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Value of that company. we know its private equities. we know how that game works, at least to some degree. none of us are wall street men and women in the conversation, but we know the realities of private equity. is this tape or some of the vision for bain capital the very reason we didnt hear him solidly defend that record because his vision was to harvest the profits of some of these companies they went in? >> well, i dont think we really know the reality, because we havent had the longer dis...