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here saying that if there is any provocation or any attack on ukranian forces that they will respond in an instant, but for now they have not yet mobilized the military. so clearly leaving themselves a little bit of road yet to go. they also said at some point they could enter in state martial law but that has not happened yet. still, though, the overwhelming sort of idea coming from ukraine s leaders is the idea that we need to continue on this path of maximal pressure on the russians to try to adapt or adopt, rather, a diplomatic path. ukraine s foreign minister saying today with regard to those sanctions, hit more, hit hard, hit now. people with perhaps a sense of disbelief that this is where we are today. clarissa ward, thank you so much. also new this morning, the white house says to expect
them, now the pressure needs to step up to stop putin. hit his economy and cronies, hit more, hit hard, hit now. that was a tweet from the foreign minister. joining me now is the deputy national security adviser in the united states, thank you for being with us. hit more, hit hard, hit now. how do you explain to the ukrainian foreign minister why you are not hitting harder now? well, john, sometimes i wonder if there is almost a blood lust out there for sanctions unto themselves. we did hit hard yesterday. it was only a demonstration effect. we shut down a gas pipeline. we took out two of the major banks in the russian banking system that controlled $80 billion in assets. we cut off russia from western financing in terms of government debt, and we put on notice the oligarchy in russia that no one is safe, and there is a chilling effect now for any oligarch or crony or family members that
today we celebrate our independence day. and here he is, president whit more, bill pullman, an act known for a league of already nominated for a golden globe. he s also relevant to us a long-time rancher and his newest project is a documentary called nature, american horses. bill, you have the taste i feel many of us imagined you would. we like it, what you re up to. thanks for being here. real pleasure. cornell belcher says hi. well, that was beautiful. i did get on there just before that, which is always good to know, you know, that the some