mine incident, and they wouldn t stop propaganda broadcasts until they receive that apology. of course, it s the propaganda broadcasts that have led to the ultimatum from the north. now, that all gives a fairly grim picture of one side waiting for the other to blink, but the talks continue. it s now, what? quarter past, getting after quarter past 10:00 in seoul. the third day of talks. they clearly must have something to talk about, jose. ian williams, thank you very much. i want to bring in forbes columnist and asia expert gordon chang. thank you for being with me. the south wants an appall age for the land mine attack. the north wants to end the south s propaganda broadcast. is there a way this is going to be resolved? there eventually will be a way to resolve this because there are powerful incentives for both sides to come to some sort of an agreement. of course, there are obstacles. right now, you have both sides desiring peace on the peninsula, and that s the way this proba