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Difference between a federal appeals court judge who had been supported by both parties who rules in a certain way, and i think what neeras getting at, which is the rank, direct, blaring racism or name-calling that is different than a policy debate. >> well, again, if youre doing what paul ryan is doing, which is trying to take health care away from poor people, who will die without that kind of asis tax, agai tans. i dont know how different that is from trump calling somebody a name. theyre con...

States. they all say they can do better than washington, d.c. we give them that opportunity. >> it also repeals obamacare mandates. do you think that is something the democrats can get onboard with? >> well, jonathan gruber, who helped write obamacare, did a study published in new england journal of medicine, the individual mandate has no effect upon enrollment, according to grubers study. no effect. what does have an effect is a governor getting behind a project and pushing people to get enroll...

According to max baucus who was the chairman of the senate financial committee that helped write obamacare. so democrats know they have to act as well and they should be falling over themselves to work with republicans to find an solution. this is an issue that should unite it, it shouldnt divide us. health care is about people, its about relationships, and we need to focus on lowering costs, improving access and protecting people who are being hurt by the status quo. >> jenny beth, you mentione...

The point is, leadership calls for tough decisions sometimes. its never easy. >> one of the things that you want to change is you want to repeal obamacare. >> thats right. >> i should point out that you are a survivor of breast cancer, and were all very grateful for that. didnt your experience show you that the pre-existing condition part of obamacare is crucial? that there are so many people out there like you, but without your means, who wouldnt be alive if it were not for the part of the law ...

Part of obamacare is crucial? that there are so many people out there like you but without your means who wouldnt be alive if it were not for the part of the law that says, insurance companies have to take on people with pre-existing conditions? >> i absolutely endorse that goal. i did at the time. but guess what? none of that has worked. demonstrably, if you look at the results of obamacare, what you see is emergency room visits are up over 50%. health insurance premiums are up almost 40% now. ...

Just be the exact same way democrats took down mitt romney? >> im sure the democrats are going to use every single one of those talking points. you know what i think a lot of american voters think? wouldnt it be nice if, for once, we shrank the size of the federal government. wouldnt it be great, knowing, as we know, that you can sit in a federal government job and watch pornography all day long and earn the same pay, pension and benefits as somebody trying to do a good job. most americans would...

Doing away with obamacare. just yesterday we reported that 16 million americans are now covered by obamacare. are you comfortable with them losing their insurance? >> well obviously we have to have a better solution than obamacare. and when we dont provide a solution people are rightfully concerned. i think what we need to do is try what we have never tried. we have never actually tried a competitive health insurance market. the truth is health insurance companies have worked with regulators to ...

People. when you have very good rates like you have in california, $50 for a 30-year-old -- >> heres the last question. with all the problems with the website more than a dozen senate democrats -- not republicans -- democrats are now saying put off the penalties, even delay. in one case manchin is saying tkhraoeu -- delay the individual mandate a year. we heard from max baucus, the senator who helped write obamacare, here he is. >> maybe we should start thinking about delaying penalties. it is n...

People. when you have very good rates like you have in california, $50 for a 30-year-old -- >> heres the last question. with all the problems with the website more than a dozen senate democrats -- not republicans -- democrats are now saying put off the penalties, even delay. in one case manchin is saying tkhraoeu -- delay the individual mandate a year. we heard from max baucus, the senator who helped write obamacare, here he is. >> maybe we should start thinking about delaying penalties. it is n...

People. when you have very good rates like you have in california, $50 for a 30-year-old -- >> heres the last question. with all the problems with the website more than a dozen senate democrats -- not republicans -- democrats are now saying put off the penalties, even delay. in one case manchin is saying tkhraoeu -- delay the individual mandate a year. we heard from max baucus, the senator who helped write obamacare, here he is. >> maybe we should start thinking about delaying penalties. it is n...