president, you see some big names personally in this. volcker s right there with some of the most powerful men in the government, which is why his resignation and possible testimony certainly matter. at the heart of this, we get to two people, the president and a man who hasn t held elected office in over 18 years. it was last week right here that rudy giuliani tried to create so much smoke, he may have choked on it. did you ask the ukraine to investigate joe biden? no. actually, i didn t. you never asked anything about hunter biden, you never asked anything about joe biden? the only thing i asked about joe biden is to get to the bottom of how it was that lutsenko so did you ask ukraine to look into joe biden? of course i did. you just said you didn t. in the days since then, it hasn t gotten much easier towgi.
because we can t let any good ideas go to waste. at bp, we see possibilities everywhere. to help the world keep advancing. so the troubling news tonight about trump s ukraine envoy resigning and more calls with leaders being unusually restricted, one thing s pretty clear. you re going to hear this president and his proxies coming after biden to cover this up and excuse it and soon. but saying something a lot doesn t make it true. what this president clearly did with ukraine is nothing like what biden did. it is true both did pressure the ukrainian government about
was there a many-months-long process here of engineering political advantage for this president with ukraine, with the state department, with the white house that was working over congress, insinuating giuliani into the state department that if you don t do the right thing with the biden matter, you are don t get to the white house and the president you re making it sound like it a many-month process. the phone call was in july. it s been going on before that, march, april. i remember talking to him about it in the green room and it clearly was public at least by may. that s a lot of months. it wasn t one phone call. i m talking about the president s conversation now and the process that we re talking about. i don t know. every day is a new day that the democrats decide to focus on something else, with i is thich sattsat satter scatter shot approach.
the president talks to the other president and says look at biden with money and reciprocity hanging in the balance. he s got to explain why that s ok okay. well, he doesn t have to explain why that s okay if those two things exist in one conversation, that s well short of being able to show that that s a quid pro quo. you don t have to show it s a quid pro quo. you know the statute just says solic solicit. the democrats have tried four things. i m not the democrats. i m right here. the four issues are what? treason? no. ukraine is an ally. is it bribery? no. the bribery statute doesn t apply to foreign government officials. can you solicit a foreign entity? robert last one, is it a violation of the campaign finance law? the justice department has said through olc the answer is no. you can solicit a foreign government for political advantage. you believe that that s anybody s read on that statute? stop. asking for an investigation in
back in 2017 clearly didn t understand what we do and do not do in other people s elections and was flippant about it. and now, of course, many, many things many months have gone by and we know a lot more about the story. but to be honest with you, i think a lot of this stuff that we re talking about now, they are details that are part of the story but it sort of gets caught in the details when we don t focus on the big picture. i agree with you. so let s transition to that. because his statements to the russians, write it off to ignorance or flippancy, as you say. but the arrogance of creating a two-tiered system of how you protect information, it s no coincidence to me the washington post is finding out what happened in that meeting now, that there s all this exposure about this other system. have you heard about this other system, the password system that the ukraine call was in? sure. is that something you guys do in the intelligence world or they do is he nse?