he puts into that book. so what he puts in to that book, he will view as what his testimony will be in a court of
law if he has to testify against donald trump in an obstruction of justice prosecution. so you will see everything laid out there. because he doesn't want to create a book that can be used to cross-examine ihim in a criminal trial. so i think that there will be a lot in this book. normally a prosecutor might ask to look at what the ghe is plan to write because he don't want someone either giving away the case or creating prior inconsistent statements that can be used against him at trial. on the other hand, comey is a former prosecutor. he knows what the mueller team will be using. so i think what will be in there is very interesting. >> and this book is not only for americans to read, it will be for bob mueller and miss investigators to read. and so you have to ask what are
the two messages be in the same book. >> mr. comey has a long history at the fbi. so he will be very careful. he knows that there are multiple audiences, also overseas from the russians and others. so i'm looking forward to reading it very much. but i don't know how much it will affect the your all investigation. >> all right. john, nick, thank you both so much. dear foremothers, your society was led by a woman, who governed thousands... commanded armies... yielded to no one. when i found you in my dna, i learned where my strength comes from. my name is courtney mckinney, and this is my ancestrydna story. now with 5 times more detail than other dna tests. order your kit at ancestrydna.com
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>> well, after that, 13 companies have pulled their ads, among them trip sizer, hulu, johnson & johnson. friday i thingraham announced t they would be taking a vacation for ieaster. joining us with this week's watch for this, beth, those are just some of the things you will cover, but let's start with laura ingraham. >> i think what i'm watching for is whether anymore advertisers decide to bail and what fox news decides do about it. we have another new one that you didn't include on that list, bayer, which is a major pharmaceutical company. they pulled out of bill o'reilly's back when he was immediately thrust into a huge controversy around the news that fox network had paid out $13
million in settlements for women because of sexual assault he allegations against him. he was fired not that long after. so the question is whether fox will handle the situation in a similar manner. she went on vacation. o'reilly did as well. but i think that is where the similarities end. i think that the chances are that they decide to fire laura ingraham much less. let's face it, the allegation that she made that very offensive tweet about his colleges notwithstanding, it is not the same level of magnitude of the discovery that brill o'reilly had been responsible for this level of sexual assault forcing the company to pay out that level of payment. it was a very, very bad situation for fox, they really had no -- absolutely no ability to keep him along. in this case laura ingraham is just one of many conservatives cho have framed david hogs ong
politicaled ed adversary. so my guess is that more advertisers will bail, but fox will still keep her. >> and let's move to the race in wa wisconsin. >> and supreme court justice race in wisconsin, one of the few states that has political people, police races for judicial positions. this is turning into a barn burner race because in the age of trump, everything is a big deem. wisconsin more than any other state is so heavily politicized. wisconsin more than any other state is so heavily politicized. wisconsin more than any other state is so heavily politicized. wisconsin more than any other state is so heavily politicized. wisconsin more than any other state is so heavily politicized. sdot walk sd scott walker is running for re-election and he had to be pushed to replace a couple state legislators. he said he didn't want to hald a
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house. you see there on those red markers everywhere people will be marching today. >> so starting here at noon, thousands, hundreds of thousands, will be in washington to protest against gun violence. this is the march for our lives rally. it is all happening just months -- rather weeks after that deadly shooting in parkl d parkland, florida and now survivors are leading the call for stricter gun control. their concerns echoed around the world. >> adults are telling us to use common sense when driving, with alcohol and drugs. and i really do not see the common sense in gun laws. >> gun violence impacts our lives and that we're no longer going to wait for adults to take action on it. some of us can't vote yet, but we'll still hold our officials accountable. >> we're fighting for our lives as much as anyone else. there has to be something done about this. every day i get up and i go to school wondering if i'm going to have a school shooting at my school any day.
>> we have a team of correspondents with students as they prepare to rally against gun violence. we'll start with polo sandoval, he is traveling with students and parents from pittsburgh to washington. polo, they have been -- they started i guess at 3:00 a.m. this morning getting closer to the capital now. >> reporter: yeah, bright and early too. they have been on the road for the last several hours. they are d.c.-bound aboard one of four buses that left pittsburgh early this morning headed to washington, d.c. these are 250 young men and women and adult leaders of the community who not only are passionate about the issue of gun violence, but have also experienced it first hand including glenn grayson jr. who i'm joined by. gun violence has hit close to home for you with the loss of your brother. tell me about that. >> yes, my brother was a freshman at hampton university. he came home for the first time
like most students do, you know, do their laundry, say hello to their parents. he went to a party at cal u university during their homecoming time and a guy shot through the party, he killed my brother. he didn't know him, never met him. but he's not here today so i'm here as a lead organizer and his brother to make sure his memory is not in vain. >> reporter: clearly you feel more needs to be done. do you think we're seeing some progress particularly after parkland? >> yes, i mean the other day somebody asked is this the actual change. and i said that, you know, rosa parks wasn't the only person to sit down when she took a stand, it was people like on this bus. so there are people before us and after us, but i think we're at a movement where people are tired and enough is enough and we have to make that change and i'm brought to stand with youth
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going to listen to our voice, they will listen to our vote. and at the end of the day, she said it matters to them so much because they watched in horror on february 14th what happened in parkland. and as they felt for those students, dhee nthey could not internalize that they could be them as well. so that is prompting so many people to come out nep don't wa. they want to support all the parkland students who have traveled to be here in d.c. >> and of course we're talking about what is happening here. this is expected to be the largest of these rallies, but there are more than 800 planned around the world. here is the global map. all under the banner of march for our lives. of course this is a movement that started after the shooting on the 14th of february at parkland high school. global support this morning you're seeing dozens of people joined one of the florida shooting survivors for a demonstration as well. here is video of that.
>> also want to show you what was going on in australia. teenagers holding signs of support. and other rallies are planning in canada, south america, even in china. and just a bit ago we spoke to that student organizer about how she plans to keep this momentum going. >> for high school students specifically, it is terrifying. it is incredibly hitting close to home because we see these students in florida and we see our classmates. we see our friends. we see ourselves. and we are acutely terrified. and so we have to stand up. >> so i understand that you wanted to start the dmv chapter of students demand action, you started with just a few students and then what happened? >> we had ten people in my living room and then a week later we had 30 and we couldn't fit in my living room. and a week later, 150 and we were doing conference calls because we couldn't meet in
person. it blew up incredibly quickly. >> so what kind of conversations do you have when you get together? >> it's funny, because it will vary from what are you doing in your schools, what have you organized, what is our next initiative, to how are we going to get our classmates registered to vote, so-to-whto what are we for baracprom. and we are kids and we decided to organize around this issue. >> and so you talked about voter registration as an important element of this movement. every cycle people ask when are you think why people going to move the needle for a candidate, for an election. and this is a midterm, so less than expected for presidential election. why will this be different? >> well, young people are 30% of the american electorate and we're only getting bigger. we're now the biggest generation bloc that is alive today. so we have the power to change
kr outcomes. the question is will we turn out. and i think this is the turning point. every generation needs a reason to show up at the polls. for our generation, we're called the mass shooting generation. parkland will be that reason. >> again a live picture here of the folks gathering in washington. many of them are from parkland and their counterparts are also gathering. we'll take you to parkland, florida, talk to someone who is there. and still trying to reconcile what happened. and what they are doing today specifically to make sure it didn't happen again. stay close. my gums are irritated. i don't have to worry about that, do i? actually, you do. harmful bacteria lurk just below the gum line, and if you're not taking care of your gums, you're not taking care of your mouth. so now i use this. crest gum detoxify. introducing new crest gum detoxify... it works below the gum line and is clinically proven to neutralize harmful plaque bacteria and help reverse early gum damage.
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school in parkland, 234florida. and this morning people already starting to gather. organizers estimate up to a half million, maybe more, will rally in washington today. >> and cnn's caylee tar hung ka joining from us parkland where many say this is what finally tipped them off, the killing of 17 people there on february 14. we can hear the music behind you. the event is scheduled to start in a few hours. but they are really putting an action behind their protest, aren't they. >> reporter: and people are continuing to flow in. the program set to start in about an hour and a half. but it is hard to take a few steps in pine trails park without seeing a sign like this one, ask me about voting. six organizations on site today to help people here register to vote. and you are spearheading the
effort. what is the goal for you today? >> the goal is to get as many people registered or pre-ren pre-registered to vote. we want change and the best way do this is to vote. >> reporter: tell me about the conversations you're having with your classmates. you are 15. you can't vote tomorrow, but you can vote in 2020. what conversations are you having about the responsibility you feel? >> so the conversations we're having is we're so passionate about this and we they ever wha never never want to happen gwenn. again. people say where can i go, i don't want this to happen again. and i tell them. >> reporter: what impact do you think first time voters like some of your peers can have on an election? >> i think a lot of times 18 to 25-year-olds don't vote. but if we can change that and have the 18 to 25-year-olds
vote, question change elections. >> reporter: and you will be speaking on this stage in a little bit. what will your message be to the proud? >> my message is to get 17 other people to vote. vote for the people who can't. and so we don't have to lose another 17 ever again. >> reporter: what do you think we can expect in terms of turnout here for this march that will visit your high school and return here to this park? >> are so i just spoke to someone and they said around 35,000 people that will march with us and should hear the rally. so a huge impact. >> reporter: you've been a part of organizing today. how does that make you feel when you recognize the possibility that that many people could turn out to support you, your school and this community? >> i'm speechless. but we'll continue this movement and i think by voting and sending out reminders to vote after this march again, we'll be speechless at midterm elections again. >> reporter: today is not the
end, the beginning for you all. intere . >> exactly. >> one of the young people speaking there. kaylee hartung, thank you. >> so let's talk with our panel. we have a security analyst, and also from the weekly standard, and also our political commentator and also national executive director of the college republican national committee. thank you everybody for being here. so you can see there they are putting action behind this saying listen, right now you will hear our voice. give us a little bit of time and you will hear our vote. any indication that congress is actually listening and paying attention to what is coming down the pipeline here? >> i think for republicans we should be very concerned. i mean, you think about the demographics that are impacted by this, that demographic doesn't typically vote for republicans. and if there is a reason, if there is enough encouragement for them to mobilize and actualize their pain, their frustration, that is not a very good thing for republicans at
all. so i think republicans should take heed of their critiques and perhaps attempt to do something to move the needle forward on this. >> and historically gun rights advocates have been single issue voters. it is the gun control advocates who have not been single issue voters. and if this generation looks first at your position on back ground checks and minimums to purchase, that could certainly change a lot of these seats. >> you're right. and i think republicans should already be nervous looking at all of the elections, special elections since donald trump became president. it hasn't been good for republicans at all. but to me, there has been a lot of extremism on this issue and why can't people have some reasonable positions, right, more back ground checks, maybe not every single gun needs to be available to every single person. but i do think that what people are worried about and the single issue voters have been worried
about, is in the first step to getting rid of guns entirely. and i think that some of them are a little bit of a conspiracy theorist, but a fair point. i think a lot of gun control advocates, they do eventually want to get rid and make all guns illegal. and that is why so many of the voters are nervous about any laws even some that are reasonable, they are worried is that the first step to getting rid of guns and the second amendment entirely. >> a lot of people at the center of the conversation who are making decisions who say they should get rid of all guns. i think a lot of people who -- and gus let me get you to weigh in on this -- who are at least part of the conversation influential members say that they respect the second amendment. however, weapons of war as they characterize them should not be made available to people for protecting their family or protecting their home. there your perspective, do you -- what did you see? >> well, sure, look, in-politicians should really take heed of what is going on
here. let it serve as a cautionary tale if they have not learned from what happened in 2012 originally where the youth vote was effectively what decided the presidential election in many states. and really what helped decide the presidential election in many states in 2016. so look, if you are not looking at the bigger picture here and seeing that there needs to be some sort of reforms institutesed -- i know the house recently passed some bills. there is action being taken. these politicians should really be looking at this incoming youth vote, young people that are signing up to vote especially in the midterms, and truly taking a step forward to making something happen. these students have been through a lot and it is important that we stop tragedies like these happening in the future. >> president trump tweeted about bump stocks saying the obama administration legalized bump stock. bass idea. as i promised the department of justice will issue the rule
banning bump stocks with a mandated comment period. we will ban all devices that turn legal weapons into illegal machine guns. it seems to be that these kids have mobilized enough, president trump on some levels, he listened. he is paying attention. >> he is, but he is making this divisive again. this didn't happen in a vacuum. our enemies are benefiting from the fact that we know that an average of 13,000 people will die this year from gun related incidences. and we're willing to just accept that. we are so divided as a country that we're willing to say 13,000 people will die. name any other strong country that is willing to take on 13,000 of its people dying and that is exactly why the russians for example are promoting these kind of divisive messages including from president trump because it makes us look weak abroad. >> one of the questions that i have after any of these large spectacles, and i don't use spectacles in a dismissive way, but just in the withdraw
defini raw definition of passion. >> you can't miss it. >> that's right.hdraw raw definition of passion. >> you can't miss it. >> that's right. what then will be the impetus to move this forward? everyone has come to washington. members of congress aren't here. the president is in florida. but how will they continue to keep this on the front burner, how will they continue to get people to pay attention regardless of your view on what the legislative fix should be? clearly something has to change. >> i completely agree with that. you just showed a young lady that was interested in registering students to vote. i think that is the first step to truly pressuring congress into taking action not yesterday -- excuse me, 234089 tomorrow, but yesterday. and we need some sort of solution to this to prevent these tragedies from happening in the future. and congress i think will
listen. when they are seeing voters that have been previously deciding presidential elections and in some instances in 2014 in some races deciding congressional elections, they will listen. they will take heed and obviously do something about it. but i think the first step is to register to vote and exercise your civic doouft. a duty. and make sure that they are listening. >> all right. we'll take a quick break, but a lot more to talk about. we'll keep our eye on these marches. >> and andrew mccabe is writing a scathing op-ed in the "washington post," calls the president's tweets about him unhinged and says accusations about his accused lack of candor are untrue. [whistling] hello. give me an hour in tanning room 3. cheers! that's confident. but it's not kayak confident. kayak searches hundreds of travel sites to help me plan the best trip. so i'm more than confident.
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critics of this president and this was prettying calling the president's tweeting celebrating his firing unhinged. >> definitely. and i think the problem right now is we have allegations from all sides that undermine the credibility of doj. we have the president who has been on a twitter storm about the fbi, about doj and trying to politicize it. and we then have a lot of dedicated public services like mccabe and sally yates and others saying there has been partisanship within doj. so does this paint a narrative that the department of justice is in some way broken and does that help the russian's mission in showing that our government institutions aren't working? >> in a sense, gus, is there a sense that what russia set out to do in terms of the days on and the confusion, that it is working? >> well, lookon and the confusion, that it is working? >> well, look it is troubling certainly what is happening here. but look, i think beyond look -- looking beyond the russian
narrative here, i think that we should truly look on to see what he is going to say in this op-ed as a matter of, you know, looking at what is going on here in general. truly take heed as to what a former member of the fbi and obviously the surveillance community here in this country is saying, flight right? we need to institute some reforms especially coming down from the president how this is done, right? >> the question also is how it was executed. his firing. which he said it was like disembodied, impersonal, some of the words he used on this. >> and coming after tillerson. >> let's put up a portion of the op-ed that was published in the "washington post" last night. i've been accused of lack of can door. that is not true. i did not knowingly mislead or lie to investigators.
of course the firing was rested on these recommendations from the office of the inspector general, the office of professional responsibility saying that that was the point. and he goes to -- he tries at least to explain how that just isn't holding water. >> and i have to say i'm a little skeptical. the office of inspector general, these are serious people who take their jobs very seriously. and honestly the fact that donald trump in a tweet has criticized the inspector general saying hey, we should have a separate investigation, why are you letting this inspector general -- this is full of obama people doing this. well, that is why i think that if they are saying that this andrew mccabe laid, i think that they did a very serious investigation. and i'm sure he had his chance to explain to them land and they made the recommendation. i will say, though, that president trump as usual is his own worst enemy. if he had not tweeted so much about andrew mccabe, we wouldn't be wondering did this firing have anything to do with the
fabt the preside fact the president didn't like him. if he had just let the process take -- >> that is the problem. because we haven't seen the in-speck tore generin inspector general's report, but we have seen the president trump's tweet of 90 days to go until he retires with full benefits. you know, mccabe now as he wrote in his initial statement said that his family had been silent, no more. imagine -- i guess we can expect more of this from andrew mccabe. >> look, i think when you think about president trump there is a heightened level of in-enity tud as it relates to leadership and a lot of the chaos that you are seeing spread out to the various agencies are because of the lack of leadership that comes from the president. you cannot treat people in a disrespectful manner and expect them to be mute, to expect them to be silent and not say nothing at all. and the president has shown he has no regard for anyone but himself. when you create that type of
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on the lefthand side of your screen, those are many, some there parkland, who are here in washington, d.c. this hour for the march for our lives as they are protesting gun violence. they want to see new gun restrictions and legislation passed. on the right hand side of your screen, those are the people in parkland where 17 people were shot. students shot of course on february 14th. you can imagine that the people on the right hand side of the screen are cheering on those people on the left who have come to address the white house and congress. even though president trump isn't here, even though congress people are not here, they are off for spring break, but their voices are still very loud and they are not going to be able to get away from what is happening in d.c., in parkland, and in over 800 other rallies that we know are going to be taking part today. >> dianne gallagher is with some students in washington at a breakfast being hosted by
parkland. what are you seeing there? >> reporter: yeah, this is the 345r7b8g marjory stoneman douglas breakfast before they go to the march. they are making posters, getting in a good meal. it is cold here, so they are staying warm here and then they will march together to the march for our lives, the station there. and kai, we met when you were on that bus to tallahassee going to florida to make change. you guys got something done in florida. if this this goes as well as you think it will, what does progress look like? >> this boils down to mental health. we want d.c. to be the known as the birth place of societal reform. if we want to change the way that schools deal with the mental health care of their students. >> reporter: do you really feel like a march, even if you get half a million people here, do you feel like that will convince
congress? >> absolutely. obviously strength in numbers. and half a million people and countless others watching as well. so we're at the point where they can't ignore us anymore. >> reporter: thanks so much. and again, we've been following the students since the start of this. and just to see them all here together, they are excited. but they are also very nervous too today. >> all right. dianne gallagher, we appreciate it. >> and a sacramento community is yut ragnl outraged after the death of a 22-year-old unarmed black man shot and killed by police. hundreds swarmed downtown yesterday in protest. >> and police did release video of the incident that happened this week. and i just want to give you a heads up, the video is disturbing. according to officials, the two officers involved, and here it is as they were going to that
backyard, they fired 20 rounds at clark. they believed he was pointing a gun. the only thing that they recovered however at the scene was a cellphone. and the incident is we know under investigation. >> joining us now is devante clark, his brother. and of course our condolences to you you and your family. when you first saw this video. what went through your mind, what did you feel and think? >> i -- i felt like when i seen the video, is that what you said? >> yes. the body cam video. >> i never watched the video. i've never seen the video. i never watched it on the news. never turned it on. whenever i see it, people put in
their songs and in their clips and they share it, i never watch the video. i don't want to see that video. never ever. ever. >> tell me about your brother. >> he was hilarious. he loved his children. he loved his children. he was a great father. that's why i got a this go understand me dogo understand me do gofundme for his children. he loved his grandmother, his children. he was great. he just loved. he loved, loved, loved. and people are just trying to destroy and discredit him for the father that he was, he was just a great perfect being. a perfect father. the kids loved him. they loved him. >> so there have been rallies and protests since your brother was killed. one last night. what are you calling for, what
do you want to change? >> i'm calling for my city to come up and show out. i'm so proud of sacramento, never been so proud of y'all. i've never been so proud of my city. i've never been so proud, you know. they probably did a little couple things at the same time they have been together out there. they have been together strong. and they are doing it all for my brother to see that all for my brother, shut down freeways, shut down basketball arenas, kings owners having to address the situation. this is deeper than that. ain't nobody ever loved us but our city. nobody reached out but people from our city. no obamas, no trumps. all we got is us. they looked out for us. i'm so proud of my city. i'm so proud of y'all. thank you. thank you. i'm so proud of them. >> we are so sorry for the loss of your brother. and for the road that you have to walk. >> i don't -- i don't need you
to be sorry because i don't do nothing with i'm sorry, okay? i need to you pray for me because we got this. we tired of the stories and trying to exploit our pain. we're trying to move forward, we're trying to bring peace and justice. we want community centers, libraries, our own security teams. we're trying to get a result as to stefon clark. trying to bring us together. >> all right. stevant e678 stevante, thank you so much for spending some time with us and our condolences to you. >> stefon, i love you. love you. >> thank you. >> and best of luck with everything. >> thanks for being with us. smerconish is next. ♪ the fastest samsung ever demands t-mobile, the fastest network ever. because fast should be fast.
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accomplished in one meeting. he tried the down play expectations in that but we don't have the idea of what future conversatio would look like, would he extend the time next week. have another one in a matter of months, we to be know any of that. but getting things done on the front end is something they are concerned about. local countries have a lot ride on it. and the president has a lot of shake. we heard from shinzo abe praise for the president to get it thisser if a. there are questith appearances of success versus the substantive success that needs to be determined next week and beyond. president trump may sn be forced to testify under oath thank to multiple depositions he might be facing. on tuesday a judge in new york ruled that president trump must sit for a deposition in a denamation lawsuit brought by a former apprentice contestant. she accuse had imsexual assault
inconsistent there itruth,nd there is truth adjacent statements and outright lies. it's different -- the stakes are different wn ifngnder oath. >> right. >> andow we see how popular a potential deponent he is. and as you alluded too, there it is not a yes orthovs. ether will be required tof thot throw in robert mueller for extra fun. >> if you are -- if the president does -- if he is caused to be deposed in any one of these things, are there any rules or can anything happen in any deposition? >> depositions are meant to be opportunities to gather information. they are generally fairly loosely run. a lawyer is present. and he can object or she can object to the line of a question. typically, the questioning keeps going, and objections are held. obviously, were the president to be deposed he would be represented by counsel and it will be a very tough situation. on the other hand the president has spoken about how much he is wig from time to time to testify, even to robert mueller.
so we would he to see where he comes out. for now, certain in the summer zervos case his lawyers have protested. one of the arguments they make is he is simply too busy. but there is supreme court precedent, you may remember fron no one is above the law. that's what the judge in this case has said. >> can donald trump'sit law on what the deposition can include. >> anything is possible. they can argue there ought to be limits. it is not a full pg expedition. take the defamation case, it has to focus on the let me of the case. significantly here, it was before he was serving as president, which will make it possibly f that deposition to go forward. >> we know you can't lie if you are being interviewed by the fb yoknow youan't lie in front of a grand jury. what aut for a deposition? >> same rules, you can't lie. >> i woke up this morning to comments that rudy giuliani had made at a conference in israel
about why he doesn't believe that stormy daniels has much credibility. i thought we had largely litigated these things in the past, right, that the idea that he said she is a porn star -- do we have this? can we play it our audience? i don't know if we have got it. > kno donald trump -- look at his three wives. beautiful women, classy women. women of great substance. stormy daniels? i respect all human beings. i eveno respect criminals. but i'm sorry, i don't respect a porn star the way i respect a career woman or a woman of substance, or a woman who has great respect forer as a woman and as a person and isn't going to sell her body for sexual exploitation. >> so i respect all human beings. i even respect criminals, but i'm not going to respect a porn star. i hope the legalystem doesn't subscribe to this. >> you know, there is no barrier
for her based on her line work to bring the claim she has brought. my reanha isy daniels is an entrepreneur in an industry where the customers are largely men of the it would be prudent for lawyers or men in general to tamp that line down. >> i was shocked. i was surprised that somebody would think -- if you are representing the president or any cli t you would put e of argument forward. certainl has legal basis. i guess what we are wondering is atmospherically does it really help the case? i would argue not so much. >> it was kind of gross to hear. lisa green, legal analyst. coming up, republicans are split about what to do about immigration but some are optimistic that progress might be made. the republican congressman who supports the docket's disposition. and still ahead, the president prepares for the7
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don't worry too much about the term. basically it is a move that would move immigration legislation out ond onto the house floor for a real detend a vote. such a move two course speaker paul ryan to call on aill he doesn't like or isn't sure he has the support for. house democrats joined about 23 republicans in congress using this maneuver to force a vote fo immigtion proposals. they almos enosignates tpull th. speaker ryan trying to hold off an a hisuthors and prevent mayhem in the republican conference is trying to hold the line. he is negotiating with the various fashions top with a unifi gop plan for immigration legislation to introduce sometime later this summer. all of this comes at a time at a time when arrests at the u.s. border with mexico are on the upswing. topping 50,000 in may for the
third straight month. joining a republican congressman from nevada w supports the petition. this is not just a matter of supporting something onhe me it is rrie y like many members of the congress on both sides of the aisle are frustrated with the fact we haven't moved forward on some meaningful immigration legislation legisl >> you are description of the procedural tool th the discharge petition is and leading into this is pretty darn accurate. you for ischarge petition doesn't mean i'm going the vote specifically on any one of those. but it meents i want the legislative process, i want a chance to go to rules committee and offer amendments. and i wan a cnc to vote on the floor. you say why is that? it's like does anybody think the status quo is working regardless of what your plitsds are? >> that's right. we have had this conversation, and it's meaningful for you and your constituents to get this done. i'm not bothered by the fact that not all republicans are not
on the same side. that is the beauty of our pluralistic republican democracy. but is there enough common ground to get something happening? >> i don't know. i mean the senate tried voting king of the hill. they had a vota on this and they didn't pass anything. that could be in the result in the house, too. but to be prohibited as being reported forr against something when you are a legislator is a curious thing. rememberthe es ge us ch 6th adline, 90 days in the rearview mirror now. when we talk about what is the magic of continuing to do nothing? you have got me. >> already some issues on immigration where there is not commongreement amongst republicans and certainly not agreement with democrats on the border wall, this is issue that's very for people the come to terms with. but on the issue of some solution for the dreamers forth almost of one mine on this.
i think most republicans want some resolution to this. what does it down to? that some republicans are okay with a path to citizenship for >> you know, when you look at ? that particular issue you say years.e president was citizenship was at the end. bob god lat was talking three years but he had to keep signing up. that's fine. put together on the floor and let's see what the amendment process produces and then see what people actually vote for. this bit where we are saying i don't want the bring something unless i know, et cetera a going to be signed into law. withllue respect i don't kn anybodyho a 100% crystal ball here. remember when we took health care to the floor? guess what? we took the hard votes and it didn't get into law. are we supposed to shut everything down? no. >> that's the process that your nstituents want to see, some legislative process. this is the part that frustrates people, things stuck in committee and conversations go
on in the small groups but -- >> it is tough to defend nothing. judge me by how i vote. that's thisbusiness. give me a chanc the vote. setting up this hurdle thatsi d unless i know it's going to pass is like -- well f we did everythinghat way we probably wouldn't have a country right now. >> what do you say to those people -- i did it -- i was a bit tongue in cheek when i said speaker paul ryan is holding off a mutiny. it isn't muteny but it is a coma i think to the way leadershipngs s be done. through committee and such. how do you see pushing back on the leadership. >> there3ep that have a higher voting percentage with the president than the speaker is. this isn't a bunch of people running around trying to tear
things down. secondly, there is probably general agreement on 80%f e issues. are we going to let the perfect be the competitor to the good? after this long -- the last tim we were listening to cassette decks. some of your viewers don't even know wha cassettes are. >> good to talk to you. comi u nex wll other side of the immigration debate among republicans. bob good lat will join mefter the break about why he doesn't want the discharge petition to be happening and what he is proposing in its place. ♪ most people come to la with big dreams. ♪
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retaliatory tariffs, everything from lamps to pork and cheese to flat steel. some of the tasks aimed at the agricultural sector are set to double nex month testimony retaliatory tariffs hit $3 billion of american gd flowing across the border to the south. the european union is targeting similar commodities including whiskey,ycles, denim, tobyio, juices and more. those tariffs target $3.4 billion worth of goe goods flowing from the united states across the atlantic ocean. canada is ting the hardest stance. in addition to some of the same items targeted by mexico and the eu, they plan to hit pizza, chocolate, paper prodawn mothers, household appliances, shaving creams, soaps, pat res asks playing cards and more. do you know what you have to do to canadians to make them put a
tariff on kegs, beer kegs? the canadian tariffs are going to hit $12.8 billion worth of american products. all together three of our biggest trading partners are putting tariffs on nearl $30 billion worth orts f the united states. now the u.s. tariffs and the retaliatory measures come as president trump prepares to head to canada for this weekend's g7 summit. the president is going to face angry allies when he m with the leaders of canada, the ance, germany, italy, and japan. trump imposed these tariffs because of concerns about chinese steel flooding the market and hurting american companies. instead, this has turned into a full-blown trade war with some of america's closest allies. joining us now to have a closer look at this, jane harmon, president of the woodrow wilson center and linda yu a professor at oxford university and author
of the book, what would economists do. thothf you for being here. >> thank you. >> thanku. >> listen darks what you right about in your book, you about back to some of the emis the1700s and 1800s when bryn was the big economy in the world. their understanding of the fact that if you have a trade deficit -- if you are a wealthy country and you have trade deficits with other countries thinkore creatively. it's not necessarily a bad thing that you use t cash that you have t buy other people's cheaper goods. >> you think about why for instance america has a trade deficit. it has had a trade deficit since at least the second world war. a lot of it is because if you have a stronger dollar you can actually buy more goods. it helps your own economy. i should also say that one of the lessons from ricardo some of the great economists is that all economies are based on trade being free.
but it is a not. another approach would be to say listen the biggest thing america produces are services. it is a hard to sell services globally. it's not as open as selling, say, aer ka. therefore, let's open up the services market,t america is really good at. that would improve the trade balance and probably make our allies not so angry. >> that's an interesting partf though is that we have in terms of manufacturing workers in ica,oth parties have been responsible for spinning a tale that somehow we are going to make things better for them. we are going to buy cheaper ods me in other countries by lower wage workers but we'll fix your problem in ever inning america. somehow. i don't know what we are going to do for them. we we always promised them we would do something. they fed up and voted for donald trump who said i'm going to do something for you. >> they got fed up. but to the just for that reason. automation is taking jobs
worldwide and we haven't figured out the next generation of good jobs for enough people. we also don't have our education system aimed at train people forn high school for some of those jobs. about you the other piece of this tt head spinning is how this administration doesn't lynch a to b to c. where are we getting in a trade war with europe and our closest allies based on the national security stion of the trade law when we are letting zte, this massive telecommunications firm in china, which does things that have huge national security implications off the hook? and why are we do this right now when t president is heading to europe -- to singapore next week to negotiate -- >> where we need our allies. >> a huge deal -- a potentially huge and possibly successful deal with north korea? why are we doing this. >> linda, the fact is one of the great thing about trade when done right over all of history -- you look back at some
of the small nation states used to trade with everyone, because they had peace with everyone. maybe they had peace because they traded with everyone. but there is a relationship between good trade and peace. so where you are looking for a world with more peace, keeping your eyes on board is probably a good strategy. >> it is a good strategy. what we have learned is that globalization if done right really does bring prost pair. we have seen a lot of that around the world. i think the problem with the moving workers is that globalization hasn't helped everybody. >>rit. there a tse who have been left behind. not just by globalization, but also by technology. if you look at the hollowing out of the middle class, median wages in this country have been stagnant for four decades. that made people say the status quo doesn't work we want something different. i think that is legitimate. however how you get to the better outcome, i think that is the he could. in order for you to have a better trade relationship with your major trading partner --
the european union is our major trading partner. you ought to have a trade agreement, l t tip which was done under president obama's administration but since stalled. >> if you talk about national security, to get back to that, economic security is part of national security. pulling out of tpp at the beginning of the trump administration strainedur economic relationships with our partners in asia who we need as a buffer against china and to h north korea. prime minister abe is visiting with president trump i think right this minute i'm sure with both issues. both about trade, and about his fear that he could be abandoned in a deal with north korea. >> if we had stayed in the tpp our influence in asia would have remained bigger than it is right now. >> they are moving along without us. >> yeah. >> i'm worried that all of these regions will move along without us. how is it going to look in four or five years if we don't have
anybody to trade with and they are all trading with each other. >> an important moment in time. this is a great book, what would the great economists do. thank you ladies. now back to another key issue i was talking about earlier, immigration. as house republicans continue to negotiate a way the get an immigration bill to the floor some republicans are arguing for a return to regular order. speaker paul ryan spoke positively of the traditional legislative process earlier today. >> i think what -- members were running a discharge petition because they were worried that we weren going the take action, that they weren't going to be able to have votes on the floor for policies they like. but inmembers also realize -- i think members also realize a tis charge petition will not make law. i think they are appreci that we hahe right
conversations happening and our next step is putting pen the paper so we can get legislation to the floor. >> to that end, everybody is agreed that we need to at some point get some legislation. with me, bob good lat the chairman of the house judiciary committee. congressan ma, good see you. i smoke tok ab aday moments ago about on the with aing to have something. wants his constituents to see there is debate amongst members of congress and some vote on something, given that you all seem to want some resolution to this outstanding immigration matter. what's your view? >> i agree that he would want to pass legislation. not just take it up and vote on it. but pass it. put pressure on the senate to take up this issue again and ultimately get a bill to the president so we can make progress on both securing our borders and closinges our immigrationlaws. and moving moored toward a merit immigration system, and doing something good for the daca
recipients so that they have the opportunity to remain in this country permanently and have some -- at a special pathwo citizenship, not something unique to them, but the opportunity to avail themselves of the pathways that people who immigrate to the united states can afford themselves of now. so this is a very positive development that the pressure is on to do somethin i have been very pleased by. i don't think the discharge petition is the right way to go. that's more likely to yield an unbalanced approach. but the meeting we had this morning was very productive and we are hard at work. >> you have seen some republicans who have been interested in the discharge position seem to have taken a wait and see view. they will hold up for a little bit to see what you come up. but some of the complaints that and their superintendents have, is that the last time we dealt with immigration in america, in the
congressman's words, we were listening to cassette tapes. most of america want to see something done with the dreamers. there may be some dispe -- let's play what mark said about ways for looking at the path for citizenship or not for dreamers. let's listen together. >> when you look at that particular issue, you say well the president was talking ten or 12 years, citizenship was at the end of the gob good lat was talking three years and you had to keep signing up. it's like, that's fine. put something on the floor and let's see what the amendment process produce asks see what people actually vote for. >> congressman, what's your view on what to do with the dreamers. americans overwhelmingly, including republicans, overwhelmingly want a solution to this problem. >> i agree. as a former immigration lawyer myself i am certainly sympathetic toheir point. here the point. i think we need to assure and the bill i introducedh mccall, and labrador and
mcsally, that bill gave them a permanent right to remain in the united states as long as they didn't commit a serious crime and the opportunity to avail themselves of existings to citizenship. it did originally require a renewal every three we moved that to six years. would talking aut what that length of time should be but we right to remain , a statutory right not at the whim of one president or anotherut co citizenship where ty get thing thaeoe who the c avail themselves of as well and get ahead of people who are sometimes on a very long waiting list who want to come to the united states legal flee. >> they are not eliminated from being in the line. they are just not given li. they are put this the back of it? >> correct. >> do you think there is re hope at what youe proposing
something that gets voted on any time inhe nr future. >> yes because these meetings have been very product. and the conference meeting today i think reflected ae on the part of the overwhelming forward with a solution here. but members who sign the discharge petition and members who are s our most conservative members in our congress are working tether to come up with solutions to this problem and allow us to bng a bill to the floor is this congressman thank you for joining us. congressman bob good lat of virginia. we will stay close to the story. coming up, facebook and its data controversy in china. for at least a decade the social media giant allowed chinese companies to access your merge date. new revelations are shining light on the data sharing agreements, some of which are in place. why you should be concerned and what facebook has to say about when we come back. you are watching msnbc. and this is frank's record shop. frank knowns northern soul,
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the company could access stayed on urs phones and not on its servers. a 2012 congressional report expressed concerns that the chinese government could use the company to spy on americans. the federal government has banned the sale of huawwei devices on military locations. there are three other companies who had access as well. if you bought a smart tv on black friday there is a chance you could own one of these devices. facebook could be in trouble with the ftc over these partnerships because some of the deals went into place after it reached a deal with the agency to more tightly control access to your data. facebook isn't the only company under scrutiny over a deal with huawei. the "wall street journal" reports members of congress want to know more about an agreement
that they have with google. that deal allows their devices which run on the android operating service to use the android messaging service to send texts and other media. they want to know if that deal has any information sharing. joining me now, an early and current investor in facebook skpk an early investor in google. you seem to be precious end. you seem to foresee where these problems are going to be. i am not going to get ahead of ourselves here because there is more to come possibly. but you suspected this would be the case. put this into terms that my view remembers going to understand. >> in simple terms, facebook saw an opportunity to get on to cell phones when smart phones first began. they didn't have a product that would work on every device. so they did a work around. they basically said, we want you guys to access our data and create an experience that is a
facebook-like experience. >> right. >> and that required them to give up the date. the problem with that is -- >> enmeaning you didn't have necessarily the facebook app on your phone. >> you definitely didn't. >> but you could use the messaging and everything that fell like and looked like facebook. >> they didn't have an official babe app. they gave the part it could, and these guys created the rest of the experience inside the phone. the problem with that is that they legally were required by the federal trade commission to have prior consent. >> right. >> informed prior consent from the user. they didn't get that. >> part of the argument that facebook might make. but part of the issue is that they didn't have facebook in china. so this was their way of accessing the chinese market with their product. >> that doesn't get them off the hook relative to the ftc. this is a patterned behavior. we saw with it cambridge analytic. we are seeing it with smart phones. we are going the see it other
other product types. i suspect we will see it in game consoles. >> anything connected that you have information on. >> anything connected that facebook might sit on. they wanted to be on everything. >> yau. >> when the move came they are initially reluctant to look at mobile. they weren't as prepared for the opportunity of 4g and smart phones as they might have been. >> yeah. >> given limiting timing and the large number of manufacturers they cut some corners. >> is that mitigating for them? at some point there is going to be increasing pressure. the europeans have already taken action. there is going to be inpreecing pressure for americans to take real meaningful action as it relates to privacy as it relates to facebook. >> i believe that facebook is going the lose the freedom of action it enjoyed its entire life. >> right. >> i don't think how long it's going to -- i don't know how long it's going to take for regulations to kick in -- if facebook were smart -- right now they are not behaving that way. but if they were smart they
would anticipate the changes and stop the drip and drip of news and sit there and go wait a minute we basically let everybody have everybody's data. >> that's the conclusion we are coming to. >> we know that happened. because they didn't see a problem with it. from their point of view it was a legitimate thing. these aren't the customers, these are the products. the users. they don't have a help desk for users. they have help desks for advertisers. ? right. >> in that scenario there is more to come. this is really important stuff because facebook is not the only company that's going to be guilty of things like this. but they have frankly embarrassed themselves so badly with they've handled it that they have attracted all the attention. and, you know, it's a huge issue. users have been exploited for economic gain by people who showed absolutely no, you know, no care in what they were doing. and that has to change. i mean -- >> but it strikes me there is a
road out for platform -- >> they have a position that is so powerful that if they were to do the right thing, they would sail happily into the sunset. the problem is doing the right thing going to reduce the numbers. there is no way to fix these privacy issues, to fix the election security issues, and to fix the monopoly issues or to fix any of the other things that are wrong here without reducing their earnings. but the thing that's interesting is that facebook's opportunity to monetize its marketplace, to monetize cash transfers over messenger -- >> that's huge. >> it's still going to be phenomenally successful. they are already billionaires. it's like guys be start. the alternative is to fight a war of attribution against governments that will inevitably
wear them down. >> no meaningful impact to them of the european decision -- which is good. their imposition of privacy. >> in fairness, both google and facebook, we have done tests they designed the dialogue boxes that give you the informed consent so that your eyes pass over the things that they tell you. people pass over the same ole thing. people are not standing up for their own rights. >> they have got them. >> which is a powerful position in facebook. you control both sides. >> you have handed over our information and our rights to privacy. >> this is why they are so crazy to not concede the problem because their situation is so powerful they would be better off. >> thank you. we'll be right back. you are watching msnbc. - learning from him is great... when i can keep up! - anncr: thankfully, prevagen helps your brain and improves memory. - dad's got all the answers.
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summit that will take place on june 12th in singapore. back on march 8, chairman kim jong-un expressed his desire to meet with president trump as soon as possible. and then on may 9th, i met with chairman kim jong-un in pyongyang and explained america's expectations for denuclearization. at that time we also secured the release of three americans. kim dong-chul, tony kim and kim dong song. we view that's a sign of good will from chairman kim jong-un. the united states and north korea have been holding direct talks in preparation for a summit and north korea has confirmed to us its willingness to denuclearize. a comprehensive whole of government effort in support of president trump's upcoming summit is underway. white house and state department-led advance teams are finalizing logistical preparation ands will remain in place in singapore until the summit begins. the president continues to follow every development closely
and is getting daily briefings from his national security team. the fact that our two leaders are coming to the table shows that the two sides are very serious. the diplomatic model used today is different from past efforts. our efforts give us hope we can find real success where past efforts have fallen short. president trump is hopeful, but he's also going into the summit with his eyes wide open. we've seen how many inadequate agreements have been struck in the past and you can be sure president trump will not stand for a bad deal. united states has been clear time and time again that complete verifiable and irreversible denuclearization of the korean peninsula is the only outcome that we will find acceptable. the president recognizes that north korea has great potential and he looks forward to a day when sanctions on the dprk can begin to be removed. however, that cannot happen until the dprk completely and
verifiably eliminates its weapons of mass destruction programs. president trump and chairman kim will certainly also discuss security assurances for the dprk, establishing a peace regime and improving relations between our two countries. until we achieve our goals, the measures that the world alongside the united states has put on the regime will remain. in the event diplomacy does not move in the right direction, these measures will increase. throughout the entire process the united states has been unified with japan and south korea in response to the threats from north korea. i will be traveling with my -- excuse me. i will be traveling to meet with my japanese and south korean counterparts after the summit to continue to coordinate with them. i will also stop in beijing following the singapore summit. i will provide them with an update and underscore the importance of fully implementing all sanctions that are imposed on north korea.
president trump recognizes north korea's desire for security and is prepared to ensure a dprk free of its weapons of mass destruction is also a secure north korea. president trump has made it clear that if kim jong-un denuclearizes there is a brighter path for north korea and its people. we envision a strong connected secure and prosperous north korea that is integrated into the community of nations. we think that the people of the united states and north korea can create a future defined by friendship and collaboration and not by mistrust and fear. we believe that chairman kim jong-un shares this positive vision for the future and we are committed to find a path forward and we assume and hope that that belief is sincere. we are looking forward to being in singapore in just a few days. >> as a reminder, we'll take a few questions before the secretary has to depart. roberta? >> what progress have you made
in narrowing the gap in your understanding of denuclearization and north korea's definition of denuclearization? has there been progress in bringing that definition closer together? >> yes. >> can you describe that a little bit? >> no. [ laughter ] >> that was quick. john. >> thank you, sarah. thank you, secretary pompeo. as you mentioned in your remarks, north korea in the past has reneged on prior agreements it has made with the u.s. government. so i have two questions for you. first question has to do with your experience meeting with kim jong-un. do you trust him? and my second question has to do with the negotiations that are upcoming with north korea. who, in your opinion, has the upper hand in the negotiations and why? >> so, with respect to your first question i have had the chance to meet with chairman kim jong-un twice now. i can tell you he is very capable of articulating the things that he is prepared to
do, present clearly the challenges that we all have to overcome. it's why the two leaders are meeting. it's an opportunity to lay those out clearly between the two leaders so that we can see if we can find a path forward together that achieves outcomes both countries want. your second question? >> who has the upper hand? >> yeah, we don't think about it in terms of who has the upper hand. we know this has been a long intractable challenge. it's gone on for decades. president has said repeatedly previous administrations weren't prepared to do what we've done already. it's not about who has the upper hand. it's about trying to find a way where you two sides can come to an understanding where we can get concrete steps, not just words to overcome the challenge. >> mr. secretary, the president said he doesn't believe he needs to prepare very much ahead of the summit. do you think that's a prudent arochi? also i want to get your reaction to rudy giuliani's comments that
kim jong-un got on his hands and knees to beg for the summit to go back on, whether he should be weighing in on these international affairs and whether you agree with that assessment. >> with respect to your second question, i took him as being in a small room and not being serious about the comments. i think it was a bit in jest -- >> do you think he could jeopardize the summit? >> we're moving forward. we're focused on the important things. i know rudy. rudy doesn't speak for the administration when it comes to this negotiation and this set of issues. with respect to your first question, progress, we're making progress inch by inch. we're going to travel there. this is different. the approach president trump is taking fundamentally difference. in the past there have been months and months of detailed negotiations and they got nowhere. this has driven us to a place we have not been able to achieve before. >> dave. >> thank you, mr. secretary.
the president said today if the singapore meeting goes well, he'd like to bring kim jong-un to washington possibly for further meetings. has kim jong-un invited the president to come to north korea? >> so, i don't want to talk to you about the conversations that have been had between the north korean side and the united states. i'll leave that for the president to talk to. but what i do want to get to, this comes back to the other question you asked about the president's preparation. so, in my previous role -- and i have said this before, you can look it up -- there were few days that i left the oval office after having briefed the president that we didn't talk about north korea. so, over months and months, days and days, president trump has been receiving did shall >> that wraps up this hour for me. i'm going to see you back here tomorrow 11:00 a.m. eastern with stephanie ruhle. thank you for watching. going to hand it over to my friend nicolle wallace with "deadline white house" right now. >> hi, everyone. it's 4:00 in new york.
A recap of the day's headlines and a look at what's in store for tomorrow.
believe we will not had those kind of sustained numbers again the 2008 recession they say me did at antiquated jobs especially in manufacturing. now replaced by automation and the industrialization of third world countries. new jobs are coming back and advanced manufacturing hence th need for retraining. that's what fourth generator engine manufacturer told the president in iowa on thursday. he's got 150 employees and need a lot more. >> the jobs are out there, everybody is seeing they are busier than they don't know wha to do bird were so busy that we've got guys on mandatory overtime and their great guys, just want more of them. i saw a guy or waiting less at the said he's here are hiring. i think that's a good sign. >> whether those gdp numbers ar sustainable may depend on whether employers like can fill those vacant jobs. one way to try to do that is by setting up expensive job retraining programs made possible in part by mr. trump corporate tax cuts.
fight jobs, the number of postings out there. this is all very good business optimism, consumer confidence it's out there. there are any number of pieces of data that are pointing towards a strong economy. i see that when i'm talking to voters here in western pennsylvania. >> as we look ahead to midterm elections, how will people feel a strong gdp? >> i think they see more money in their pocket, understand where we've we been the last eight years prior to this administration, the slowest economic recovery since the great depression that was out there. i remember the financial services committee chairwoman coming in to talk about the persistent economic headwinds, those headwinds are abated because of the regulatory form we've got the tax reform we've done. this is all very good news for the american small business committee the american consumer. take for your fellow republican
heading into those midterms? >> i think when we are here jus beginning the august recess, we will be able to talk to our voters into its happening out there. we also want to continue to do things that the american people because to do. we want to secure the border we want to take care of the immigration we had a very good bill a couple of years ago we came up short, we're going to continue to work on that. people want the border secured. we have drugs going across the border. we need to know he's coming int this country. the bill we had a couple of weeks ago was a strong bill. hopefully we can move forward o that bill. we have to continue reform efforts. it's helping the economy in the business sector. the people have a choice in november, do you want to go bac to a more stagnant economy are healthier economy. taxpayers are going to say we want more healthy economy and w don't want to pay more taxes, that's the chance that nancy
pelosi and the democrats are offering often right now which means canceling tax cuts. there is a great part of this tax bill that looks to communities across the country that have been starved of capital. they are drawn private-sector capital into these communities, that's good news for those communities. >> if you keep the gop no majority in november, work of this economy go potentially ove the next two years? >> i think you look at the economy we have none 1980s, you'll get the economy we have the 1990s sustained growth rate three, four, 5 percent in some quarters. you don't want to go backwards and continue to do what we did during the obama administration over regulate the economy havin people in washington, dc pick the winners and the losers, hav the people in washington, dc micromanage this aspect of the economy or that aspect of the economy. that's not the way the economy is supposed to work.
you want to have her for your academy economy that works for better economy. the democrats are having problems they have primaries in new york, we're we have people calling themselves democratic socialist. you look at the socialist website and they say they want to transition to a socialist society where the resources of democratically and socially controlled, that is a recipe fo paralysis of an economy. so no, we want to continue to move in the direction of her fo your economy that will bring more opportunity for people. >> thank you for your time, sir. could you think you. there is growing concern tonigh about china's long-term goals, american intelligence officials worry beijing has its sights se on replacing the u.s. is the to economic and military superpower . chief intelligence corresponden looks at the evidence. >> again, i would like to replete that there was no
collusion. >> we'll put new cycle remains fixated on russian meddling, th tops and diligence have worry more and said china is raising at the national security conference. we have economic espionage investigations in all 50 states that traced back to china. the long-term threat is clearly china bread that's a strategic competitor that we would to because the economic power of the country the size its ambitions. >> during a senate confirmation hearing. >> consistent with the rest of the intelligence community i believe china is one of our biggest focus areas, it certainly should be in terms of the threat now and the threat looking into the future. >> experts describe the as ambitious and designed to dominate the robotics and artificial intelligence by inquiring or stealing american secrets. this nondescript tyreis and suburban shanghai houses unit 61398 the chinese military unit is blamed for some of the
most aggressive and organized cyber attacks. this week the debate reached a senate panel where the u.s. trade representative defended tariffs against an aggressive china. >> if your conclusion is that china taking over all of our technology, then you are right. my view is that is how we got where we are. >> it goes beyond the threat of intellectual property to expand to its physical reads to the en dispute in the south china sea. >> is even spreading their influence whether it's in the pearl islands or whether it's a strategic ports and so forth. >> they've got a long-term strategy. the director of national intelligence emphasized that th u.s. must decide whether china is that your adversary or a legitimate competitor adding in the short-term, beijing must understand that the u.s. will n longer tolerate theft of american secrets. >> the helsinki summit with preston trump and russian
president vladimir putin has drawn criticism from across the political spectrum and now the prayer are rendering for round two. meanwhile the president inspiring back at his former personal lawyer michael cohen. allison barber has all the details tonight. good evening, allison. >> at first it was an invitatio for pretend to visit dc in the fall, then it was postponed two days ago, the white house said the meeting would take place after the rush of which end is over and after the first of the year now there's another invitation from russian president vladimir putin. >> we are ready for such a meeting. we're ready to invite president trump to moscow. i told him of this bread, bread to go to washington. i repeat, if the appropriate conditions for work or created. >> it unclear what those conditions are, but the white house seems to like the idea in a statement press secretary sir
and mrs. preston trump looks forward to having presidents putin in washington. as for michael cohen, the presidents former attorney of the man once known as his fixer he is reportedly willing to tel special counsel robert mueller that donald trump knew about th now notorious june 2016 trump tower meeting is first reported by cnn that the meeting were donald trump junior agreed to ms. witt who claim to have dirt on hillary clinton bridge from junior says he did not tell his father about the meeting before or after it took place and he told the senate judiciary committee when he testified before them, it's also what he told sean hannity and john >> it was such a nothing, there was nothing to tell. >> president trump used twitter to criticize the twitter twitte probe and the broad obstruction
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>> a democratic senator in indiana has agreed to meet with judge brett kavanaugh. tuch donnelly is the second democratic senator he is agreed to speak with judge kavanagh an his decision to do so reflects the testified he soon as he seeking reelection this fall. of course, mike tobin has more. >> indiana and comment senator joe donnelly is one of those re state democrats up for reelection in a pinch over president trump pick for the supreme court kavanaugh. the republican challenger is in a comfortable position as his opponent is now caught between the senate minority leader chuc schumer who vowed to fight the confirmation and the will of future voters who voted overwhelmingly by 19 points and favor a preston trump. i think it's tough when you belong to a party like joe does where he would like to vote otherwise, but he's got to chec was shaq schumer and every vote.
>> donnelly voting for kavanagh would not, so some complete surprise he's a pro-life democrat who voted to the present neil gorsuch. now he's under pressure to do the same for kavanagh. he came to the extreme left in new justice and protect our rights. >> the story remains the same. conservative, indiana, radio wh says donnelly should be given a unbiased look absence of politics. >> people are probably tired of this i think people want a beer hearing for this guy. when you are the democrats, and say sake were against the sky without even knowing who he is. where's the race neck and neck, indiana voters think you will need to cast a trump friendly vote petke i think he's going t have to vote in favor of the nominee and that we'll see wher the chips fall because he still could lose in november. donnelly has been noncommittal on the sensitive vote releasing only a statement saying he will take this the same approach he
did for those less supreme cour vacancy adding that he will carefully review and consider the record and qualifications o brett kavanaugh. many have her refuse the until they've produced paperwork abou his past presenter donnelly wen ahead and schedule the meeting anyway mike, back to you. >> mike tobin, think thanks a lot. >> time now for your real news roundup. six women coming forward tonigh accusing cbs chairman and ceo les mendez of past unwelcome an at times forceful advances according to a bombshell new yorker report from you noon in peril. he responded to the allegations in a statement the new yorker saying those were mistakes and regret them immensely. but i always understood and respected and abided by the principle that no means no and have never misused my position to harm or hinder anyone's
career. house minority leader nancy pelosi catching a lot of heat o social media referring to the 9/ 11 terror attacks as an incident. >> in fact, i said t some of yo before that when we had that 9/ 11 and that commission was formed, and they made the recommendations, they made recommendations to protect america. >> a harvard university sororit previously said that opposed a push to go coed says it will no longer just recruit women. l-uppercase-letter therapy that announcing it will disaffiliate from its national organization and rename it save the move follows recent efforts by the university to punish the heads of single-sex groups. talk about a prickly warning, a buzz feed technology reporter tweeting this about her experience on san francisco's transit system this morning.
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independent voters. is it a smart strategy? two nights panel is here to debate. cohost of the five year juan williams and the editorial director of the billy daily caller, thank you for being here . one, is that they key to winnin over moderates and democrats in the midterm elections? >> such an interesting strategy because thinking of it from a democrats point of view, i woul think that what happened in helsinki did not benefit the president, although afterwards polls indicated that republican voters did not move away from him on the basis of a harsh criticism he received even from some of his most loyal supporters. >> your reaction, and what abou using russia as a campaign issu westward? >> the presidents picked up during the helsinki event, so this is a guy who continues to
somewhat defy political gravity he's done this throughout his political career. also the idea that the democrat want to push russia as the thin to run on. i think we'll have some public and strategies that are excited about that. gallup tracks most important issue in the 22 percent say it' immigration. they can't even track concern about russia. it's not even above half a percentage point that's i think democrats may be getting this wrong entirely. they're picking an issue that americans don't care about that here in washington, airways going nuts. >> finn said it is republicans who are thinking of winning on this issue. >> know, democrats. >> some democrats are sounding the alarm about the upcoming midterms pray take a listen to chris murphy and i will get you guys to react. >> russians are white now as we speak attempting to interfere i the 2018 elections and they are regularly using their army of
bots, there army of internet trolls to support trumps agenda. >> so, this is a present and clear danger to the united states is not just about findin out what happened in 2016 is about stopping it today. finnes, is that over the top question my. >> to keep going over the routine meddling of the russians , the president has exposed that a lot of times. as of late, the white house has been big on all the cyber security efforts that they are undertaking to stop any incurred . >> no surprise that president trump is eager to sell the economy, take a listen to this. >> we are the economic envy of the entire world. the leaders of countries, the first thing they say invariably is mister president, so nice to meet you, congratulations on your economy. your leading the entire world.
they say it almost each and every time. america is been respected again and america is winning again because we're finally putting america first. >> what about the economic argument from the presidents? >> i think it's his strong suit. i think today was good news for the country and good news for the president. he tries to take all the credit as if we haven't had a long trend of growth, i think it's the longest in the countries history, but he deserves credit in the sense that it has continued under his watch. the problem here is i think republicans that tax cut packag would be something they could fly the flag on going into the midterms. it is not proven to be that. people complete complete about not seen any wage growth about disparities in the tax package go to the big corporations of the route without having impact on ordinary workers. that's why he was out in illinois and iowa this week eve talking about subsidies for farmers given the possibility o a trade war.
the economy is doing well and spite of president trump are th tax package has played a huge role. the deregulation that he is put in place itself that tremendously on keeping this thing going forward it really accelerating. >> i don't think you can quantify it. >> and all of the vital century look for in a healthy economy. the president has played a role in getting them. >> i don't see that we see the investment and capital infrastructure by corporations at this time and that, of course, would lead you to think we are in store for more growth. see it right now based on the tax cut. >> looking for a weakness in these numbers is a way to show it's working. >> new tonight, using science t bring closure to the remains of dozens of u.s. military personnel lost in the korean wa nearly seven decades ago are heading home tonight, trace
gallagher tells us about the diplomatic gesture that could answer painful lingering questions for hundreds of american families. >> this is a rare trip by a u.s plain into north korea to retrieve 54 cases of remains of soldiers killed during the korean war and 1950-53. returning the soldiers is part of the problems he made to president trump during their summit in singapore last month. the remains carried in boxes an covered in united nations legs are now at the military base an south korea where they will be honored and flown to hawaii for testing. a series of examination will then determine if the remains are american or allied troops. 7700 u.s. soldiers are still listed is missing in north korea . >> i want to think chairman kim and terms of the media for filling process i'm sure that h
will continue to fulfill that promise as they search. >> identifying and returning th remains tends to be a challenging process. many haslett was the biggest forensic anthropologist to determine sex, rate age, and race of death. the milik of the family tree fo possible dna samples, though 99 percent of service members from korea have no dna record o file. forensic anthropologist will also examine remnants such as military uniforms, belongings,, and identification tags. experts say teeth and bones can be the source of mitochondrial dna which is used to match dna sick on the mother side of the family. the bottom line, the process ca take months or even years, toda defense secretary james maddox was asked about other remains not yet released. >> we also look at it as a firs
step of her restarted process s we do want to explore additiona efforts to bring others homes perhaps to have our own teams g in. they been in there by before by the way. >> it is believed north korea has at least 200 sets of human remains today, they released 54. >> thank you very much, how man are healing the room turn of th remains as a positive first step , there is still speculation north korea could use the retur of future remains as a bargaining chip against the trump administration push for the kim regime to the nuclear eyes. >> the return of the remains of men who died 60 some years ago
should not be a matter of politics. we are very pleased that diplomacy and humanitarian approach to this matter has onc again taken hold. there is a lot that needs to be done and this is a very excitin time for us. >> you have served in a lots of dangerous places, what does it mean to families to get that remains home? >> i can tell you from my own experience having lost friends in multiple war tour of duty, there is nothing more solemn, more poignant, more meaningful than when we return the remains of the fallen to the families. the north korean leader knows that the value we place on huma life. he's assassinated members of hi own family and horrific ways. and so the other part of that equation for us, even though this is a major win for the trump administration and for th families even though there's 55
the remains of 55 fallen soldiers there is estimated to be roughly 7,000 unaccounted for , the other part of the equation is that he is a ruthless dictator, cynical and we'll seek to use this as part of his negotiation strategy to drag out negotiations and induc us to give him as many free passes as he can get and sanctions relief in return for this. i think were holding firm to th sanctions that he's already trained to get some sanctions relief from the russians and chinese for sure. the president was very tough today he said this is the first step and we are on a path for neat geek nuclearization. i think it's going to be a real challenge. >> a meaningful step? >> absolutely meaningful step. this is sacred to us. i remember working with the
israelis years ago and they would trade 1,000 guys, skies i jail for the remains of one of their soldiers. that is just reflects again, th importance to us to respect the fallen who gave their life for the freedom we enjoy here in this country. it's a very meaningful day for us all. unfortunately, we also have to take into account that the geopolitical count. >> so there are lots of americans missing during the korean conflict also killed in action so the regime is believe to have a lot of information about those folks and you expec them to drag this out. >> i think given the nature of the regime, i think they will use those people is bargaining chips it's despicable as that might seem, but credit the trum administration for holding him to the agreement made back in singapore. i was there for the summit and
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>> time for night court. on the docket tonight a federal judge giving those seeking to block the addition of a citizenship question on the 202 census meaning there will be at trial this fall sitting more than two dozen states and civil rights groups against the trump administration. federal officials say it will help in vote voting rights crossed but some say it's a for of discrimination seen it will discourage immigrants illegal and legal from filling out the form. joining is making the best arguments of former criminal defense attorney and a formal federal attorney and eric a sti is civil and criminal trial attorney great to see both of you. >> great to be here. >> arec, which is adding this question to the 2020 census go over the line? who does this hurt the most? >> it hurts all of us because i order to get an accurate census we need to know who is living
where. really it has a great impact on benefits a great impact on tax dollars and more importantly, w know what the population is of each area so that we can provid crucial services. many immigrants who are afraid to let people know that they ar here and they may not be here b going through the process is there a free to let people know where they are, which really hurts all of us and hurts the government in the allocation of services and education. >> we hear these numbers thrown out there about the number of illegal immigrants in this country when this help us get a better handle on it? >> sure in part, but that's no what the purpose is. the issue here is both the lawsuit proceeding in terms of the judges reasoning and also the macro level of the lawsuit itself. which is tackling the judges reasoning and letting that lawsuit proceed against the trump administration. he cited as potentially untrue and pop probably misleading in
terms of the explanation about in the question because the judge said the department of justice had shown zero interest in and forcing the voting right act, but that's what adding th citizenship question does. it grabs a great data in order to then know what exactly the population is comprised of and secondly, i know that he and hi analysis of candidates and president trump statements called them racially charged. that's a conclusion that should be reserved for the jury moving forward to reserve a neutrality here. the judge others said they have the potential to be construed a that. just for that reasoning alone, that lawsuit really should not have proceeded. there is additional fundamental issues with the lawsuit itself. >> emily had the great point. the jury should decide that's why the lawsuit should go forward. it's up to a jury to determine whether this is a valid questio or not. we all must account for every person who is in a geographic
area. it does him i could my could impact voting, but it also impacts educational fund, even if a person is not on the votin rolls, they may have heard children who depend on the educational services and that should be allocated based on th population. if we don't know where people are we can't allocate funds and that would hurt all of us including those who are against us. >> would this have a better chance of making it onto the 2020 census if congress passed legislation authorizing it? >> yes, that's actually what i was about to say is that the appropriate is actually congres itself. since 1996, federal law has dictated that you must be a citizen in order to participate in a federal election they said penalties is up to deportation imprisonment, inadmissibility and fines. you can obviously construe that this is serious. the appropriate vehicle is changing legislation it's not a
lawsuit against the enforcers. to answer your question, absolutely if they were to legislate it would be a done deal at least until the lawsuit was filed again against those particular legislation. >> what would be that practical impact of this was led to go on the 2020 census? the states claimed there would be a massive underdog. >> people would be afraid to answer. if you're asking people are you here illegally or not, they wan into the question because they're fearful that it would alert eyes, it would alert law enforcement of where they are and they will concentrate on those people. if you want an accurate count, and a head count is one, two, three, four, five, nazis here legally and who is not. that's a get the sense is not based on nationality, not based on immigration. great to have both of you. have a wonderful weekend. when we return, an iconic video
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the oval office, president trump declined to weigh in on the russia investigation. at a news conference with the italian prime minister -- >> do you feel betray ed by michael cohen, sir? >> a question about cohen and no response. instead, the president unloaded in his usual safe space where there are no questions, on twitter, tweeting there is no collusion and slamming the russia investigation with a personal attack taz robert mueller rigged witch hunt and just after the president was tweeting there was no collusion, his outside lawyer was claiming on cnn that collusion isn't a crime. >> which i don't know if that's a crime. colluding about russians. you tart analyzing the crime. the hacking is crime. >> add about that, the president relied on his aides. >> if there's no collusion -- >> there's no crime in collusion. >> giuliani suggested the special counsel may have a conflict and couldn't say what it is. >> you have to hear the conflict. not the president.
>> i can't tell you. not sure. >> the former mayor railed against cohen for secretly recording the president. >> he's a scum bag, a horrible person. never heard of a lawyer taping his client. zpl giuliani is blasting a trial that's about to begin for paul manafort, argue iing the case i being used as leverage to take down the president. >> just a big fish, the reason they got manafort in solitary confinement so he'll give up donald trump or a russia p. >> instead of answering questions, mr. trump returned to a pet issue for his base, immigration. again threatening a government shutdown if he country get what he wants. >> i would have no problem doing a shutdown. the it's time we had proper border security. prz we're the laughing stock of
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it's important because of a new allegation from michael cohen, the president's former lawyer and fixer. sources tell cnn that cohen is is ready to testify to the special counsel that mr. trump did know in advance that his son and campaign officials planned to meet with russians. who said they had dirt on hillary clinton and that they knew it bf they stepped in. trump has repeatedly denied knowing about meeting until a year later s. >> wasn't at the meeting. >> howdown the president wasn't? didn't know? >> because i'll you why. because cohen you know, he goes too r far. when you're lying, tlas trap for you. he said there was a one-on-one meeting that donald jr. came in and told him about it was about to take place. didn't happen. >> his bewildering media blitz today followed a series today. >> he's a scum bag.
>> tcohen's lawyer release add secret recording made before the 2016 election, between cohen and then candidate trump in which the two discussed payment concern iing affair with karen mcdoogal. ami was doing a catch and kill. the president and his aides have denied both the affair and any payment. >> when it comes time for the financing -- b sxwl we'll have to pay. >> rudy giuliani is now asserting that the recording was cut off and may have been doctored. he also confirmed the existence of more tapes but claims there's just one with the president on it. >> i see thhim plying, deceivin everybody he talked to.
trying to explain a possible meeting that reporters asked him about and what's confusing it wasn't clear whether he was knocking down that possibility. or clarifying what that meeting was about. now if you look at this most cent statement from donald trump jr.'s lawyer, it appears they're trying to be the final word, saying they stick by donald trump jr.'s public statements which have been that he never let his father know in advance about this meeting in trump tower. of course t question do other witnesses to that gree. >> it's significant because he did answer questions before congressal committees behind closed doors and if you lie, that's crime. we'll see what happens on that front. thank you very much. joining us now, democratic congressman of california. he's a member of the armed services committee. congressman thank so much for joining us. >> i don't know if it's good to be with you, wolf.
with giuliani. he parses words and often misses the main point. the main point is if you're working with russia to influence an election, that can be collusion. but if you're doing that, you're also involved in a conspiracy and the crime is foreign government involvement in an american election. >> giuliani seems to be b trying to move the move the goal post. do you think the president's team is laying the ground work for new revelations which might point toward some sort of involvement? >> apparently, he was very, very clear. he's trying to get ahead of the stories out there. the breaking news if you would. and yeah, there's probably going to be a lot of breaking news, a lot of stories, so he's like vietnam scrambling to get ahead of it and in doing so, he creates more news. it's really a strange, strange way to protect your client.
>> let's turn to another top story. the president reiterating his l wlingness to shut down the federal government. he may need support from democrats in order to get that done. should your party engage with the white house on this in order to avoid a shutdown? >> well, we have and we will. absolutely. we don't want a shutdown. we never have. we've not been responsible. the responsibility lies within the republican caucus, which was deeply divided and the solution getting the government up and run ining has always relied on more democrats than republicans to do that. so yes, we absolutely will negotiate exactly where the negotiations go remains to be seen. 25 billion for a big, beautiful wall doesn't make any sense to anybody, whoever we know there needs to be border security. there are fences that need to be
maintained, repaired. some needed to be b added. we have a wall. not sure if it's beautiful, but we have one in the san diegoty wa na area. it can be improou nd certain areas. yes and the rest of the equipment. how about drones, surveillance. men and women that are protect ing the borders. necessary. and we need to have a comprehensive immigration reform. all of the pieces of it. >> at today's news conference with the italian prime minister, the president said he'd be willing to immediate with the iranian leadership without any preconditions. ready to meet anymore, anywhere. is that a good idea? >> no. it certainly isn't. we saw what happens he was willing to meet with putin. without any preconditions. and in just a open press conference, we still don't know what those two hours of private discussions were. we do know that the president
has really created a crisis with iran. we had the iran nuclear deal that was preventi ining iran fr getting a nuclear weapon anytime soon like within the next 20 years. and. >> reporter: very, very tight controls on what iran was doing. that's all been disripted. i don't know what the president hopes to achieve with that meeting. iran is a very, very bad actor. it's causing problems in syria. in yemen. and probably quite certainly in africa, the horn of africa. all of those are iraq, so if the president is going to sit down with them without preconditions, he must think he's a genius because if he thinks he can pull off a meeting with supreme leader of iran without any prore discussions, good luck. >> not sure he wants to meet with the sprum leader, but president rohuhani seems to be open to have that meeting. kept saying at the joint event
with the italian prime minister today when he was answering questions he would meet without any preconditions. we're going to have more on this later. the secretary of state said the it's a good idea for them to meet, but then outlined three specific preconditions. more on that coming up. congressman, thanks so much for joining us. >> always. thank you. >> up next, the president steps up his attacks on the special counsel, robert mueller, and the russia investigation. so why does that there soom to be panic to his tweets? and the president says hooe ready to shut down the federal government if he doesn't get money for his border wall. is he setting up a showdown? sfrz (man) managing my type 2 diabetes wasn't my top priority.
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. president trump may be setting aup showdown with leaders. he's considering a shutdown if he doesn't get his border wall and other immigration issues. joining us now in his first interview since leaving the white house, and new cnn political commentator, mark short. welcome to cnn. this is big news. the president says he's willing to consider a shutdown. he said i would have no problem doing a shutdown. you know the republican leadership of the housescared. >> i don't think anybody does. what the president is saying he campaigned on a promise to secure boarder. looking for a board wall, too. the president's plan is put forward by the rear officer,st the it's not a political
document. to secure wit a fence. in many case, it's recognized you can't put the wall from california to theo rio grande river. democrats have supported that before. unfortunately politics. >> i understand his goal, what he's been doing in the campaign. since the campaign, he believes in all of this, but is he really prepared to shut down the federal government and what that means for tens of millions if not 100 million people out there for all sorts of services. >>? i think there are hurricanes of millions. there's two different timetables here. one is september 30th, which i fully expect you'll have a continuing resolution. it gets us to december. not before the midterms or in december.
>> there are a lot f things i'm unhappy about in this bill. we were in a sense forced if we want to build our military we were forced to have. there are some things we want in the bill. i say to congress i will never have another big like this. >> he may have no choice. what you're suggesting, they wait until the end of the year and have to sign an omnibus. no president should have to sign a bill like that. it is a broken process and i think he's expressing his frustration with that. ideally, congress will pass multiple smaller bills. it's a smaller bill that will focus on homeland security and
the president can make his case clearly to the american people. this is what a campaigned on, what you elected me for. it's a smaller bill that's focused really on homeland security. >> that's a possibility, but what if it's not. what if he need to sign another omnibus spending bill like he did the last time and he has no choice. if you can get individual bills passed, you're not going to have a giant omnibus. >> so we should take the threat seriously. >> we should, but it's more so toward towards december. >> you're a budget deficit hawk and take a look at this. the federal budget deficit was 584.
we're talking about next year, a 1 trillion dll budget deficit. because of all the huge spending that's going on during the trump administration and the reduced revenue coming in. is this what the republicans ran on to have a new deficit? >> no, but one, revenues have increased despite of the tax code. >> why is this republican leadership of the house and the senate and republican investment spending a lot more raising the national debt. >> the president's budget he put forward balanced the budget in ten years. the problem has been we cannot to do the same this congress. we need nine democrats to walk over.
in order to rewild build the military. nobody want these deficits, but what was necessary at the time. we are anxious to make sure the spending continues to go down. you understand what's going on in the west wing of the white house. giuliani today said this whole robert mueller russia investigation has become for the preside president, a major distraction. how much time and effort? you worked with the president chosicale closely on legislative affairs. how much of a distraction has this been for president trump? >> i think i would say rather than a distraction, it's been a frustration. i think the feels this has been ongoing. >> does this consume a lot of his time? >> sure. a frustration because he feels the investigation has been politically motivated.
the fbi agents using the investigation and i think he's frustrated. >> whey doesn't he let it continue and instead of tweeting abt and making personal attacks against robert mueller, continuing this line of attack, this story almost on a daily basis. >> i don't think he feels like he's getting a fair shake in the mainstream media. so he's going to look to make sure his points. >> he's president of the united states has to say these awful things by name of robert mealer. >> if i could come on your show all day long, it would never get as much as the president weighing in. he knows that. he's going to weigh in himself. he feels this is very personal. >> thanks coming in. coming up, president trump prufr won't say if he feels betrayed his bimichael cohen. but he's stepping up his personal attack on the special counsel. and he's lashing out frantically against the russia investigation. is he worried? and the president lawyer goes
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while his attorney steps up attacks on the special counsel, robert mueller, and trump's former attorney, michael cohen. we have a lot to discuss and joey jackson, you're a legal analyst. let me play this clip. your reaction to the latest offense come frg the president's personal attorney. watch this. >> not sure if that's a crime. the hacking is the crime. that's the original problem. >> what's your analysis? >> is that there's a reference and you referred to him as the president's poernl attorney. this is a public relations campaign. the president's publicist, also the president's conspiracy theory in chief person. so the reality is that it's part of the underlying effort to distort, distract, mislead and
that's a b b problem. wha dusz collusion mean? that people are engaging in an effort together. you have to understand the nature is to attack, attack, attack. when you work with a foreign power, that will constitute a crime. a crime to defraud the government of the united states in the event you slis it from a foreign power. is value. that would be a crime. in the event there are campaign violations, that's crime. he should call the facts the
facts and stop publicizing. inning that's what he's doing. >> what is giuliani getting at with these latest sort of confusing statement ss confusing statement statements? >> the context of this, a cowell couple of thing, one is you have the question about michael cohen and what you know this meeting with don jr. where he tells the president about this et cetera sh r et cetera. then you have the context of they're in the middle of dpoeshuating with bob mueller and they're not hearing back from him much about what if anything, need to hear from the presidential and so i think they're frustrates by that. this has been going on for months and months and months and
the president does have other lawyers who are the ones doing the talking to the special counsel. hooegs trying to diffuse because it seems to me that if cohen is ready to talk about the president in a dirnt kay, than he has in the past? that may be something they're worried about. fearing it's a big revelation that's about to come up. >> this president has been in office 18 months. say 15 of those, 4 of those. so for his personal lawyer, face
of his legal team to come out and say collusion is not really the issue, well, someone should, reid giuliani should tell trump about that. i think that gloria's confusion is really important. we're going to have ours. and we'll put them pfotenhauer out and see what people agree with. giuliani and trump sort of rode pr rode show. that's what they'll do. that's what this is all aimed at. it's aimed at trying to no matter what mueller finds and more nervous about it today than a few months ago to say angry democrats, partisan investigation and to put up their own version of events.
>> samantha, i'm curious to get your sense on giuliani's performance. >> i think if he's donald trump's publicist, he needs a new one because he's terrible at it. he can't even keep the facts straight when he goes from one interview to the other. he contradicts himself consistently and at this point i think we have to assume this improv is just an attempt to flood is cohn with nonsense. imagine how embarrassing it is for the presidency, that this is is guy that the president has chosen as his person lawyer. we had the italian prime minister visiting today and the president saying he'd mooe meet with iran and the world the watching and looking at julian going on his routine on television and knowing that president trump has identified this man as his personal lawyer. humiliating. >> to sam's point, you can't
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gloria, the president had this big tweet today. is robert mueller ever going to release his conflicts of interest with respect to president trump including the fact we have a nasty and contentious business relationship. one day before appointment the special counsel and comey is his close friend. giuliani was accused what is the nasty relationship he basically said i don't know. >> there have been reports that mueller wanteded to leave the golf club that donald trump owned and he wanted to get back the dues or whatever and they worked out a deal. apparently, it was not contentious. and -- >> is that a business relationship? >> i guess it is. it roveinvolves money. if it were that contentious, why would he interview him to be head of the fbi? and comey and mueller are not close friends.
>> and donald trump's, his attorney general recused himself. his deputy attorney general is -- who picked bob mueller. it's not as though bob mueller's chief apointeded himself. like oh k this is my way to get back at donald trump. rod rosenstein picked him so the timing is immaterial unless donald trump thinks the entire justice department is out to get him and that's why mueller was hired. >> by the way, are we sure that bob mueller wanted to be the fbi director or was doing it as a courtesy? >> what do you make of the president now blasting mueller by name, repeatly, over these last couple of days. >> i make of it exactly what i make of the president's strategy fr wfrom day one, which is to distract and defend and deflect and to do that. here's the reality. this is as much legal as it is political and vice versa. the fact is that you get the american people to understand and come to the notion that the
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to do things like flip. the attorney general who has been under fire by the president quite a bit has release his own statement pushing back on the president. this is consequence because the attorney general did this right as he was going to the white house to meet with the president on criminal sentencing. here is what he said. while i am attorney general, the actions of the department of justice will not be improperly influenced by political conversations. i demand the highest standards and where they are not met i take action. however, no nation has a more talented, more dedicated group of law enforcement investigators and prosecutors than the united states. i am proud to serve with them and proud of the work we have done in successfully advancing the rule of law. just another note. i spoke with the doj official after that statement came out, asked what the mood is at the doj, and the person said, defined is not exactly the right word, but that they are confident that they are doing their jobs there. amber, it is quite a statement
to have jeff sessions put that out as he is walking in the door at the white house to see the president. >> yeah. i'm starting to wonder if in one week we see the president lose not just two allies in michael cohen and david pecker, but his attorney, jeff sessions as well, who was one of the first high-profile members of congress to endorse him. this language that i hear sessions use, the justice department will not be bowled over by politics, is what i hear deputy attorney general rod rosenstein say repeatedly when he has a chance to speak publicly. and until now i haven't seen the two match up in that kind of -- again i agree defiant isn't quite the right word, but that sort of defiant rhetoric towards the president. here they are finally aligned against the president in terms of his attacks on the justice department, specifically it raises the question of what could happen next if the
president keeps blaming jeff sessions for everything that's happened to him so far. >> here is a hint. senator lindsey graham a moment ago said that maybe the president should fire jeff sessions. but if he does, do it after the midterms. listen. >> the president's entitled to an attorney general he has faith in. somebody that's qualified for the job. and i think there will come a time sooner rather than later where it will be time to have a new face and a fresh voice at the department of justice. clearly, attorney general sessions doesn't have the confidence of the president, and all i can say is that i have a lot of respect for the attorney general, but that's an important office in the country. after the election i think there will be some serious discussions about a new attorney general. >> not just that. senator grassley, the current
judiciary dhar, reversed course in what he was saying, which is that the judiciary committee had no time to confirm a new a.g. now he is saying, yes, they do have time. so lindsey graham and then there is chuck grassley, who are saying maybe it's time to get somebody new in there. when you hear this, charlie sykes, i don't see republicans running for cover with the president and all of the convicted felons that now surround him. trying to find a way to it seems help the president push back on all of this. >> and the timing is awfully interesting. you have donald trump's own swamp turning against him at the same time he is giving interviews where he sounds like a mob boss and he is clearly at cross purposes with his own attorney general. this would be the moment i would think for republicans congress to say, okay, mr. president, we will stand with the rule of law. there are limits, but again as we have so many times, you know, in the past seen, they are not doing that.
they are apparently very, very comfortable with donald trump's swamp. i'm afraid that lindsey graham appears to be giving the president a green light here. >> the deputies are going to make this at least in part an election about corruption. s sam, saying the republican party is tied to corruption. look what the president has, those around him. look at chris collins, duncan hunter who has just been indicted on multiple counts of improperly spending his campaign money. 47-page indictment that was just jaw dropping. you are working for bannon with the midterms. how do you push back on that? >> i think in terms of those two congressmen, duncan hunter, he can't resign, unfortunately. we would call for it if he could. with that said, chris collins did resign. they will have a new candidate there. and we have to just -- he is not going to run for office. he is not on the ballot. and we'll see. the idea that donald trump or the house is responsible, the
republicans for two specific congress ma congressmen and their conduct, it's a good talking point. >> this is not draining the swamp. the swamp is getting thicker. >> we would say he is not responsible for the conduct of collins -- >> is he responsible for the conduct of cohen? maybe not manafort because manafort d these things before he was involved with trump or maybe not with trump's knowledge. michael cohen, i mean that's directly implicating the president. >> michael cohen is directly implicating the president. his only implication he has is are on these two payments to women, to mcdougal -- >> two serious campaign -- >> but as far as his lawyer, lanny davis said yesterday, multiple interviews, not with you, but he said he doesn't have any new information on the trump tower -- >> so is russia the only crime that the president is able to commit that would hurt him? is that what you are saying? >> if there is nothing going on with this russian collusion and investigation, the idea that you have lindsey graham and chuck grassley saying sessions -- one
of the reasons they are going for sessions to be pushed out is because rosenstein has not been answering their subpoenas and sessions has shown that he has no real authority -- >> recused himself? >> he fully recused himself. he didn't have to fully recuse himself from the entire investigation. that's the issue. that's why i was quite surprised on your reporting there. >> i think it's interesting that the talking point against what michael cohen is saying is that this has nothing to do with russia as if the president can -- it only matters that the president committed that crime and the other crimes he may or may not have committed, that's nothing. >> on the campaign finance, he pled guilty to that. that has not been adjudicated. i can make a sound argument -- >> the moment he walked into the court he pled guilty and the judge accepted it. period. end of story. >> he didn't have a jury of peers -- >> but he pled guilty. >> the judge accepted his testimony and allocution in court. i was there. >> there was something like 20
charges they were talking about bringing against michael. he pled to six. >> i have heard that. there was something like up to 20 that it would have been. >> perhaps i should have talked to you. >> okay. you can talk to me afterwards. he please on these two payments. if you think he should be thrown out of office because he had a bad lawyer who didn't understand the fec laws -- >> if donald trump knew he was breaking the law, you have a strong argument for high crimes and misdemeanors if you are knowingly breaking the law in order to get into office. >> well, yeah. i mean, if michael cohen broke the law by making that payment, why wouldn't donald trump be considered to have broken the law as well? the rot starts from the top right here. you know, the duncan hunter case is fascinating because of the degree and then the scope of the sleaze. also, his trumpian response. you notice how he immediately goes to the trump play back, the attacking of the department of justice, saying this is fake news. this is part of this culture of
corruption that i think the republicans have stumbled into, that by tolerating donald trump, they have also allowed the creation of this environment where you have guys like chris collins and duncan hunter and others who think they can get away with anything because they know that there will be hacks who will come on cable television and provide them air cover. they think they are immuneized from consequences. i think that creates a dangerous, dangerous environment for the republicans and i think they are going to pay a huge price for it. >> it may not be illegal, but look how his cabinet members who have resigned have misused taxpayer money. it goes all around. charlie sykes, amber phillips, tom winter, sam nunberg, thank you very much. when it comes to michael cohen and paul manafort, mum's the word for most congressional republicans. also, the president spreading a new conspiracy theory. he is butting into a racially
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you from making that first step? >> that's correct, yes. >> the public, america needed to know how close this was, and that the evidence was overwhelming. i did not want paul manafort to be guilty, but he was. and no one is above the love. >> paul manafort was one juror away from being found guilty on all 18 charges, as you just heard right there. still he is now a convicted felon. one of several in president trump's orbit. which also now includes michael cohen, his long-time lawyer and fixer who the president is suddenly saying was only a part-time employee who he barely saw. joining me now national security reporter kennedy dylan and former assistant u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york, elie hoenig. welcome. so the president is trying to push back here. he doesn't want to be associated with paul manafort. now he doesn't want to be associated with michael cohen. he is saying paul manafort is a
great guy. he is really walking a fine line, ken, when it comes to what can get attached to him. >> i don't think there is anything fine about that interview he gave disparaging the justice department. that was incredible to me. he basically said that he believes prosecutors are regularly putting on witnesses who lie when he was talking about flippers and how people shouldn't be allowed to flip and make up stories. he was accusing his own justice department of unethical behavior. he puts the word justice in quotes and raised questions about paul manafort's conviction and prosecution. you have this juror, paula duncan, who is an ardent trump supporter and thinks the paul manafort is a witch hunt and believes russia did not interfere, yet she sat through the 12-day trial, heard the evidence and concluded paul manafort was guilty beyond a reasonable doubt on all the counts. she was not the hold out. another female juror she is saying was a hold out. she said that person was not necessarily a trump supporter,
she didn't believe, but somebody who didn't want to convict for her own reasons that the rest of the jurors -- but i find it fascinating that this trump supporter who confronted with 12 days of evidence said i don't want manafort to be guilty, but he was guilty. >> it's a witch hunt, but here i trust what the prosecutors did. let's listen to the president talking about why he thinks flipping should be illegal. >> one of the reasons i respect paul manafort so much is he went through that trial -- you know, they make up stories. people make up stories. this whole thing about flipping, they call it. i know all about flipping for 30, 40 years i have been watching flippers. everything is wonderful and then they get ten years in jail and they flip on whoever the next highest one is or as high as you can go. it almost ought to be out laud. it's not fair. >> i was talking to a doj official who said the president doesn't understand the law. you doesn't understand that when a witness flips or a defendant flips, it's something that has
to be corroborated by prosecutors. >> he doesn't understand the law or law enforcement or common sense. you know who hates cooperating witnesses the most is leaders of criminal organizations. >> they call them rats. >> gang leaders hate, i can't say flippers. it's silly. gang leaders hate in cooperating witnesses. corrupt ceos hate cooperating witnesses because that's how the department of justice gets into secret organizations and gets to the top guy. if no one flipped, people at the top of corrupt organizations would be untouchable. of course, that's what the president would like. >> they call them rats. the president called johndina rat the other day. >> that's unconscionable to me. if you talk to police chief, nypd, all around the country, they say one of the biggest impediments is this no snitching, rats culture. >> snitches get stitches. >> for the president of the united states to be promoting
that is beyond the pale. incredibly dangerous to our cities and to our communities. >> let's listen to the president trying to say that the payment to the women were not illegal because the money came out of his own pocket. >> did you direct him to make those payments? >> he made the deal. he made the deals. by the way, he pled to two counts that aren't a crime which nobody understands. >> did you know about the payments? >> later on i knew, later on. you have to understand what he did, and they weren't taken out of campaign finance. that's a bigger thing. did they come out of the campaign? they didn't come out of the campaign. they came from me. and i tweeted about it. i don't know if you know, but i tweeted about the payments. but they didn't come out of the campaign. >> elie? >> so, real quick, that statement is contradicted by tapes. even if true, he is cooked either way. if it came out of the president's pocket, it's a campaign expenditure he did not
support. if he received it from somebody else, it's a contribution. >> he would have had to report what he was paying the money for. david pecker flipping on the president, pretty big news? >> i don't know if he is flipping, but he is granted immunity. they were allies for a long time. he knows a lot of secrets. it seems like the walls are closing in on this president, katy. >> ken dilanian, elie hoenig. thank you very much. and the silence of mitch mcconnell. the sounds of silence coming up next. you're turning onto the street when you barely clip a passing car. minor accident - no big deal, right? wrong. your insurance company is gonna raise your rate after the other car got a scratch so small you coulda fixed it with a pen. maybe you should take that pen and use it to sign up with a different insurance company. for drivers with accident forgiveness liberty mutual won't raise their rates
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>> you still support mueller, right? >> this as congressman tom cole, former head of the national republican congressional committee, has advice for fellow republicans. quote, keep your powder dry and don't rush to attack or defend anybody because you just don't know enough to have a reaction that you can still defend three months from now. with me now director of progressive programming for sirius xm zerlina maxwell. former republican congressman, david jolly. david, in the mcconnell case i think his silence speaks volumes. >> it does. listen, and in the words of tom cole and in the silence of mitch mcconnell, we see the real truth, which is the republican party right now is terrified of what comes next. and you can look at it in real time, a snapshot of what is it that cohen can share regarding the president's knowledge of
these payments, right? we see the four corners of the document, but the reality it is if cohen begins to talk about the fact that he and trump knowingly had these conversations to try to deflect and make these payments. something else we saw, the fact that bob mueller wants to delay the sentencing of mike flynn, that mike flynn continues to cooperate. the reality is there are a lot more shoes so drop. republicans know that. katy, i would also say this. they deserve this situation. i mean, you lay with dogs, you are going to get fleas. they have so embraced donald trump that the brand of donald trump and the brand of the gop are indistinguishable to voters. >> there are signals that they want to call michael cohen back in. at the same time we are hear from senators grassley and senator lindsey graham that the president could get rid of jeff sessions. graham saying do it, he deserves somebody loyal to him. do it after the election.
grassley says i have time if you want to do it. >> it's a fun game to play in fantasy world when you don't have to count the votes up to 60 to get somebody confirmed if you were to fire jeff sessions. with the midterm election coming up i think this is a lot of bluster. donald trump is probably not going to fire jeff sessions because of the first reason, which is you can't replace him and you need to. but i think that what we're seeing is desperation from the president, from his allies in congress who have, up until this point, defended everything and sort of echoed his line of it being a witch hunt. it's funny to see how that talking point, you have to put it aside when you have convictions and guilty pleas that implicate the president directly. and not one, but two conspiracies that potentially impacted the outcome of the election. something that is unprecedented in this country. >> it's also interesting that the robert mueller approval polls are suddenly getting better. an 11 point jump in approval
from a fox poll just this month. 59% in august say they approve of the job that robert mueller is doing. in july that number was 48%. this poll began on sunday before the cohen news broke. it makes you wonder where it would be with the cohen news. clearly, mueller with the conviction of paul manafort, i mean, clearly this is gaining some traction among people who only last month were saying that this was a bit after witch hunt? david? >> because i think bob mueller's actions are being validated. he is putting points on the board, if you will. when you have convictions, when you have plea deals, when you have people now cooperating, look, the american people don't necessarily have to understand all of the elements that go into these various alleged crimes. but when they see convictions and plea deals, they know that something stinks. that's the reason democrats are talking about corruption. listen, what happened this week, and the american people can understand this whether they care about the facts of the case
or not, is you had a federal judge affirm a plea deal regarding campaign, a campaign finance violation that has been entered into federal court as a crime. the person who copped to that, named the president of the united states, and the president of the united states went on tv an admitted that he cooperated with that and aided in that and conspired with that. the american people understand conspiracy if they don't care about the underlying crime. they know conspiracy is a crime that the president is a focus of. >> it's interesting how the deputies will use this. we are seeing, zerlina, democrats really start to pump the brakes on impeachment. senator blumen that wi senator blumenthal was calling for impeachment. he is pulling the reins back on that. >> senator, you are one of the only democrats to utter impeachment. >> i have never --
>> you said -- >> all remedies should be on the table. >> including impeachment? >> i never mentioned impeachment. >> why are democrats shying away from this? >> i am not mentioning the specific remedy, and they are others. the special counsel ought to be permitted to complete his investigation. >> that is interesting. i think democrats are having a tough moment because i actually was in the camp a few months ago arguing we shouldn't run on impeachment and because it's nearly impossible because you need 67 votes in the senate to remove the president from office. in this political climate that's not realistic under these facts. however, this week changed things in my view. the president was implicated in a federal crime in a court this week. that's what happened. so i think in this particular moment that is unprecedented. we have to perhaps consider something like impeachment. >> request are democratic lawmakers now saying, we have heard on -- elizabeth warren,
too. kamala harris not uttering it. they are not doing it because i presume they believe that the political implications of doing that before the midterms are not going to help them? >> i don't think it's before the midterms. i think it's before mueller is finished. they don't want to count the chickens before they roost. they want to make sure the facts are on their side. if they called for impeachment three months ago, look what we learned this week alone in terms of the facts that are implicating the president in multiple crimes. you know, we have lived through this for the past few years and it seems like every single day there is a fire hose of news and controversy. we are not talking about controversy. we are not talking about something that's politically incorrect in terms of a comment the president is making or a 1:00 a.m. tweet, which is alarming. if your mother tweeted at 1:00 a.m. i am sure you would call her to make sure she is okay. i think this moment is historic because we are talking about crimes and not just something that's controversial. >> the news headlines are like a
category 5 hurricane hitting the shore since june 15. >> yes. i need a life boat, katy. >> i don't think you need a boat. i think you need a bunker, my friend. thank you so much. >> and have you noticed both parties are debating the president's fate like it's 1999? with a twist, of course. your mornings were made for
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divisive president is accused of breaking in the law in order to cover up a politically dangerous extramarital affair. the president's party plays defense kwhiel twhile the oppos begins to call for impeachment. the year is 1988 and the president is bill clinton. many have pointed out the parallels between the two scandals. how similar are the situations in with me msnbc national political correspondent steve kornacki and author of the upcoming book, preorder it, the red and the blue. >> the 1990s and the birth of political tribalism. steve, how similar are we between now and 1999? >> you put it out there. the main similarity, and you can see on the board, compare the headlines from when the clinton scl clinton/lewinsky scandal broke. you had in 1998 a president accused of a crime. the crime was perjury. it was lying under oath.
it was possibly suborning perjury, accusing others to lie under oath to cover up a politically damaging extramarital affair with monica lewinsky that had the threat to take down his presidency. with trump it would be conspiracy to cover it up during the campaign. to keep him from getting elected. in one case, to keep a candidate from getting elected. another case, to keep a presidency from collapsing. in '98, bill clinton survived. w why? because point after point in '98 '98, the revelation of the apair, clinton's admission of the affair, the reese lease of the ken starr report that accused clinton of perjury. election day, the midterm election '98 clinton's popularity went up. the public sided with him. this was amazing. this was the story. if you asked voters did clinton commit a crime? did he commit perjury?
overwhelmingly people in 1998 said yes, the president of the united states is guilty of a crime. should he be removed from office? overwhelmingly, the answer the voters gave was no. they needed democrats if they wanted to throw clinton out and convict them. democrats saw those numbers and said safe to stay with the president and bill clinton survived. >> let's takie impeachment out for a moment. president clinton, 66 approval as you said. president trump, and we will see it in a moment, here it is, donald trump 42% right now. why is there such a disparity between their popularity? is it because -- i mean, listen, donald trump has been plagued by controversy. he has been accused of being a rays racist, zeno phobe, et cetera. >> the context, obviously, this is latest trump story hitting after endless controversy since he became a candidate really.
i think that's the one big difference potentially between what happened in '98 and what may happen here. we will see. but democrats in '98, there were folks on the democratic side who had an instinct to bolt from bill clinton. maybe they were decision gusted by his conduct, bothered by the purgery. every time they thought about doing it, they looked up and saw the polls that showed clinton's approval rating 65%, 70%, and then the midterm elections democrats won. republicans if they take a bath this november may face a different calculation. >> if republicans end up losing the house, say, not the senate, but the house in the midterms, how does support for the president shift? >> that's the interesting thing to see. that is what saved bill clinton in '98. it was so shocking when democrats -- the white house party gained seats in the midterm election, basically doesn't happen. and democrats gained seats in '98 as a backlash to republicans pushing against impeachment. so democrats then said, because the impeachment took place after
the election, democrats said, we are all going to be against it, it's totally safe. that's the question here. if you have a 40 seat democratic gain, do republicans have a different attitude after the election? >> let's talk about nixon. i have heard you in the past say that the only reason that republicans started to break with nixon during that whole impeachment, not quite impeachment, but that saga, and the tapes and whatnot, watergate, was when there was a special election that they lost? >> there were signs in 1974. 1974 became -- the midterm election after nixon's resignation was one of the worst ever for a presidential party for the republican party and there were special elections, signs and special elections. i think one in jirld ford's district. gerald ford was the vice president under the president when spiro agnew resigned and the dermocrats did better in tht district. another one out in ohio in the cincinnati area. you were getting a lot of rumblings there was something big coming in the midterms and that started to scare and unnerve republicans. >> interesting.
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>> for the first time in his presidency, donald trump tweeted the word africa. and in doing so promoted a myth about the rise in killings of white farmers in south africa. here is what grabbed the is wha president's attention. shock, it was on fox news. >> the president of south africa, cyril ramaphosa, has begun, and you may have seen this in the press, seizing land from his own citizens without compensation because they are the wrong skin color. that is literally the definition of racism. it's totally okay for south africa to steal property for racist reasons because they are, quote, a strong democracy. >> moments later, the president asked his secretary of state to closely study the south africa land and farm seizures and the large-scale killing of the farmers. but as vox laid out, it's all a conspiracy theory promoted by neo-nazi and white nationalists, quote, a theory based on the very real and very controversial issue of post apartheid land
reform in south africa, but the white nationalists who propagate it have taken what is a genuinely thorny issue and magnified it beyond all objective facts, twisting it into what they see as a nightmare cautionary tale of white genocide. joining me, host of msnbc's "politics nation" and present of the national action network, reverend al sharpton, and national security correspondent for npr, greg myrie. gentlemen, thank you very much for coming. i want to get some basic facts laid out before we really dig into this. and that is that south africans, black south africans were legally barred from owning any property, living on operating businesses or owning land in vast swaths of the country that were set aside for whites only during apartheid. when apartheid ended in 1994, 90% of all the land in the country was owned by whites, despite the fact they made up only 10% of the population. 23 years later in 2017, an audit
by the south african government found that whites still owned 72% of private farmland in south africa. and greg, what the government is trying to do is they're trying to correct that disparity, because the black south africans were not able to get any land, really, at a large pace, since apartheid ended. >> that's true. and it's been an issue that's been moving very, very slowly. and the most intense poverty in south africa is in the rural areas. so that's where it's felt the most. now, they are starting to talk about it. the ruling african national congress and the president are talking about the possibility f appropriating land without compensation. but it's not something that has happened in the 27 years since apartheid or something that would happen overnight. it looks like it would take a change in the constitution, so st it would be a long, drawn-out process if it happened. >> and the idea that the owners
of this farmland are getting murdered by blacks because they -- it's a racist thing and it's a hate-filled crime, not entirely correct and not so easy to define, right, greg? >> exactly. south africa has a terrible crime problem. its victims are black and white, urban and rural. south african farmers, as the few people in rural areas who do have resources, they tend to have cash and guns and cars, are therefore a target. and so, yes, they are victims of crime. but it seems that it is very prosaic criminal actions rather than any sort of racially based attacks in the main. >> so, what's the president doing here? >> well, i think he's doing what he does often in these united states, and that is, he's trying to distract from this cloud that he's now clearly under with the manafort convictions and with the michael cohen taking a plea. he goes to race and what better
way than to give this neo-nazi propaganda, that white farmers are being killed until south africa, when, in fact, that is not true, not based on them being white. there is a very well-thought-out argument going on and to deal with the fact that blacks were the ones for racial reasons that couldn't own land because of apartheid. and now, almost a quarter of a century after getting apartheid politically correct, they have to deal with the fact that people's land were taken because they were black in the apartheid era. how they do that, they're wrestling with it. the anc has voted on this, but this is a real issue there. i've been to south africa twice in the last three years. on the ground, you hear the issue, but you don't hear anybody talking about killing whites because of it. and for the president of the united states to put that out there like it's a fact and to act like, in fact, this they have come up with a formula is a
falsehood and an attempt from him to distract from his own problems. >> bob corker, senator bob corker was asked about this and he says, it appears to be a base stimulator. he's asked, what do you mean by that, and corker says, well, there are portions of those who support the president that are, pause, i'm sure that generates excitement, i mean it's, you know what i'm saying. and then he walks in the senate chamber. and just one more thing. david duke has endorsed this tweet and applauded the president for this tweet, saying, russia has already agreed to take in 15,000 white south africans. your move, mr. president. thank you! >> so david duke and that ilk is who pushes this. this is who the president gets in bed with. there are no facts. senator corker, who is a republican, by the way, is identifying it correctly. this is a base move of those same elements that think there's a moral equivalence between neo-nazis in charlottesville and those that are fighting
confederate statutes. but when you really think about this, on a global scale, from a global perspective, katie, you've got the land of mandela being maligned by the president of the united states on a plan that has not even been fully formulated. this is insulting. he -- nothing is sacred to him, to try to get people's minds off of what he's doing. >> greg, for foreign policy, do you have any thoughts about what this would mean for the president? >> well, the united states does not have an ambassador to south africa right now. and if it did, the ambassador or the state department could explain the nuances in this case. the president has said very little about africa. a couple times, he has, he's stepped in it, created a controversy. so i think it's not only south africa, but the entire continent that has, reacts badly when these kind of comments come across. >> and we should note the first lady is expected to make a trip to africa soon. not the president, just the
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business" is sponsored by american express. don't do business without it. ♪ hi there everyone. i'm jj ramberg. welcome to "your business." the show dedicated to helping your growing companies. small business saturday is coming up. in los angeles, celine ba shea the owner of a children's boutique wanted to take an active role in getting her community to support small businesses. when a position opened up on the neighborhood council, celine jumped at the chance to become a true advocate by running for office. soes co-owner of louisiana ling.
based in a neighborhood in los angeles never imagined she would become active in local government. >> the neighborhood council is made up of 19 board members and last may there was a seat open for the business representative. they were really urging people to step up and run for this position. >> although she's only in her 20s and has the day-to-day operations of her thriving small business to run, she jumped at the opportunity to run for the open position and become an advocate for small businesses in her community. >> i was inspired by me realize thag i could have a larger impact if i thought outside of these four walls. i figured instead of focusing on helping my business thrive, if i helped my neighborhood and community thrive, then everyone wins. >> to take on a challenge of running for official position in city government on a local level is just so brave.
>> celine and her co-owner credits the original owner and founder for inspiring them both as leaders and business owners starting in their late teens. >> we learned so much from her. >> just the relationship she built with people. >> i think what was beneficial to us was how much trust she instilled in us. we learned a lot from feeling like our opinions were valid and worth sharing. and she gave us a lot of freedom in the store as sales girls. >> ling was head of her time when she opened the doors to the whimsical world of this store in 2004. she set out to create a one top shop for cool moms on the hunt for edgy clothing, vibrant art and toys with a sense of humor. she also experimented with interactive experiences for her customers during their retail journey. >> we had music classes in the back. at one point there was an art class.
this space back here was our kind of little think lab. and then we also had a hair salon. >> la la ling was quickly a go-to destination in l.a. for anyone looking for family fun and the latest fashion accessories in furnishings. seven years in, when the economy was taking a toll on the retail world, ling started thinking about closing up shop. >> the concept of closing the store was tearing at my soul. it's a lot of blood, sweat and tears to open your own business. retail, for boutiques is really tough. >> she couldn't fathom the idea of la la ling closing its doors and the thought of taking over the reins with celine bake front and center in her mind. >> the courage at that age is now when you're older and thinking about it, i don't think i would take the same risk. >> if i have anything to take credit for, it's just to take risks. you can't challenge yourself and open your world unless you take
risks and open your eyes and expose things to other people. >> i think that's a big reason why we felt confident to even consider buying the store. because she had allowed us to run things the way we saw fit. >> cara approached celine to see if she was on board with the bold idea. >> i called celine and asked her if she wanted to buy it with me. she said no. and i said think about it. >> i thought she was insane. because i was 23. i had never considered owning a business. i didn't feel qualified. i didn't go to college and thought i was going to be a singer. so the idea of owning a business at first did not ring true to my vision. >> after two days of fear and doubt swirling in her mind, celine was in. so when ling finally sat her team down for the dreaded tough talk, she had no idea the surprise cara and celine had in store for her. >> we literally stopped her in
her tracks and said, well, how would you feel if we took over? >> i burst into tears. because to me, it's the best thing because it's sort of like handing over a family business to two of my daughters in some ways. for them to take over ownership was a dream come true. they had such great ideas and new energy. >> the surrounding community of small businesses and loyal following of la la ling customers immediately embraced celine and cara as the new owners. >> it's really close-knit. >> people are loyal to this neighborhood. there's a real sense of identity. >> our neon sign that says meet me in lass fee liz is an acknowledgment that this is a space for the neighborhood to come hang out with us. >> celine's passionate and welcome coming spirit played a big part in her getting elected to the neighborhood council. >> celine grew up here. she cares about the neighborhood and small businesses. >> becoming a powerful voice for
change. a voice to help bridge together small businesses and open communication lines. a voice to make their collective voices matter has been life changing for her. >> it's been rewarding and i'm excited to use that platform to help the store and all the other stores as well.crocosms of friendships. we can all gain by working together and having more communication between us. i'm happy to be that liaison between all the local businesses. >> it's a bit surreal. sometimes i feel like i don't know what i'm doing. and that's kind of exciting in a way. if there's anything i learned from owning a business is to not be afraid to ask questions. the voice of a neighborhood council can have a real impact. we've drafted things called community impact statements and those get added on to, like a
bill that a city councilman want want to pass with our official opinion about it. >> we're living in very challenging political times. so it really i think is so inspiring for young girls like my daughter who is 11 to see women taking on leadership roles in our government. it starts at the local level. i think it's an inspirational -- small business saturday is all about reminding people that if necessity don't go to their local stores, they will go away. nothing illustrates that more than the loss of so many bookstores around the country over the past decade. when her local brooklyn bookstore closed, emma straub didn't want readers left without an alternative to amazon. she opened books are magic. jenna bush hager has her story. >> you knew the place to read. >> yes. your store is titled books are
magic. which could be the best name for any store ever. >> thank you. it's a lit whimsical. >> like you. >> yeah. the author of the vacationers and modern lovers is working on a fifth. last year she opened this bookstore in brooklyn. >> as long as they want to read books, they can come in. >> books are magic. >> what makes books magic is they only look like objects but they're doors. you open it up and walk right through and go somewhere else. >> straub isn't just a best selling author. she's mom to river and miles. emma and her husband michael own and operate books are magic. >> your baby, this business, is about a-year-old or a little more. what's it been like? what have you learned? >> it has been bananas. every day is busier than we
thought. >> there are a lot of us who are advocates, not only for our own books but for books, period. >> there are tons of articles that say that people are reading less now than ever. what do you say? >> the people who are now saying oh, since people started reading on their e-readers, i haven't read a book. they probably weren't reading before. i don't read as quickly as i used to. i have two children and april bookstore and a lot of other responsibilities. it's still the thing i love most. >> made me misty-eyed. i love when i cry when the person doesn't. that's beautiful. i can imagine. >> that's because -- i'm a librarian. i love books. i feel the same way. >> i can't stop looking around. sensory overload. >> that means we're doing the right thing. >> the right thing is paying off. they've sold 150,000 books in just their first year. >> i can't help but stop.
a poetry gumball machine. >> it's the best thing in the store. >> love, i can almost imagine summer how the green world begins. i want to cry. it's full of them. take that and keep it with me forever. >> yes. >> what should i be reading. take me over. >> it's about two pus i cats who look alike. >> but different. >> one of them likes potato chips. >> i did have a cat that ate dried pasta. i know. >> your favorite part of the store is this octagon. it's this secret little hideout. >> magic place. >> where you can be by yourself and have your book. >> is that a good place to read? pretty good. >> are you living your dream? >> yes. >> i write books, people pay me to do it and i get to talk to people about books all day long. it's a dream. that's a dream.
>> actress monica potter takes hometown pride to a new level with her new brand monica potter home. with a flagship store in ohio and e-commerce site, she's making it easy for fans to shop local. >> she's acted alongside some of hollywood's biggest names. like nicolas cage and morgan freeman and received widespread love at christina braverman in the tv show parenthood. >> you just listen to the music. okay? >> but what you probably don't know about monica potter is that she's also a successful entrepreneur. >> i always had this business planned. i wanted to do something like paul newman. i love him so much. he's just one of my biggest inspirations aside from my dad. he's from ohio, too. >> in 2012, she started monica potter home an e-commerce site featuring home goods and beauty essentials that are all made by
local cleveland artisans and craft people, just like monica herself. >> growing up in cleveland, i saw how hard people worked and how much they care about their city and their community. >> completely self-funded, for monica this isn't just a side gig. it's a true passion project. >> i'm lucky and i'm grateful because i get to act and then i get to use that cash saying it bluntly, use the cash to put into this and create a business. >> with her name front and center on all the labels, she makes sure each and every item is something she wants to sell to their customers. >> people work hard for their money. i'm not going to sell them junk or make junk. if there's a bad batch of something, we throw it out. my standard is would i give this to my mom or my kids? if the answer is no, then it goes out. >> thinking of her fans as family led her to find new ways
to interact with them face to face. >> we were online and people loved the stuff. then i love to connect with people. so i thought, this could be a great opportunity to have a destination location in garrettsville, ohio, where we have a storefront, we have our production room, we have our shipping and handling and distribution. >> as the brand expands and reaches new customers, monica measures success in more than just the bottom line. it's equally about sharing monica's first love. her love for her hometown. cleveland. >> all of the products that we make, the candles, it's all here. it's sourced here, made here. sometimes i have to be careful because you can get so caught up in the business part of it that i've been lately losing sight as to why we started this to begin with. and that was to bring jobs back home and hopefully expand and help other communities and
cities. >> i'm in las vegas at shop.org where a lot of people are thinking about, if they have a brick and mortar store, how do they get customers into their store to actually buy something? it is something my next guest thinks about a lot. he's the ceo of brick works. it's nice to see you. thanks for stopping by. >> thanks for having me, jj, i appreciate it. >> i think what you were doing is fascinating. your whole company is about taking someone who is maybe browsing on their phone and getting them into a retailer. >> that's right. we focus on helping brands and retailers to engage online traffic who has intent to go to a store and get those customers into a store through a branded experience and offer them a higher level of experience when they get to store. what we find is that those sorts of experiences are a catalyst for driving value out of those customers. >> let's take the words out and just say, give me an example. i am a spice store.
what do i need to do to get people in my door? >> so we don't work with any spice retailers. >> it's a hypothetical. >> you would use your website to market content around spices that you offer in your store and brickwork would place a button, simple button that would allow you to come in and have a consultation with an expert spice mer kmant or associate inside that store who would help you build out a catalog of spices to bring into your kitchen. >> do you believe if you are a brick and mortar retailer, he need to have some kind of experience? >> absolutely. brick and mortar, the future of it is experiential retail. you need to pull your associates, the services you can offer, the uniqueness of the product categories you can bring to physical retail. pull those together in a coordinated bay way to add
higher level of experience for the customer. >> if not, i can buy it online anywhere. >> it's so easy today to buy online. you have to come with a higher value proposition in-store to get the customer in store and that's in experience. >> i'm selling spices at my store. i put something on my site, my mobile site as well. come on thursday and i'm going to have a cooking with spices class. why do you need a company like yours? what kind of value do you add? >> the reality of retail today is that e-commerce for the most part is fairly straightforward. set up a warehouse and a website, i i add a checkout and i can get going. we see that with the proliferation of brands and merchants on platforms like shopify. physical retail is complex and it's complex because it involves people, it involves locations throughout the country and so for the kinds of brands of retailers we workw enterprise scale brands with 200 to 2,000
stores, you need software that serves as a system of record and a system of engagement to really manage all of the complex ways, all of the business rules, really manage the configuration of what the experiences look like and then be able to mine the data that we can deliver off of those experiences so that you can action in the future on how to improve, enhance the experiences at a local level but at scale. >> it's important to not only say hey come to my cooking class but you also want to say, who looked at that? who clicked through and came and who didn't come? who wha else can did they look at on the site? >> so we -- you want to be able to gather information about those customers so you can offer them a better experience when they arrive in store and you can
drive a higher conversion rate and higher average order value. >> i'm going to use the spice. i come into the spice store because i saw that cooking class. someone else's spice store knows jj always cooks with cinnamon. once she gets here, i'm going to teach her something about cinnamon and try to sell her this rare cinnamon from madagascar. >> yes. we may not know you always cook with cinnamon but we can help the brand or retailer that you have an affinity for cinnamon or browsing that type of spice online and pass that through to an associate to give that you experience. >> it's so interesting. digital, brick and mortar, everything is converging. ultimately, it's about each particular customer. >> in general, i think we experience the world with our phone in our hand today. this convergence of physical and digital is coming over retail like a wave right now. >> congratulations on your store
i . thank you. we're in the middle of the third season of our podcast been there, built that. i get to talk to business owners about the highs and the really hard things trip down to atlanta, georgia, to hang out with ben chestnut. he tells me how his side hustle turned into a business that did half a billion dollars in revenue last year and how he was offered a billion dollars to sell his company. that is right, a billion dollars. and he turned it down. he tells me why. so i hope you get a chance to listen to it. if you do, please leave some comments. we love hearing what you think. you can find it wherever you get your podcasts. when we come back, jean mark stops by to tell us about tax deductions you should be looking into before the year ends.
the community doesn't just have small businesses, it is small businesses. and that's why american express founded small business saturday. so, this year let's all get up, get out and shop small on november 24th. i got croissant. small business saturday. a small way to make a big difference. when you're building a company, you're going in one direction, and all the sudden multiple directions open up you can go in. it is it better to stay focused on the path you're on, or change and pivot? >> some of the best entrepreneurs and companies are the ones that try to find a way to say yes. however, it's really easy as a
start-up to get what i call shiny objected syndrome, all those things coming your way. there's three things you can do to evaluate these opportunities and figure out which ones to take. first, does it align with your strategy? oftentimes we confuse tactics with strategy. so after we analyze your customer base, segments to figure out whether there's a real product fit. second thing you can do is to ask yourself, well, what would i have to give up? entrepreneurship isn't a big buffet where you can keep piling on new tasks like you would mac and cheese. you have to give something up. is this opportunity going to help you get ahead more than what you're giving up? and the last thing you need to do is to ask yourself, does this new opportunity align with my company's values? those big values we put up on motivational posters aren't just for looks. they're to help you make decisions. if it meets those things, you can be willing to give something up. i say find a way to say yes. >> the year is coming to an end, and business owners should be
thinking now of getting their taxes in order. so what are some of the best moves to help you save on your taxes this year? here to help us is gene marks, head of the marks group and columnist for "the washington post." i think we do this every year. >> we do, and a cpa. >> right. okay. what do we do? >> first of all, meet with your accountant. we still have some time to do this. not everybody is crazy about meeting with their accountant, but it's the thing you got to do. so big changes in tax reform, one is for pass-through organizations. if you're like an s corporation or a limited liability, a partnership, one of those things, there are some big tax advantages to you maybe. you need to get your arms around that. you might want to consider the options of changing from an s corporation to a c corporation. or if you're a "c" corporation, maybe changing to an "s" corporation. >> this quickly? >> no, you can get all of your paperwork in order and ready to go so you're all set for january
1st of next year. with all the rule changes, it might benefit you to change status. do the work now so you're ready to go. so that's number one. >> okay. capital equipment you talk about. >> correct. accelerated depreciation. because of tax reform, you can spend up to a million bucks now on capital equipment. and you don't really have to pay for this stuff. you can put a down payment on the equipment, finance the rest, and it's still historically low interest rates. get it into service by the end of the year. boom, a full year's deduction up front, which is a big deal. >> a big deal. >> so buy that capital equipment. that's number two. number three, if you don't have a 401(k) plan, get a freaking 401(k) plan. every business should have it. of course, it benefits both the business owners and the employees, very inexpensive to set up. because of tax reform, you now have an encouragement. you get a $500 a year credit for the next three years, a credit on your taxes just for setting
up a 401(k) plan. >> even if you don't contribute to it? >> even if you don't contribute to it. as long as you get it set up for your employees to use, you get the tax credit for doing that. and by the way, this is only for companies with less than 100 employees. but i think that's most of our audience here. it's a big deal. >> to be clear, if you set up a 401(k) plan, you as a company don't need to contribute to it. it can be just a service to your employees. there are all kinds of rules you need to think through. >> correct. and retirement savings is obviously a huge crisis, so the government is trying to encourage us to save more money. they're saying to business owners, get a 401(k) set up, and if you do that, we'll give you a tax credit. so that's number three. >> i want to remind people, because i remember when we set up ours, it's a little complicated. >> all of this stuff i'm talking about isn't stuff that happens overnight. talk to your adviser, talk to your accountant. >> and there are people who set it up for you easily. finally, the work opportunity tax credit. >> this is a big deal. it expires at the end of 2019.
so for particularly small businesses, if you hire somebody that's long-term unemployed, somebody that's on welfare, somebody that's a veteran, somebody that just got out of prison, if you provide that person with a job, you can get up to a $9600 credit on their compensation against your taxes you owe. it's part of this work opportunity program. it's been around for a few years. a lot of business owners don't even -- they're not even aware it exists. >> and how do you find these people? >> so first of all, finding and recruiting people that are long-term unemployed, that's a whole other conversation. let's assume you found one. let's assume you hired a veteran or somebody that just got out of prison or somebody on welfare last year or two years ago, you can go back a couple years ago and amend your returns and apply for that credit. the only issue that i just have to warn you is it's a complicated calculation. your accountant might not be that crazy about doing it.
there's a boutique industry of people that are out there that are able to do that stuff. just google work opportunity tax credit, find a consultant to help you. go back and get money o on yon taxes. so starting a 401(k) plan, taking advantage of that depreciation, and give thought about potentially changing your tax status for 2019. because of all these lower rate, changing your status might benefit you. >> one more thing. it's really hard to find good people these days. and there are a lot of amazing people who fit into the categories you were talking about. >> they do. not only that, we're talking about employers having a hard time paying people and keeping up. well, if the government is going to give you back a few thousand dpl dollars, put it in your pocket or pay the employee. the government is trying to help. we just have to pay attention. >> thank its a lot, gene. >> thanks, j.j. this week's your biz selfie
comes from dawn kelly, who owns the nourish spot in jamaica, new york. she's into healthy eating and her company sells all kinds of juices and smoothies and has a make your own salad bar. thank you so, so much for sending that in, dawn. we love seeing your picture. and best of luck with your business. thank you so much for joining us today. here's something i've been thinking about. if you get a chance to listen to the podcast, ben chestnut talks to me about a time when his business was very stressful and he was bringing that stress home without even realizing it. i hear this from a lot of ceos and their partners at home. so what we all need to remember is that work is hard. sometimes it's really fun, and sometimes it is really complicated. but we have to think about what we're bringing home with us and talk to people about it. talk to your family about it. talk to the people in your business about it. talk to friends. we all go through this at some time. ben chestnut is very honest about how once he realized it, he was able to talk to his wife about it, and everything turned
out fine. we'd love to hear from you. if you have any questions or comments about today's show, e-mail us at yourbusiness@msnbc.com. you can also click on our website. it's msnbc.com/yourbusiness. we posted all of the segments from today's show, plus a whole lot more. also, don't forget to connect with us on all of our digital and social media platforms. if you want to hear that story about ben chestnut, check out the podcast. it's called "been there, built that." it is in its third season, and you can download it for free from apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts. we look forward to e seeiseeing next time. until then, i'm j.j. ramberg. remember, we make your business our business.