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And people who feel ignored, i believe the make-up of her background, i understand your point, john, but still because of of who she is as a person, black woman, south asian american woman, i believe she brings intangible to the table that will have her -- give her the ability again to cut through and touch that emotional aspect that is important to galvanize people to the polls. >> arthel, i think thats a very important point. she might come from parents that were well educated but she pointed ...