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But no matter what the evidences -- it doesnt matter about the mueller report, about barrs testimony. it certainly doesnt matter about don mcgahn and all the other thing she is trying to use as distractions from the impeachment discussion. all this is about is taking it out on president trump. she knows this is a political loser. shes trying her best to bury it under the rug. >> harris: what do you think of and some of the things that maybe she and the president have said about this? because he ...

Say -- lets do a, b, c first and if that doesnt work, lets have the conversation about other things in the future. >> the president is at point a and point z. this is about presidential leadership. there has been a big shift in this country, it is clear, the ground is shifting beneath everybodys feet on this issue, the republicans in the house and the senate know that. and the president is the one person in his party and in the country right now who could lead -- nixon goes to china kind of thin...

Council under president obama and douglas brinkley, presidential historian. welcome to all of you. douglas, to you first. whats your assessment of president trumps tone and tenor today? >> i was surprised that he spoke like this on foreign soil, basically. continuing an assault on the media, but the very fact that hes kind of backing away from the idea that all of our intelligence agencies know that russia did, indeed, interfere with the 2016 presidential election, it struck me as very odd. it w...

Means. i think president trump doesnt really understand that. because hes not asking for immunity from democrats or immunity from a witch-hunt or immunity from congress. hes asking for immunity from prosecution by the justice department, okay? and so the question is why would he need that immunity? it doesnt do a -- you know, press or democrats or congress. .its because he may have committed a crime that the donald trumps justice department would prosecute him for. so thats whats on the table he...

To it. it affects your family, your friends. and you do it because you believe in a cause, or you believe in a candidate. you believe in something bigger than yourself, and when you lose, its excruciating and will be feign. as she said, for a very long time. to this day a do a would have, could have, should have in the 08 campaign. put more in the caucuses or talked more of humanity than experience. i feel for these people. theyre going to be talking about what have, could have, should have for ...

What he thinks about the state of our nation as people are pacing many challenges. larry, let me get this right. have you come up with a grading system for washington? >> i have a grading system. i dont do a, b, c, d f. i give them a b, d. b-d. interest stands for bovine droppings because i cannot say, you know, the other thing even on cable. you know, it is just total b.s. the -- my old grandma, granny, had a second grade education. she was born and half breed cherokee and was born on the -- re...

>> i think ali called him the great white dough. >> thats why i say they exuded overall a message of confidence, because everyone was good and they allowed everybody to completely flourish and you almost got the feeling in tampa, that they were tamping down some of their speakers so they couldnt outshine mitt romney. >> they had a great overarching theme to the whole convention which started with a biographical piece for michele obama, then bill clinton started defending what happened in the las...

Things. as "politico" points out, this is something thats done. laura bush did this. every wife does this. the empathy and humanization of the commander in chief is very necessary. theres a residual thing michelle obama does. shes comported herself with resolve and conviction. theres a grace and a steeliness. and as obama has really i think suffered and really been buffeted about fierce criticism, the republicans and being wishy washy on key issues, michelle obama helps obama on that front by vi...

Romney on the campaign trail. i asked for it. to kind of do a, you know, head to head comparison of who she might be up against. i dont see anybody on the republican side who can go one-on-one with the first lady. not that they ever have to, but they are compared. >> the obama campaign would do well to just show flash cards of marcus bachmann and anita perry and some degree ann romney who has seemed to learn lessons from 2008. you have anita perry out there crying about the memory of her grandfa...

If she ever said anything like that? we dont have any tape of mrs. romney on the campaign trail. i asked for it. to kind of do a, you know, head to head comparison of who she might be up against. i dont see anybody on the republican side who can go one-on-one with the first lady. not that they ever have to, but they are compared. >> the obama campaign would do well to just show flash cards of marcus bachmann and anita perry and some degree ann romney who has seemed to learn lessons from 2008. yo...