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and if you've had tb, hepatitis b, are prone to infections, or have flu-like symptoms or sores. don't start humira if you have an infection. be there for you, and them. ask your gastroenterologist about humira. with humira, remission is possible. /s welcome to "kasie d.c." i'm kasie hunt. we are live every sunday from washington from 7:00 to 9:00 p.m. eastern. tonight, executive disorder. the president puts his pen to paper, but this nation's immigration policy mess isn't going to be fixed overnight. plus, i traveled to the border to talk exclusively with senator kamala harris. i asked her whether it's time to abolish i.c.e. and she said, we might need to start from scratch. and just in tonight, the washington post reports stormy daniels will meet with federal prosecutors tomorrow. but first, when we came on the air last week, the country was at an impasse. the president calling on congress to act on sweeping immigration legislation to end the separation of immigrant families at the border with mexico. the president insisting he couldn't fix it alone. republicans in congress were by and large horrified and for the first time since the president's election, they said president trump, you've gone too far. and with every senate democrat also taking a stand against the policy, the president signed an executive order ending the policy he started the week saying he was helpless to stop. and now we are back at the start of the cruel circle. families are still in flux. federal officials are struggling to keep up to reunite those families and congress has no clear plan to reform an immigration system that has needed repair for decades. with all this, i'd like to welcome in my panelment here with me on set, politics reporter for the daily beast and msnbc contributor betsy woodruff. washington bureau chief for vice news, shawna thomas and principal at koej entitle strategies kevin mclaughlin. president historian msnbc contributor and author of the soul of america, the battle for our better angels, john meacham. john, i want to come to you in a second to -- for a little bit of conversation about exactly which angels are in charge right at the moment. i want to start with you, shawna thomas, because this week i remember sitting here a week ago sunday and wondering if this was going to be the kind of story that was actually going to breakthrough, that wasn't just going to be another handful of minutes of news cycle and those pictures galvanized the country. they galvanized both parties. and the president was forced to back down. >> yeah, and i think some of that is you still have people going down to the sites outside of el paso and down in mcallen. you had members of congress there yesterday. you were there apparently. >> briefly. >> briefly. >> yes. >> and also there was another event today that had basically activists, lawyers, immigration lawyers, that kind of thing. there are still people going down there. we had a correspondent there, santoro, one of the people there with someone running for congress in that district. as long as people keep drawing attention to this, i think it is going to last for a while as an issue. the thing is we're about to be on the 4th of july. we are going to be in the middle of summer, people are going to be taking vacations with their family, people are not going to be paying as much attention. i don't know if this issue goes all the way to the election and that's some of why it's still bubbling up because both democrats and republicans think this is an issue that either needs to be taken care of so it doesn't affect the election or democrats think they can possibly use it, which sounds callous and i understand that. but it is kind of the situation we're in in 2018. >> of course, we want to be sensitive and the reality, though, is that there still are thousands of kids who are, we think hundreds, at least 1800 plus kids who are still separated from their families at this point. john meacham, can you kind of put the week that was in perspective here for us? i mean, this has been an issue that we as a nation is have grappled with time and time again and we've had, you know, episodes where, you know, america has shown as the shining city on the hill and times when we have not quite frankly lived up to what the statue of liberty promises. >> absolutely. one of the first debates we had in the country in the 1790s, and you know it's a good sunday when you start with the 1790s. was a battle over the alien sedition acts, where we were an infant nation, and yet we gave the president of the united states the power to deport immigrants by fiat. illegal aliens, aliens he believed to be dangerous. into the 19th century where you had the chinese exclusion act, we had viciously racist rhetoric from mainstream political figures in the 19th century who worried that, to quote a senator from maine i think it was, worried there was going to be a yellow empire from california to the rockies if we didn't limit immigration from asia. there was the fears of the white working class that led to the rise of the second ku klux klan from 1915 to about 1927 that was explicit anxiety that immigrants were going to work harder and possibly for less money. now, conservatives who believe in a free market had some problems with intellectual consistency. that's never stopped them. into where we are now. and i think what's -- to me what's really interesting about the last 12 or 13 days or so is i believe it's the first time in the trump administration where the president has explicitly reversed course or at least begun to reverse course. i understand before people start tweeting, i understand that this is like an arsonist, you were congratulating an arsonist for putting out a fire. at least the fire was put out to some extent. and i think that the lesson for all of us and the country is that sustained public pressure, sustained resistance is absolutely essential at any moment in the life of the republic, but particularly one when we have a president who seems so determined to knock down the ordinary guardrails and the ordinary conventions of generosity that have marked our best eras. >> kevin mclaughlin, can you weigh in on what john meacham is putting out there? you are -- i don't know if you are a never trumper. i don't know if i want to label you that in public. >> i'm not. >> you are somebody who has been a member of the republican party sometime and seen it change under president trump. and quite frankly, this seems -- it felt to me like the first time that republicans said no way, we're not doing this. >> let me go back to 1790 polling data and i'll take you back like john did. i think there was a visceral reaction. republicans have worked hard to get themselves in a good place in the midterm election a first time in a long time. they all see it going up in smoke right now. you know, midterms are base elections so i think in the senate actually, i don't think this is having a huge impact. i think it might kind of sort of help, if you will, on the republican side, as long as it gets solved immediately. but on the house side with so many swing districts and so many retirements in those districts, it's a real problem on the house side. >> for sure. so, speaking of polling, the reports over the last week said that president trump wanted the showdown over immigration. my people love it, he said, according to "the new york times." we now have new polling from cbs news and it shows the vast divide in how americans are reacting and perceiving this issue. while 53% of americans strongly oppose separating children from their parents who enter the country illegally, americans are divided over whether reuniting them is a high priority. and the difference, surprise, surprise, is political party. 75% of democrats said reunification should be a top priority, while just a quarter of republicans said the same thing. and nearly 75% of republicans said those who entered the u.s. illegally should be punished as an example of toughness while 80% of democrats said they should be treated well as an example of kindness. here is the president this weekend in las vegas. >> we have the toughest border you can have considering the laws are the worst of the whole country. our immigration laws are a laughing stock all over the world. we're the only people -- people walk in, they put a foot in. please, would you like to register? other countries, they say get the hell out of here. >> and the president tweeting today in part, quote, we cannot allow all of these people to invade our country. when somebody comes in, we must immediately with no judges or court cases bring them back from where they came. kevin, i want go back to you on this, and betsy, i'd like you to weigh in as well. but clearly the president views this as a base issue, immigration. and the polling to a certain extent bears that out. i think my question is, is the number of those republicans shrinking as this presidency wears on? >> that may be true. i don't know. the problem i have with it is i think the base is pretty well locked down at this point. to be honest with you, the stuff the republicans would want to run on, economy, ending regulation, judges, that's really good for the base as it is on the republican side. and you don't have to lose people, per se, in droves when you do the hot button issue like immigration. i think that's the big reason that republicans just want to -- and congress want to move on and get on to the next thing. >> speaking of political -- the base of a party, this is the other side. this week i traveled to the otai mesa detention center in san diego to talk with senator kamala harris. during our conversation i asked her about the growing calls from progressive activists to abolish i.c.e. take a look. >> a lot of the signs that the rally you just held were people standli standing there saying abolish i.c.e. is that a position you agree with? >> listen, i think there is no question we have to critically reexamine i.c.e. and its role and the way it is being administered and the work it is doing and we need to probably think about starting from scratch because there's a lot that is wrong with the way that it's conducting itself. and we need to deal with that. >> what do you think should be the alternative to i.c.e.? >> well, first of all, i don't think that the government should be in the position of separating families and that is clearly what is part of what's happening at i.c.e. and dhs. you look at what's happening, again, in terms of how they're conducting their perspective on asylum seekers, that is a real problem and is contrary to all of the spirit and the reason that we even have the asylum rules and laws in the first place. so, their mission, i think, is very much in question and has to be reexamined. >> what do you make of that? is i.c.e. the bigger problem here? >> well, i don't know how you abolish an agency without abolishing the function. and i think the function is necessary. as far as what senator harris said about examining what they're doing, how they're doing it, i think that's absolutely something we should do. that's our responsibility to provide oversight. but ultimately there is going to have to be an agency before i.c.e. it was ins. there has to be some agency to administer the immigration laws in the country. there are a lot of questions to be answered. i don't know if i say abolish. i don't think that makes a lot of sense, but i do think looking at it makes a hell of a lot of sense. >> betsy woodruff, abolish i.c.e. is becoming a litmus test for democrats. >> that's right. i think particularly progressive activists are trying to make this a central -- trying to expand the overton window, if you will. in terms of the conversation that can be had about policy. that said, of course, these calls make people's heads blow up at dhs. and what you'll hear from dhs officials, rank and file, it's their job to enforce the law. they are a law enforcement agency and what they will say, pushing back against kamala harris, the senator from california, and senator king, is very much that the problem is the laws themselves. not the law enforcement agency. that's the argument you're going to hear back. that's something you'll hear from republicans as well. the challenge for progressives is to differentiate the way laws are enforced and the laws themselves. the one thing we know is congress is really bad at changing immigration laws. it's been a nonstarter for literally almost decades now, i think. and that's part of the reason there is such a push back against the agency enforcing the laws. >> i also think that how the agency does their job is also governed by who is at the top. so, the difference between the obama administration and the trump administration in the case of how i.c.e. performs their function, whether it be within the country or on the border is that this zero tolerance policy on the border was something that was from on high, right? so i.c.e. has to send their -- send the people that they catch on the other side of the border into the judicial system. that's not -- that's not the i.c.e. agent's fault. that is a higher -- that is a higher calling. >> absolutely. >> as well as like the raid everyone wants to point to, this is if you can have a sign that says abolish i.c.e. you can point towards those raids that are also doing things to families. but they are carrying out the policy of a president that has been hard on immigration since he ran for office. >> and let's remember how much of this comes back to doj rather than immigration enforcement. the zero-tolerance policy was a decision of the attorney general, jeff sessions, it was his idea. >> it's at the end of the day about the people who are in charge. let's refocus a second i do want to make sure we keep the focus where it needs to be, which is on these people who are still separated from their families. these mothers, fathers and of course the children. i was down on the border because senator harris went to visit that detention center to meet with mothers who had been separated from their children. here's a little bit more of our conversation. >> senator, you've had a long career in law enforcement i mean, can you compare what you saw in this facility to some of the other things you've seen? >> i mean, it's a prison, kasie, it's a prison. i visited some of the worst prisons in the united states and it is a prison. you walk in. there are two layers of barbed wire and fence. there are people in pods and there's kind of a more maximum security area and then the lower security area. the time i'm spending is to talk with mothers who have been ripped from their children and just -- and the pain, right? i mean, you know, they're sitting with the united states senators so they kind of hold it together and then we start to talk about it and the tears just start flowing. it's awful. it's the pain of having to leave the only country they've known, because it was so dangerous. it's the pain of traveling through an unknown land, right, through the country of mexico, relying on strangers in these caravans. the pain of all that they will be exposed to during that trek, right, not being in control of much. and the abuse they may endure. and then they arrive. and without even having the ability to yet give their story about the circumstances of their arrival, their children are taken from them and taken to unknown places. it's outrageous and it's inhumane. and it's unnecessary. and i think, kasie, that's one of the most important aspects of this whole issue. it's not necessary. it's actually not necessary. but you know why they did it? and this can't be lost in this conversation. they told us why they did it. the administration told us why they did it. they did this to deter others from coming to the country. so you have decided to exact what could be a lifetime of trauma over 2000 children for deterrence of other people? it's unconscionable. >> we're going to have my complete interview with senator harris up in the next hour. john meacham, with some of those descriptions, vivid descriptions -- i sat -- i rode with senator harris to the detention sen consider. there's rolls and rolls of barbed wire, double prison doors. it feels like -- it really feels like a prison. i'm curious, i mean, we have a couple dark moments in our nation's history that we all kind of remember. is this one that you think is going to get added to that list? >> it's certainly the most vivid manifestation of what so many people have feared about the trump administration. and i think you go from the travel ban early on to this separation policy and i do think also there is a difference between -- it gets kind of fuzzed up in the conversation. there is a difference between zero-tolerance illegal border policy and a separate children from parents. and i think that one can be for a strong border and find what's happening with these children to be abhorrent. i think that's an important distinction. and one that i believe, frankly a more morally sound and a more intellectually consistent administration might actually make. why wouldn't zero tolerance by itself be sufficient deterrent? that's a conversation that can be had. the trump administration isn't interested in having a conversation. they are reaping what they've sown. everything is a zero-sum game. everything is the war of all against all. and so i do think this moment partly because of visual imagery, partly because the president was forced to at least partially reverse himself. i think this will be something that at least extinction in the mind longer than most of the trump era, which is unfortunately there is so much of it, it's almost impossible psychologically to hold onto it. but we are called upon to hold onto it and hold fast to it because we don't want to be the era that intern the japanese. you want to be on the right side of history, and history is forever. these news cycles and breitbart and fox moments, even midterm elections, they come and go. but history is going to judge all of us as lincoln once said, down to the last generation, for where we stood in this era where we had a president who really turned an us versus them rhetoric into reality. >> and i think that notion of history finally got to at least some of the people at least that i talk to every day on capitol hill. we are just getting started here on "kasie d.c." when we continue, we'll get into the culture war, breaking out from a fashion statement that the first lady made to the press secretary being denied service at a restaurant. and in our next hour we'll dig into the book "born trump." author emily jane sfoks stops by. plus ken vogel has his offering on the white house featuring mar-a-lago. we're back after this. the blade quality you'd expect from gillette... at a price you wouldn't. the new gillette3 & gillette5. available now for $7.99 gillette. the best a man can get. we're listening to what matters most to you. and we're committed to improving every ride. starting with features designed to make it easy for your driver to find you... taking the stress out of pickups. ♪ we're putting safety at the heart of everything we do... by making it easy to verify your car, and driver. uber has new leadership, a new vision, and is moving in a new direction... forward bi then you might have a condition called dry mouth. bi moves look familiar proven to soothe and moisturize a dry mouth. plus, it freshens breath. biotène. immediate and long lasting dry mouth symptom relief. and now for the rings. 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let me tell you something. let me tell you something. i've got some, i've got some, i've got some relatives who picked cotton. >> welcome back. the debate over immigration policy has gone far past policy and left the basic decency behind on its way. mike huckabee is facing backlash after tweeting out this picture with the caption, nancy pelosi introduces her campaign committee for the take-back of the house. sarah huckabee sanders, the white house press secretary and mike huckabee's daughter was asked to leave a restaurant friday night in virginia because of where she works. sanders tweeted, quote, last night i was told by the owner of red hen in lexington, have, to leave because i work for the president and i politely left. that restaurant has since been inundated with positive and negative yelp reviews. meanwhile white house policy advisor stephen miller was reportedly called a fascist earlier this week while dining at a mexican restaurant here in washington. also, homeland security secretary kirstjen nielsen also engineer jeered while she ate out at a mexican restaurant. who wants to take this to start? shawna thomas, how about we start with you. >> there is a real conversation here about civility, right, and our ability to be in the same spaces at the same time with people who we do not agree with. and the sarah sanders example is one of those where was that the right way for the owner of that restaurant to handle the situation of sarah sanders eating in that restaurant? well, it's definitely not going to further the conversation between republicans and democrats for her to do that. however, the counter is was sarah sanders using her white house account, her at press secretary twitter account to basically rally the anger against this restaurant in virginia? was that a proper use of her function and her title and her job as well? neither of those things gets us any closer to being people who can actually talk about issues in the same room together, but it does really point to kind of where we are, which is it's an example of how divided we actually are. and it's scary that we're that divided. >> kevin? >> i do think that one of the things that's frustrating is, you know, if we want to stop and we want to raise the civility is people need to stop celebrating like on the left, they need to stop celebrating people like robert deniro what he said at the tonys. stop cheering what people are doing in restaurants. it's outrageous. it needs to be treated the same way people treat what president trump says people see as inciteful. we need to have a balance. we need to find it, i don't know how. somebody has to put a pin in the balloon. the balloon is about to burst. it's terrifying. feels like a powder keg. >> if we're going to demand do unto others what you have done unto you, we disagree we could at the very least in our personal treatment of each other axe that out. john meacham, is this situation, are we destined to keep going farther and farther down the sewer as this goes on? or is it recoverable? is civility gone forever? >> no, nothing is ever gone forever. it's redeemable. the founders wanted us to seek a more perfect union, not a perfect one. i agree that it's hard to see exactly how this rights itself, but it can, it should, and i think it will. you know, everybody is in this hobbsian moment. everything is weaponized. the little red hen, whatever it is, is weaponized, the mexican restaurants are. if you're on the left, you're thinking why isn't this appropriate? if i really believe that these people are -- that these people within the administration are ruining america, why can't i take a stand in the best way i know how? so i understand the reaction to it. and i think, you know, the trump people, there is a reason they are where they are. they are very good at playing suddenly, why can't we all get along, after they have relentlessly and really created a culture of bullying at the very highest levels. if anything, this is a reminder that the president, the presidency, has an out size effect on our manners and morals. some say we are too sentimental on the presidency. even before when he was attacking obama and his birth which is not an issue, if trump had not helped exacerbate the tribal tendencies, he wouldn't be -- his staff wouldn't be facing this kind of backlash. so you reap what you sow. >> far be it from me to disagree with john meacham, i don't think they're saying let's get along. i think they're using this to drive the wedge further and further. it's all tongue in cheek. i don't think there is anything about this that they're saying, oh, my gosh, can't we all be nice to each other in restaurants? >> the other piece of this is that it doesn't frighten the white house or republicans to have these protesters show up. in fact, there is some evidence that part of the reason donald trump was able to turn the primary significantly against ted cruz when he was was because some of these protests against trump happened and republican voters said, we want to support whoever is getting protested. so, especially on the right, especially among the president's base, these kind of protests result in sort of a conservative backlash that the white house likely believes can be politically useful to them. >> when we return, republicans in congress are split over how to fix immigration policy. i'll speak to congressman rodney davis who has been critical of the white house's approach. and as we go to break, a study from fox reveals male political reporters retweet their male colleagues three times as much as their female colleagues. according to that study, out of the top 25 political reporters who those men retweet the most, just three are women. the washington post sun min kim, great reporter is at number 11. politico's number 20, sneaking in at 21 yours truly. here is an opportunity to retweet women more. follow us on twitter and instagram "kasie d.c." you'll find wonderful women journalists on our show. you should follow them also. also tweet us pictures of your pets using the #dogs watching "kasie d.c." 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>> absolutely. i hope to co-sponsor it. but i hope we can actually get some movement on immigration reform. we've had a lot of people -- our leadership team has sat down with all facets of our republican conference because we're not getting assistance from the democratic side to address the issues all of us have said are bipartisan issue. let's secure our border. there are areas of our border that has to have a physical structure. not just with illegal immigration, but drugs that are coming in the country and ravaging the midwest and areas that i serve. we also need to address separation of families and we have to address how we deal with our immigration system at hand right now. eight what do you think is the likelyest outcome? do you think the house will vote on a separate stand alone to end family separation? >> i'm optimistic, kasie. you know me. i'm always the eternal optimist. i certainly hope so. i know those individuals, leadership and folks have been talking about a good compromise are sitting down again this weekend. and they're working hard to try and come up with that solution. the president, when he came in to see us last week and talk to our conference, he was clear that he supported both of the bills that we were supposed to put on the floor. >> sure, but then he tweeted, though, why bother, don't bother doing any of this because we have to win more seats to actually get something done. did that effectively kill any chance for that compromise legislation that was supposed tonight on the floor last week? >> if it killed think chance or compromise, nobody would have been talking this weekend to try and find that compromise. that's why you've got folks like jeff denim. david, carlos, mario. these are republicans that represent districts where immigration reform is much higher on the priority list for their constituents than many other districts that republicans serve in our conference. >> sure. >> these are the ones that are sitting down with leadership. i have to give our team a lot of credit for being able to sit down without any democrat assistance and try and put together a good compromise. and i'm hopeful that we can see that this week. >> do you think the freedom caucus, mark meadows, jim jordan, other conservatives, are they negotiating in good faith? i've talked to a number of your colleagues who feel like they keep moving the goal post, say one thing and change their minds again and again. >> it's certainly frustrating we couldn't come up with a plan that really was the president's four pillars, border security that actually funded a physical structure. it wasn't just authorization like most bills that we pass in congress. then we have to go back and vote again on the approps. we loved it all together. we addressed the daca population. 1.8 million daca and dreamer kids would have been taken care of and been granted legal status. >> in exchange for the wall. >> in exchange for the wall, exactly what many of my democratic colleagues who have been working with republicans on immigration reform have asked for. but it's getting too close to the election. the democrats aren't going to come together and help us govern on this issue because they know this issue divides republicans. so, i'm hopeful that our leadership team who has done a great job in making this happen -- and frankly i think there are some that are negotiating this that are a little more worried about where they may fall in the next leadership election rather than work and making our current leadership team look bad rather than actually coming up with -- >> you're talking about steve scalise and kevin mccarthy? >> no, i'm talking about people who don't want anyone in the current leadership team to remaybe r remain in leadership after this election. >> i see. >> i think there is a lot of ambition when it comes to negotiating legislation right now. >> very interesting undercurrent. okay. i want to also ask you, as you know, utah's primary alexis is set for tuesday. mitt romney has an op-ed in the salt lake tribune. i appreciate the argument made by those who believe we should stay silent, but i cannot subscribe to it. i know that any criticism may lessen the president's flexibility to enact policy with which i agree, but that end does not justify my silence in the face of things that matter. do you think that republicans need to show more courage in standing up to this president? >> well, there is the far-right and the far left, no matter what we do, i'm never going to stand up enough for the president for the far-right. and immediately when i agree to work with the president on issues like tax reform, immigration reform, the far left is going to say, why don't you just impeach him? we have to get to the common sense voters that are independents and those that really makeup middle america. we've got to stop this politicizing everything like dinner. the fact that sarah sanders couldn't go to a restaurant because of who she works for and her political beliefs, that's not the majority of voters in this country. donald trump was elected, in my opinion, because of this move toward making everything politically correct in this country. and frankly, his campaign was the antithesis of political correctness and he won. there are a lot of people that i serve in my district that voted because of what they see happening on the far-right and the far left. >> do you think -- i mean, this issue that we saw play out over the course of the last week, do you think it's a place where republicans who couldn't stomach it actually stood up to the president? and do you think the president is right that his people love what they saw this week? >> well, i'm not going to be able to answer the second part. i didn't hear or read what he said on that issue. but i can tell you there are a lot of people in our republican conference that have varying views on immigration reform. >> but on the family separation. >> family separation, that is a policy that is not unique just to this administration as we saw today with jeh johnson's comments. but this is an issue where democrats and republicans should come together and i would hope that we can to pass a bill to ensure that we fix policies so that the flores decision isn't going to be a permanent precedence. >> congressman davis, stay put. we're going to have you join our panel when we come back and we're going to talk about your party's evolving relationship with the president and his relationship with your party. >> you have an outstanding man in dean heller and i know, and i've been on both sides of him. and i want to tell you, he's a tough cookie. he's a tough cookie. and we want him on our side. woman: i stay active which is why i use armor tall ultra shine wash wipes.y. they effectively remove dirt, dust and grime with no water. that car is in tip top shape! we are both in tip top shape! armor all, it's easy to look good. prepare for your demise, do your worst, doctor. i will. but first, a little presentation. hijacking earth's geothermal energy supply. phase 1. choosing the right drill bit. as long as evil villains reveal their plans, you can count on geico saving folks money. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. long-time conservative columnist for the washington post george will surprised everyone this week with this headline. vote against the gop this november. in it he calls for republican caucuses to be, quote, substantially reduced. says speaker ryan traded his soul for a tax cut. calls congressional republicans, quote, the president's poodles and criticizes republican lawmakers for, quote, having no higher ambition than to placate the president. this after a long-time republican strategist steve schmidt tweeted this on wednesday. quote, 29 years and nine months ago i registered to vote and became a member of the republican party which was founded in 1854 to oppose slavery and stand for the dignity of human life. today i renounce my membership in the republican party. it is fully the party of trump. in another tweet he called the gop a, quote, danger to our democracy and our values. john meacham, put this in perspective for us. i mean, i have been reading george will for, you know, my entire working life and he has always been kind of viewed as a conservative touch stone, intellectual, a place where you could go to hear kind of the arguments that under pinned everything that then was played out across our governing system. he is now not simply saying i'm leaving the gop, he is saying vote for democrats. >> yeah. george is essentially a torrey. he's a birkyian conservative. >> i love it that way. on point. >> one of his best books was a book -- besides his baseball book which is one of the great booked ever, state craft, soul craft. he believes government is not always the right answer, that in fact there are organic reasons to have checks and balances on the state. i haven't talked to him about this, but i think basically he would have the view -- i don't want to pull him into this. my view is that the trump take over of the republican party is the first recorded case of a high jacker boarding a plane and the passengers sided with the high jacker. the question he is, has the republican party of eisenhower, reagan, both bushes, mccain, romney, is that a recoverable entity? and i think that's a very live question. not sure what the answer is. we have a fascinating senate race down here in tennessee that's going to test this to some extent. and whether a deep red state will go with a republican no matter what, when there is a conservative democrat on the ballot. but i think what george is saying is that the republican party that he knew as a young man at the "wall street journal" and becoming a syndicated columnist is no more. >> congressman davis, can you get you to weigh in on that? is this republican party the party of trump? do you recognize that as the same party you started out in? >> absolutely it's the same party. george will, i like his baseball book, too. i would hope he would go to middle america and talk to some of the trump voters. talk to the former democrat blue collar voters who gave him the victories in wisconsin, iowa, michigan, pennsylvania, ohio and other states. but george -- and mr. schmidt, too. remember, they live out here in the d.c. bubble. go talk to those voters who put president trump in place. and his goal to make a republican party and a republican house more of a governing house would actually be the antithesis of what he's asking for if he says, go vote against republicans, because most republicans who could lose are the ones who want to govern. >> if anything, it could make it -- i do take your point on that. kevin mclaughlin, final words. >> i'm with the congressman. between washington, d.c., new york conservatives and everyone else out there, fly over country. it's a huge disconnect, problem for folks in d.c. >> congressman rodney davis, thank you so much for your time. john meacham, thanks so you as well. let you get back to your cigar. coming up, a look at president trump's habit of praising strong men around the world, including one who is claiming victory in an election today. 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Laura Ingraham shines a spotlight on everyday Americans and examines how their lives are affected by politics at the federal, state and local level. converts, people who voted for him but didn't like him, however since formed than those who liked him in 2016 and have "cooled." despite the near daily barrage of negative coverage about mueller, tariffs, immigration, his approval ratings have remain pretty consistent. they have even improved with his rural base despite the stories were told about farmers who would turn on him over his aggressive trade policies. >> in 19 farm states surveyed for cnbc, ten states sought president trump rural approval rating improved between may and the end of july. seven stay the same and one, idaho, saw a decline. >> i am a big believer if you are in a bad deal, a lease, an agreement with the business partner, you owe it to yourself to step up and try to make it better for both parties. for sure it needs to be better for yourself. might not seem as charming when it seems like he's fighting everyone at once. they want things to calm down a little bit. for president trump, the message is simple. be the happy warrior we see at a lot of these rallies touting the economic resurgence. pat yourself on the back a little. the renaissance and manufacturing and talk about how you want the economy to benefit all people, forgotten americans of all backgrounds, races, ethnicities, like you did this afternoon. to get one of the single most important things we are doing is help former inmates creating jobs. we are upgrading so many jobs for former inmates. for the first time, they are getting a shot at it. our unemployment rate is so historically low. the economy is booming. businesses are hiring, and recruiting workers that were previously overlooked, they are being hired. it's a great feeling. it's a great thing we have all accomplished. >> laura: is an reform, job training, that's vital. it's a vital issue to this country. recidivism. we want to decrease it if we ca can. it's an initiative the president is trying to get to yes on and it might have the added benefit of helping with some of those discontented voters who are on the fence as well. finally, mr. president, don't ignore the right track reading at the top. as "the washington post" wrote ahead of the 2016 election, "the nation's mood is intrinsically important, providing a basic gauge of how americans think the country is doing and whether people are more optimistic or pessimistic than in the past. presidents can succeed or fail regardless of the public's mood, but the public's overall outlook sets the stage for political debate." sets the stage for political debate. that final line is most important for trump and republicans. use the data point. draft off the economic success. be positive about america's current economic standings. it's a great time to be an american. america, we have problems but my goodness, other than the early years of reagan, i can't think of a better economy. set the terms of the debate yourself. do not be defined by others. we are already on the right track, mr. president. all you need to do now is not let the wrong track get you sidetracked. and that is "the angle." joining us now with the reaction is garland nixon, a radio talk show host. matt schlapp, american conservative union chair, and candace owens, of turning point usa. garland. >> initially, and i predicted trump would win. i would say the republicans will have some losses. they will definitely have losses in the midterm because it is kind of like yelp reviews. the people who are happy tend to mellow out and the people who are really angry are the most motivated. the democrats are going to have an advantage as people who show up at the polls. >> laura: some of the trends in the last election, in the Laura Ingraham shines a spotlight on everyday Americans and examines how their lives are affected by politics at the federal, state and local level. midterm. if they do, the house could be lost. if it is lost, so much of the trump agenda stops. >> laura: the president addressed the issue of chicago and he talked about how it is so important that have good leadership, deliver results for people on the ground. should he go to chicago? >> absolutely. >> laura: tell us your thoughts. some republicans say it will be a disaster. he was going to go during the campaign and they had to call about because of protests. could he go, listen to the people in the ground in chicago come here what they have to say? >> now is absolutely the time frame to make an appearance in chicago. first and foremost, i want to thank you for this coverage of last weekend. you did so much coverage from chicago. i didn't see it across that works by saad on your show. such an important issue that is facing the black community. he should send the national guard to chicago. it's unbelievable, incompetence of putting that 71 people were shot over the weekend. they haven't caught anybody for these crimes. it's the perfect time. polling is up in the black community. the rasmussen poll two weeks ago said his support doubled since this time last year which means black people are paying attention to the results of this administration, not smudge the rhetoric of the left, accusing him of racism and sexism at every turn. now the time for him to appear in chicago. president, please do it. >> laura: we had obama do my brother's keeper initiative. we had al sharpton moved there temporarily. there weren't -- you had a murder rate declined but that's only after the really high average of the last few years. something has to be done in chicago. i completely agree with candace. let's talk about the democrats. it's not peachy. this was the new it girl for socialism, alexandria ocasio-cortez who said this yesterday when she was asked by chris cuomo about whether nancy pelosi is really the leader of the party or will be. >> do you recognize her as the leader? >> i think absolutely right now. she is the leader. leader pelosi hopefully will see she's the current leader of the party and i think the party absolutely does have its leadership in the house. we have our leadership in the senate as well. >> laura: i think she was more favorable to capitalism the other day and her comments. then to nancy pelosi. what's going on with this revulsion toward nancy pelosi? >> the democrats have been losing for the last eight years and it's not unreasonable to question the people of lead them to little big horn. >> laura: also got a lot done as speaker. they did obamacare. they push the big stimulus. >> the other issue with her is that the democratic party has understand that their millennial base, which will be the largest voting bloc in 2018 and 2020, they have a different concept. they weren't around for the soviet union. the word socialism, words like that. it doesn't mean anything to them. they're listening to policy. the democratic party needs to understand that because if they get the millennial boat out, they are in really good shape. if they continue doing what they are doing, and they don't engage the millennial boat and understand, they just beat them up and say -- >> the midterm isn't about millennials. republicans have faults, of course. the best thing republicans have going for them is when people see their dead center heart and soul of the democratic party and its radical and it's left and it's -- >> laura: they are going to shut down deportation. candace, this was anderson cooper with blankley. let's watch. >> would you want to sit down with donald trump and have a conversation? >> no. i don't use his name either. agent orange. >> do you consider him your president? >> no. might be prudent. >> laura: candace. >> here's what i will say about that network. what they do all the time is employed black athletes and black stars. we saw this with lebron james. it's a mechanism of control of the black community. they say i found some of your idols, people who are prominent in your community and they are saying they hate trump and they are hoping they're going to be able to drum up the heat. it hasn't been successful. they need to switch strategies altogether. as i said, it's not going to matter if they keep doing this. they can bring out any black person they want that's going to speak out against trump. the black community cares at this moment about results and we are getting the results that we have been begging for. we have seen them. black unemployment at an all-time low. there are jobs. spike lee, cnn, it makes sense but it's not coming i'm too concerned about. it's not going to impact the black vote. >> laura: i can't imagine what the left would do, what democrats would say if someone said something again to what he just said about president trump. he called him agent orange. he won't use his name. they went after that joe wilson from screaming "you lie" during the state of the union. they crucified joe wilson. agent orange? an athlete went on television and called him, he's not my president? you would have a follow-up. what about unemployment? what about the fact that democratic led cities are coming with crime and gang violence. what about the fact that his numbers among black people have gone up? they would hit him with these things if the shoe was on the other foot. you don't speak like that. i know you wouldn't speak like that. >> i understand. for eight years, i heard that. there was a big "not my president" kind of movement. >> laura: never would i never say that. i would never say that. someone as prominent as spike lee who was such a talented filmmaker. his wife was in my class at uva law school. >> i think what it reflects, it's not good for the democratic party. the democratic party, one angle is to get your people so angry to try to get them to show up. >> laura: what are they angry about? what are the democrats angry about except pelosi? >> they need to develop a platform that is attractive to the working class. they may have some success in 2018 with what they are doing because people are upset, but 2020 is a whole different story. if they don't get a platform together, then they are toast. >> laura: this is one of the two socialists approved candidates who ocasio-cortez endorsed who won the other night, michigan congressional candidate. let's watch. >> when you are elected formally in november, you will have a vote as part of the democratic caucus as to who will be the next leader, whether it be minority leader or speaker of the house. will you vote for nancy pelosi? >> probably not. that's my answer. no, probably not. >> laura: so the party moves kind of hard laugh. nancy pelosi is no conservative democrat. >> if they pick up a lot of seats, there is no question she's going to have competition. nancy pelosi is one of the most unpopular politicians we've seen in the modern age. it could be nancy pelosi or worse. >> laura: republicans clean house. republicans got tired of john boehner. they were tired of him, god bless him. he is lobbying for part now. they got tired of him and he's gone. so what if the democrats want to get rid of pelosi? it's probably smart. >> we are seeing a split in the democratic party. people like nancy pelosi, maxine waters, they are driven by heat and animosity for this president. people like alexandria ocasio-cortez, i don't think she is driven by hate. i think she believes this platform could work, that socialism could work. the hard left, they are driven by lack of understanding for mathematics and the utopian concept for the world might work. unfortunately, it's going to be problematic for them if they can figure out and get this party together, just the people that hate trump versus the people who don't understand math. it's going to be externally problematic for them heading into the midterms must i'm interested to see was going to take place. >> laura: candace, have you been attacked at breakfast lately? what were you eating, kansas? -- candace? >> i had chicken and waffles. it was a really good meal. the manager said i thought for a moment that outside there were vegan protesters. [laughter] >> laura: i think by the looks of the protesters, you could have taken most of them. no problem. great panel, guys. i love having you on. it sounds like common sense. permanently deploy more police in chicago and its most ravaged areas. that new pushes sparking a huge uproar in the windy city. details after this. >> laura: as violence flares in chicago, city officials and residents are locking horns over a solution about how to stop it. one chicago alderman, anthony beale from the far south side is leading the charge on what sounds like a common sense solution. permanently reassigning officers to the city's most gaining ravaged areas. but the proposal is generating huge blowback. why? over fears that it could generate a surge in crime in some of the safer districts of chicago. is this another excuse to avoid badly needed radical solutions to stop this carnage? joining us now to analyze is the cochair of project 21, along with anthony, a criminal defense attorney. either of you are with me in the studio. i wish you were here. let's start with you, anthony. something has to be done in chicago. the residents are crying out for solutions. this is one resident. we will play her. excuse me. this is a young man. one resident of a talking with charlie kirk. let's watch. >> taking care of certain parts of town as they should. they are taking care of downtown. they take care of the north sid side. south and west sides are left. >> laura: he said you take care of these rich areas basically. but our areas aren't getting the help. we have a lot of police being reassigned today through the weekend these bad areas. what about the idea of permanently reassigning officers to the worst of the worst areas? why is that controversial? >> well, i think it's controversial, laura, because what we have been a lot of high policed areas or areas that are police, particularly communities of african-american and hispanics, we have over policing where a lot of innocent people end up getting tagged or pulled aside or stopped unconstitutionally against their fourth minute right. i have represented gang members in l.a. i represented gang members who, and they have a whole community afraid of them. so what we don't need his police command, doubling the fear if it's not going to be strategically placed and constitutional provisions are not going to be there. there is nothing wrong with permanent policing, but it needs to be constitutional provisions to protect the 98% of the community that is not causing the trouble. >> laura: the problem is a small percentage of people are turning those areas upside down. the carnage over the weekend was unacceptable. horace, there's great concern in the black community about aggressive policing that turns innocent people into feeling like criminals. in these comments are heartfelt. they are made. you hear them over and over and over again. yet residents of the south and west sides of chicago, on camera over the last several days, saying we need help. there's two competing views. where you come down? >> these people are living literally in war zones. it is unbelievable that the conversation is being held that grandma can't go and get her prescription filled. her granddaughter can't get to school without a drive-by shooting. that job won't locate in those communities, perpetuating poverty because investors will not go where there is this elevated level of crime. what you need is a common sense idea, the same thing that happens when you are on the interstate, when the officer with his car prominently on the side of the road, all of all of a sudden, everybody slows down. even people who are law-abiding take notice. what we need to do is have an elevated presence of law enforcement in these communities. it doesn't need to be for a weekend. it doesn't need to be for a few weeks. it needs to be a year, two or three if necessary. that's the way that you can make it safer, and that's the way that this war zone mentality can go away. >> laura: this is what donald trump -- hold on. we are going to player sound bite from president trump. this was today addressing issues such as prison reform. they touchdown sentencing reform and chicago. let's watch. >> we must strengthen community bonds with law enforcement including cities like chicago that have been an absolute and total disaster. 63 incidents last weekend and 12 deaths. that's bad stuff happening. probably i guess you have to take from the leadership. it's called bad leadership. there is no reason in a million years that something like that should be happening in chicago. >> laura: anthony, he is obviously dinging rahm emanuel's leadership in chicago. given your background, do you think rahm emanuel has done a good job? >> no, i don't. i think rahm emanuel has done a horrible job. that's not really the point. i want to ask horace, does he really think with the statistics we have, where african-americans are pulled over more without reasonable cause or without probable cause or where they are arrested more often or where they are sentenced harsher. with all of these statistics, do you really want a permanent police force there that's not strategic and that's not following fourth amendment rules? what are you going to do to make sure those rules are set? that fourth amendment reasonable standard the founders. in their will be followed? i think it's very important. >> you can hide behind the fourth of them at all you want. here are the facts. black americans, particularly in chicago, are dying as a result of the failure of law enforcement to be welcomed in and to let them play the role they are capable of doing. here's what needs to happen. with the mayor needs to do, what the governor of the state needs to do, is create a joint task force where they immediately allow for the state law-enforcement officers to come in. they also need to work with the department of justice and they allow for new prosecution teams to come in. you absolutely are going to hav have -- >> okay. >> laura: the goal. the goal, hold on. >> here's the problem with that. >> laura: go ahead real quick. >> here's the problem with that. there's white people dying in appalachia, in kentucky. why aren't you so concerned about them? they are dying by numbers. i will tell you why. when the police come there, they are not going to be over policed. >> laura: anthony. hold on, hold on, hold on. anthony. anthony. anthony. hold on. anthony, we are concerned about all people here on this show. the chicago murder rate is high. it's higher than new york. it's higher than los angeles. it has to change. i think we all want that. we differ on how to get there, but we all wanted to change. we don't want people pulled over unnecessarily. we don't want people's constitutional rights violated. sometimes the police will pull someone over and it will be fair. i understand that happens, and it's terrible. if you can save lives this weekend and every weekend this summer and beyond with smarter policing, smarter community involvement, may be president trump can offer some solutions with other faith-based leaders, that's a good thing. i think we all have to get out of our corners and come together and get back to basics in all parts of the country where we are having problems. whether it's opioids, chicago, burlington, vermont, where they have a huge drug trade. we have to get together as a country and solve it. otherwise we're going to keep losing americans unnecessarily. anthony. >> yes, i agree with all that. i don't want the environment of police creating more criminals and incarcerating more people and they go back in the community and create more crime. >> those talking points are killing people. there is a small number of people in these communities that are creating a nightmarish existence. >> laura: guys. >> these people need to be pulled out of the community. >> laura: they need to be incarcerated. if not, we are going to see kids on bicycles killed again as we did last weekend. all right, guys, great segment. thank you. jeff sessions is taking on one of conservative speeches biggest enemies. we will tell you what it is when we come back. many in the media simply parroted that is a fact. they've used this designation as a weapon, and they have wielded it against conservative organizations, others than adf, who refused to accept their orthodoxy and choose instead to speak for their conscience. i wanted to come back here tonight partially because i wanted to say this. you are not a hate group. >> laura: joining us now with reaction, harmeet dhillon, an attorney and rnc committee woman for california, does a lot of civil-rights representation. along with joe, a civil rights attorney. great to see you both. in general, let's start with you. the southern poverty law center, cited by the mainstream media as an unbiased organization that's a national treasure because, you know, it points out the bad people. there are a lot of bad people. white nationalist, nazi groups, that type of person. but then they also label with the hate label people like ben carson, who was put on an extremist watch list. the israeli ambassador. they urge the israeli ambassador not to attend a dinner hosted by frank gaffney who has views on islamism and so forth. center for immigration studies done enormous research on immigration. of course the alliance defending freedom, a group i have spoken to before, that has litigated cases. most recently i think it's a wedding cake case of the supreme court involving the baker in the gay couple. what's going on here? if you disagree with the southern poverty law center, you are a hater? >> i wouldn't agree with the fact that they are unbiased. of course they are biased to their own position but that's what's so great about the first amendment. they are allowed to do that. the problem here is that the attorney general is using the office of the attorney general to suppress first amendment rights of these organizations in the name of religious freedom which is yet another constitutional right. that's a real problem because people look at the attorney general as an office that shouldn't -- that should instill confidence confidence e government allowing you to enjoy your constitutional rights. he's using one constitutional right against the other and basically starting political wildfires. >> laura: i think it is the opposite. i think he is saying religious freedom which is defended by the alliance defending freedom is a sacrosanct right. just for defending religious freedom, labeling someone as a hater and a hate group, that probably hurts their fund-raising. it probably hurts any corporate association they have. the label is meant to do monetize individuals, corporations pulling back and association. you see it on big tech, what they are doing with the suppression of conservative speech. this is a different way to do it. >> absolutely. i like my friend joe but he's upside down. what's been happening in the government is that the government has been using in partnering with southern poverty law center's list as a a to suppress speech. the fbi is continuing to partner with the national organization of women, southern poverty law center, naacp and other groups. splc is about as objective as antifa. they are far left organization and it's a disgrace that they are silencing speech. a couple years ago the family research council was shot up in d.c. by an attacker trying to kill people there because that group was on the splc list. in silicon valley, like you mentioned, the effect of this is that matching programs and corporations where corporations will say if you give money to a charity like alliance defending freedom, an outstanding christian first member law firm, they will not match it if the organization is on that list. on top of that, amazon will not match contributions in their smile program if the splc has put it on their hate list. who made these people, the soros funded in the far left organization the arbiter of what is far left speech in america and what is not. it's fine for them to have their viewpoint but it's also fine for us to fight back. it's not fine for the government to use their false list as a weapon to attack citizens. >> laura: they have a half a billion dollar budget. they get a lot of money from a lot of rich people. joe, my point is they would rather level people haters thene underlying subject. i live that every day. people don't want to debate you because they lose on the facts, so they want to label you thing things. that's not american. have the debate. have the debate vigorously. built label people haters can accept the ones who should be labeled haters like the white nationalist and the nazis. >> labeling people haters as part of their first amendment right. there are far right groups who have a have billion dollars as well. the real problem here is that the attorney general is using his office to pit one constitutional right against the other. where does that end? you could look at a lot of religions and make the claim that they have some sort of hate speech. we shouldn't be doing this. the attorney general should be uniting people here in the united states. but the reality is, he's a darling of the confederacy. >> laura: what does that mean? >> that is not fair. >> laura: that is poisonous. jo. >> if you look to his voting record, views that are anti-lgbt, anti-immigrant. of course, this is known stuff. >> laura: once again, if you believe in border enforcement and legal immigration reforms, you are anti-immigrant. people just rejected that in 2016. people rejected that in 2016. they don't like being called that because when you say that, that means the trump voters are anti-immigrant, and they are not. they are good people. they we are out of time. great segment. an atlanta school facing an uproar after trying to ditch the pledge of allegiance. we have some breaking news on the story. stay there. once-weekly ozempic®. in a study with ozempic®, a majority of adults lowered their blood sugar and reached an a1c of less than seven and maintained it. oh! under seven? 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(vo) go national. go like a pro. >> to the flag of the united states of america and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under god indivisible with liberty and justice for all. >> laura: well, well. and atlantic charter school is reeling tonight after having announced it was going to ditch the pledge of allegiance from the mourning agenda. according to the atlanta neighborhood charter school, it made its decision due to the more and more students and staff choosing not to recite or stand during the pledge in recent years. the announcement sparked a storm of controversy come as you can imagine. tonight the school announced it is backtracking on its decision. book could be seen more schools across the country trying the same move? joining us and with reaction, university of maryland professor jason nichols, back by popular demand. along with writer and clinical analyst gary sheffield. jason, they are backtracking. saying that you can see that pledge or the school cheer or something. what does it say about us that this is a controversy? i am almost wanting to treat this as something hilarious. i think those kids reciting the pledge is so cute and i remember doing it as a kid. it wasn't controversial. it was what you do. why are we here? the gothic is controversial because they want to use the kids at the beginning of the morning and they feel this pledge, many kids opt out. when i was a kid, there were kids who were jehovah's witnesses and they didn't recite the pledge. sometimes they would go to a separate room. they really want to build community in they think this is getting in the way of that. i have to throw my dig in there and say that if you are against this and if you have a problem with this, then you probably have a problem with betsy devos and the secretary of education, trying to move more towards charter schools where we get to take public funding but make their own rules. >> laura: do you find, you find saying the pledge, requiring that, your view is that it's divisive? >> i'm not saying it's divisive but i do think there are many people who opt out. that is their first amendment rights. >> laura: they can do that. but they can say one nation, and they don't have to say under god. a lot of people don't say under god and they go on. i don't remember this being a controversy. they just say one nation. indivisible with liberty and justice. apparently people still do believe in liberty and justice for all orders that also controversial? because some people feel it's better than not -- >> i have to take issue with what you said about charter schools. if anything that shows how responsive charter schools are. imagine if a public school sector, public union backed teachers, when they try to make changes and there's public accountability, public outcry, nothing happens. so this is actually a case in point, showing the agility of charters. i applaud that. also i am pro-charter. seeing something that something that was a charter school that was antifreedom because to me it equals freedom. i think this speaks to the broader issue of trying to turn people against each other, trying to tear in our social fabric against things that represent the united states of america. and no one, including martin luther king jr., would sit here and tell you if you were alive today, he knew that our country wasn't perfect but we are working toward a more perfect union. when you try to shut down the pledge of allegiance, that's the opposite of building a union. >> laura: i think we should just do jumping jacks, push-ups. can we say drop and give me 50. wouldn't that be better? michelle obama is about let's move. i am all for that. i would like to use the exercise of the beginning of the day. i wanted your thoughts on this. this is something, i have teachers in my family. just recently retired public school. should cell phones be allowed or banned from school classrooms? countries like france are putting government mandated bands on cell phones for elementary and middle school students on their campuses. more u.s. cities like boise, idaho, are doing the exact opposite and lifting cell phone bands from their students. think of this was a tough one. >> laura: come on, professor. do you want them to be on their phone? it's annoying. >> it is totally annoying and it can be disruptive. at the same time, as we have seen with some of the school shootings and things have been going on from a cell phones have really helped in those situations to call the police in an emergency. i understand why they would want to have those cell phones there but also cell phones have encouraged a lot of bullying and fights and things like that. nobody -- >> laura: how about cheating? have you caught anybody cheating? >> i haven't. maybe i'm just bad at catching people. >> laura: how many times during average class to see student looking down at her phone checking facebook? >> i can't even count. >> laura: they could be listening to your lecture, following, taking notes. instead, they are on their phone. it's not good for learning. during the class, focus on the professor. >> i agree. during class, they shouldn't be on it. >> laura: have it in your locker. have it in your locker. >> have it in your bag. >> i am inclined, whatever the french say to do, we should do the opposite. for that fact alone, i say embrace the cell phone. and also in cases of emergency, absolutely. laura, you said take notes. i take notes on my cell phone. >> laura: okay, carrie. you are a young woman. do you remember or not being 14 and you've got the boys in the first row. they are texting each other. in high school and junior high, do you remember? >> i am a little older. >> laura: do you remember? >> the difference that it's updated. you would send paper notes. >> laura: less distracting. >> i think it's more distracting. >> laura: yes, no, i will think about it. >> if you have your laptop out, you probably don't need your cell phone as well to take notes. >> laura: fantastic conversation. but i think it happens more than you are even admitting in your classes. they are all on their phones. >> definitely. i agree. >> laura: do tell them to put them down? >> it says in the syllabus to silence your phone, keep it in your bag. >> laura: they are on their laps. you are making important point. it's like in the movies. put them away. >> that's what i'm more worried about. teachers not enforcing it, teachers trying to be buddy buddy with the students rather than enforcing it the discipline. that's what i'm worried about. >> laura: thank you so much. the media and liberals attempt to understand trump supporters, it kind of fails a lot. one professor may have finally discovered why. he joins us next. a lot of professors next. >> laura: no matter how how hard they try, liberals can't seem to figure out trump supporters and their loyalty to the present. a sociology professor at columbia university may have figured out why they keep getting it's all wrong. he was on radio this morning, and now he joins us with more. professor, good to see you. thanks for being on in the morning and at night. doing double duty. appreciate it. what's going on here with some of the polling and some of the research you've been able to call through? >> there is a few things we see in a lot of studies intended to understand that 2016 election. the main problems seem to be things like presidential judicy design. what motivates trump motors? -- trump voters? of course there is no surveys about why would someone vote for hillary clinton? is it because they are anti-american? so there's this sort of prejudicial study design is a big problem. sometimes there are glaring errors, statistical errors that somehow get through by people who know better and by editors who know better. they are cited by other people who know better. not on purpose. i don't think it's a cynical thing. i think for the most part it's just an issuer the studies are confirming something. these kinds of errors creep in and go unnoticed. >> laura: once one study is published or one poll, it just gets repeated, paraphrased in another website and another and another. i want to show for our viewers what we are talking about. one particular question that illustrates your point. you're not a fan of the president, we should say. you're not a trump supporter. in fact the opposite. this is a cnn poll. question: which of the following do you think is more important? imposing tariffs on imports from foreign countries to protect certain u.s. industries. 25%. maintaining good relations with countries that have been close allies of the u.s. for many years. of course people are going to say that from 63%. so that's a problem because, professor? >> absolutely. the result there was probably the result of what we call framing effect. for instance, if they rephrased the question something like do you support -- like maintaining, like protecting the u.s. economy or u.s. services, critical u.s. manufacturing. >> laura: it's a phrasing issue. classic prejudicial framing issue. when you say maintaining good relations, countries that have been close. it's a biased way to frame it. it's so obvious. also something we want to get too quickly, the pairing of donald trump with racism on the google searches. donald trump white supremacy. donald trump xenophobia. 10,000 results. 2300 results. 3,000 results. why is that a problem? >> what's astonishing is it takes a long time to publish anything in an academic journal. half a year, a year. so the fact that just since 2016, there were these tens of thousands of studies that were published, all of them having the same -- if you survey the abstracts and titles of these words, they all tell the same story. trump voters were racist. at bayer, our roots run deep. so chances are, you've seen us around the house. or... around the yard. on the shelf... or even... out in the field. your mom knew she could always count on us... and your grandma did too. because for over 150 years, we've been right by your side. advancing the health of the people, plants and pets you love. so, from all of us at bayer... thank you for trusting in us. then... and now.

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Laura Ingraham shines a spotlight on everyday Americans and examines how their lives are affected by politics at the federal, state and local level. Laura Ingraham shines a spotlight on everyday Americans and examines how their lives are affected by politics at the federal, state and local level. recidivism. we want to decrease it if we can. and it's an issue that the president is desperately trying to get to yes on and it might also have the added benefit of helping with some of those discontented voters who are on the fence as well. finally, mr. president, don't ignore the right track reading at the top. as "the washington post" wrote ahead of the 2016 election, "the nation's mood is intrinsically important, providing a basic gauge of how americans think the country is doing and whether people are more optimistic or pessimistic than in the past. presidents can succeed or fail regardless of the public's mood, but the public's overall outlook sets the stage for political debate." sets the stage for political debate. that final line is most important for trump and republicans. yoout that -- use that data point. draft off the economic success. be positive about america's current economic standings. it's a great time to be an american. america, we have problems but my goodness, other than the early years of reagan, i can't think of a better economy. set the terms of the debate yourself. do not be defined by others. we are already on the right track, mr. president. all you need to do now is not let the wrong track get you sidetracked. and that is "the angle." joining us now with the reaction is garland nixon, a radio talk show host. matt schlapp, american conservative union chair, and candace owens, of turning point usa. garland. your react? >> initially, and i predicted trump would win. here's what i will say. i think the republicans will have some losses. they will definitely have losses in the midterm because it is kind of like yelp reviews. the people who are happy tend to mellow out and the people who are really angry are the most motivated. those are the ones that are going to show up and the democrats are definitely going to have an advantage as far as people who show up at the polls, the question is how much. >> laura: some of the trends in the last election, in the 12th district of ohio, yeah, pull out a victory may be barely by the skin of his teeth. the turnout for democrats was very strong. >> you're right. >> laura: it was stronger, i believe than the presidential turnout in the same district where trump won big. his approval rating is high. you can say that candidate made mistakes. a couple of verbal gaffes that were really unfortunate. does it portend other problems? they're jacked up. i don't blame the democrats. we were excited in 2010. they're excited now. >> i think the right track, wrong track is important. let's look at what happened in the special election. you're exactly right. in the last week or ten days, his lead collapse. he said some stupid things. he might need to go to candidate training school which a lot of candidates need to do. it also shows the motivation and the energy is definitely on the left. for trump supporters out there in the country, what they have to understand is the house is very losable. and they can't be cavalier about this idea that i am for trump and i will skip the mid-term. if they do, the house could be lost. if it is lost, so much of the trump agenda stops. >> laura: the president addressed the issue of chicago and he talked about how it is so important that have good leadership, deliver results for people on the ground. should he go to chicago? >> absolutely. >> laura: tell us your thoughts. some republicans say it will be a disaster. he was going to go during the campaign and they had to call about because of protests. could he go, listen to the people in the ground in chicago and hear what they have to say? >> now is absolutely the time frame to make an appearance in chicago. first and foremost, i want to thank you for this coverage of last weekend. you did so much coverage from chicago. i didn't see it across the networks but i saw it on your show. such an important issue that is facing the black community. that is not spoken enough about. he should send the national guard to chicago. it's unbelievable, incompetence -- thinking that 71 people were shot over the weekend and they haven't even caught anyone for these crimes. it's the perfect time. polling is up in the black community. the rasmussen poll two weeks ago said his support doubled since this time last year which means black people are paying attention to the results of this administration, not so much the rhetoric of the left, accusing him of racism and sexism at every turn. now the time for him to appear in chicago. president, please do it. >> laura: we had obama do my brother's keeper initiative. we had al sharpton moved there temporarily. there weren't -- you had a murder rate declined but that's only after the really high average of the last few years. something has to be done in chicago. i completely agree with candace. let's talk about the democrats. the republicans have head winds but it's not peachy in the democrat side, either. this was the new it girl for socialism, alexandria ocasio-cortez who said this yesterday when she was asked by chris cuomo about whether nancy pelosi is really the leader of the party or will be. let's watch. >> do you recognize her as the leader? >> i think absolutely right now. she is the leader. of -- i mean, yeah -- speaker -- or leader pelosi, hopefully, will see -- she's the current leader of the party and i think the party absolutely does have its leadership in the house. we have our leadership in the senate as well. >> laura: i think she was more favorable to capitalism the other day and her comments. than to nancy pelosi. what's going on with this revulsion toward nancy pelosi? >> the democrats have been losing for the last eight years and it's not unreasonable to question the people of lead them to little big horn. >> laura: also got a lot done as speaker. they did obamacare. they push the big stimulus. >> the other issue with her is that the democratic party has understand that their millennial base, which will be the largest voting bloc in 2018 and 2020, they have a different concept. they weren't around for the soviet union. the word socialism, words like that. it doesn't mean anything to them. they're listening to policy. the democratic party needs to understand that because if they get the millennial vote out, they are in really good shape. if they continue doing what they are doing, and they don't engage the millennial vote and understand, they just beat them up and say -- >> the midterm isn't about millennials. republicans have faults, of course. the best thing republicans have going for them is when people see their dead center heart and soul of the democratic party and its radical and it's left and it's social. >> laura: they are going to shut down deportation. candace, this was anderson cooper with spike lee. let's watch. >> would you want to sit down with donald trump and have a conversation? >> no. i don't use his name either. agent orange. >> do you consider him your president? >> no. might be putin. >> laura: candace. >> here's what i will say about that network. what they do all the time is employ black athletes and black stars. we saw this we will brown james the other week. it's a mechanism of control of the black community. they say i found some of your idols, people who are prominent in your community and they are saying they hate trump and they are hoping they're going to be able to drum up the heat. it hasn't been successful. this isn't work. they need to switch strategies altogether. as i said, it's not going to matter if they keep doing this. they can bring out any black person they want that's going to speak out against trump. the black community cares at this moment about results and we are getting the results that we have finally -- we've been begging for these results. we are finally seeing them. black unemployment at an all-time low. there are jobs. spike lee, cnn, it makes sense but it's not coming i'm too concerned about. it's not going to impact the black vote. >> laura: i can't imagine what the left would do, what democrats would say if someone said something again to what he just said about president trump. he called him agent orange. he won't use his name. they went after that joe wilson from screaming "you lie" during the state of the union. they crucified joe wilson. agent orange? an athlete went on television and called him, he's not my president? not treated like. that there would be a follow up. what about unemployment? what about the fact that democratic led cities are coming with crime and gang violence. what about the fact that his numbers among black people have gone up? they'd hit him with all these things if the shoe was on the other foot. you don't speak like that. i know you wouldn't speak like that. >> i understand. for eight years, i heard that. there was a big "not my president" kind of movement. >> laura: never would i never say that. i would never say that. someone as prominent as spike lee who was such a talented filmmaker. his wife was in my class at uva law school. she's a lovely person. >> i think what it reflects, it's not good for the democratic party. the democratic party, one angle is to get your people so angry to try to get them to show up. >> laura: what are they angry about? what are the democrats angry about except pelosi? >> what they need to do is they need to develop a platform that is attractive to the working class. they may have some success in 2018 with what they are doing because people are upset, but 2020 is a whole different story. if they don't get a platform together then, then they're toast. >> laura: this is one of the two socialists approved candidates who ocasio-cortez endorsed who won the other night, michigan congressional candidate. let's watch. >> when you are elected formally in november, you will have a vote as part of the democratic caucus as to who will be the next leader, whether it be minority leader or speaker of the house. will you vote for nancy pelosi? >> probably not. that's my answer. no, probably not. >> laura: so the party moves kind of hard left. nancy pelosi is no conservative democrat. >> if they pick up a lot of seats, there is no question she's going to have competition. think about this. nancy pelosi is one of the most unpopular politicians we've seen in the modern age. it could be nancy pelosi or worse. >> laura: republicans clean house. republicans got tired of john boehner. the republicans got tired of boehner. they got tired of him, god bless him. he's now lobbying for pot. they got tired of him and he's gone. so what if the democrats want to get rid of pelosi? it's probably smart. >> we are seeing a split in the democratic party. we're seeing people like nancy pelosi and maxine waters, they are just driven by hate and animosity for this president. people like alexandria ocasio-cortez, i don't think she is driven by hate. i think she believes this platform could work, that socialism could work. the hard left, they are driven by lack of understanding for mathematics and the utopian concept for the world might work. unfortunately, it's going to be problematic for them if they can figure out and get this party together, just the people that hate trump versus the people who don't understand math. it's going to be externally problematic for them heading into the midterms must i'm interested to see was going to take place. >> laura: candace, have you been attacked at breakfast lately? what were you eating, candace? that got them all upset? pancakes? >> i had chicken and waffles. it was a really good meal. what's really funny, the manager said, i thought for a moment that outside there were vegan protests to my chick en and waffles. >> laura: i think by the looks of the protesters, you could have taken most of them. no problem. great panel, guys. i love having you on. it sounds like common sense. permanently deploy more police in chicago and its most ravaged areas. that new pushes sparking a huge uproar in the windy city. details after this. a huge uproar in the windy city. residents are locking horns over a solution about how to stop it. one chicago alderman, anthony beale from the far south side is leading the charge on what sounds like a common sense solution. permanently reassigning officers to the city's most gaining -- gang-ravaged areas. but the proposal is generating huge blowback. why? over fears that it could generate a surge in crime in some of the safer districts of chicago. but is this just another excuse to avoid badly needed radical solutions to stop this carnage. to stop this carnage? joining us now to analyze is the cochair of project 21, along with anthony, a criminal defense attorney. neither of you are with me in the studio. we'll have to deal with that. i wish you were here. let's start with you, anthony. something has to be done in chicago. the residents are crying out for solutions. this is one resident. we'll play her first -- excuse me, this is a young man. this is one resident today talking with charlie kirk. let's watch. >> taking care of certain parts of town as they should. they are taking care of downtown. they take care of the north side. south and west sides are left. >> laura: he was young to me. but he said, you basically take care of the rich areas but basically our areas aren't getting help. we have a lot of police being reassigned today through the weekend these bad areas. what about the idea of permanently reassigning officers to the worst of the worst areas? why is that controversial? >> well, i think it's controversial, laura, because what we have been a lot of high policed areas or areas that are police, particularly communities of african-american and hispanics, we have over policing where a lot of innocent people end up getting tagged or pulled aside or stopped unconstitutionally against their fourth amendment rights. remember, i've represented gang members in l.a. i represented gang members who, and they have a whole community afraid of them. so what we don't need is police coming in, doubling the fear if it's not going to be strategically placed and constitutional provisions are not going to be there. there is nothing wrong with permanent policing, but it needs to be constitutional provisions to protect the 98% of the community that is not causing the trouble. >> laura: the problem is a small percentage of people are turning those areas upside down. the carnage over the weekend was unacceptable. horace, there's great concern in the black community about aggressive policing that turns innocent people into feeling like criminals. and these comments are heart felt. they're made. you hear them over and over and over again. yet residents of the south and west sides of chicago, on camera over the last several days, saying we need help. there's two competing views. where you come down? >> these people are living literally in war zones. it is unbelievable that the conversation is being held that grandma can't go and get her prescription filled. her granddaughter can't get to school without a drive-by shooting. that jobs won't locate in those communities, perpetuating poverty because investors will not go where there is this elevated level of crime. what you need is a common sense idea, the same thing that happens when you are on the interstate, when the officer puts his car prominently on the side of the road, all of a sudden, everybody slows down, even people who are law-abiding take notice. what we need to do is have an elevated presence of law enforcement in these communities. it doesn't need to be for a weekend. it doesn't need to be for a few weeks. it needs to be a year, two or three if necessary. that's the way that you can make it safer, and that's the way that this war zone mentality can go away. >> laura: this is what donald trump -- hold on. we're going to play a sound bite from president trump. this was today addressing issues such as prison reform. they touched on sentencing reform and chicago. let's watch. >> we must strengthen community bonds with law enforcement including cities like chicago that have been an absolute and total disaster. 63 incidents last weekend and 12 deaths. that's bad stuff happening. probably i guess you have to take from the leadership. it's called bad leadership. there is no reason in a million years that something like that should be happening in chicago. >> laura: anthony, he is obviously dinging rahm emanuel's leadership in chicago. given your background, do you think rahm emanuel has done a good job? >> no, i don't. i think rahm emanuel has done a horrible job. that's not really the point. i want to ask horace, does he really think with the statistics we have, where african-americans are pulled over more without reasonable cause or without probable cause or where they are arrested more often or where they are sentenced harsher. with all of these statistics, do you really want a permanent police force there that's not strategic and that's not following fourth amendment rules? what are you going to do to make sure those rules are set? that fourth amendment reasonable standard that the founders put in there will be followed? i think it's very important. >> you can hide behind the fourth amendment all you want. here are the facts. black americans, particularly in chicago, are dying as a result of the failure of law enforcement to be welcomed in and to let them play the role they are capable of doing. here's what needs to happen. with the mayor needs to do, what the governor of the state needs to do, is create a joint task force where they immediately allow for the state law-enforcement officers to come in. they also need to work with the department of justice and they allow for new prosecution teams to come in. you absolutely are going to have -- >> okay. >> laura: the goal. the goal, hold on. >> here's the problem with that. >> laura: go ahead real quick. >> here's the problem with that. there's white people dying in appalachia, in kentucky. why aren't you so concerned about them? they are dying by numbers. i will tell you why. when the police come there, they are not going to be over policed. >> laura: anthony. hold on, hold on, hold on. anthony. anthony. anthony. hold on. anthony, we are concerned about all people here on this show. the chicago murder rate is high. it's higher than new york. it's higher than los angeles. it has to change. i think we all want that. we differ on how to get there, but we all want it to chaung. we don't want people pulled over unnecessarily. we don't want people's constitutional rights violated. sometimes the police will pull someone over and it will be fair. i understand that happens, and it's terrible. if you can save lives this weekend and every weekend this summer and beyond with smarter policing, smarter community involvement, may be president trump can offer some solutions with other faith-based leaders, that's a good thing. i think we all have to get out of our corners and come together and get back to basics in all parts of the country where we are having problems. whether it's opioids, chicago, burlington, vermont, where they have a huge drug trade. we have to get together as a country and solve it. otherwise we're going to keep losing americans unnecessarily. anthony. >> yes, i agree with all that. i don't want the environment of police being there to create more criminals anding incarcerate more people. community and create more crime. >> those talking points are killing people. there is a small number of people in these communities that are creating a nightmarish existence. >> laura: guys. >> these people need to be pulled out of the community. >> laura: they need to be incarcerated. if not, we are going to see kids on bicycles killed again as we did last weekend. all right, guys, great segment. thank you. jeff sessions is taking on one of conservative speech's biggest enemies. we will tell you what it is when we come back. onservative speecht enemies. we will tell you what it many in the media simply parroted that is a fact. they've used this designation as a weapon, and they have wielded it against conservative organizations, others than adf, who refused to accept their orthodoxy and choose instead to speak for their conscience. i wanted to come back here tonight partially because i wanted to say this. you are not a hate group. >> laura: joining us now with reaction, harmeet dhillon, an attorney and rnc committee woman for california, does a lot of civil-rights representation. along with joe, a civil rights attorney. great to see you both. joe, let's start with you. >> sure. >> laura: the southern poverty law center is cited by the main stream media as an unbiassed organization that is a national treasure because it, you know, it points out the bad people. there are a lot of bad people. white nationalist, nazi groups, that type of person. but then they also label with the hate label people like ben carson, who was put on an extremist watch list. the israeli ambassador. they urge the israeli ambassador not to attend a dinner hosted by frank gaffney who has views on islamism and so forth. center for immigration studies done enormous research on immigration. of course the alliance defending freedom, a group i have spoken to before, that has litigated cases. most recently i think it's a wedding cake case of the supreme court involving the baker and the gay couple. what's going on here? if you disagree with the southern poverty law center, you are a hater? >> i wouldn't agree with the fact that they are unbiased. of course they are biased to their own position but that's what's so great about the first amendment. they are allowed to do that. the problem here is that the attorney general is using the office of the attorney general to suppress first amendment rights of these organizations in the name of religious freedom which is yet another constitutional right. that's a real problem because people look at the attorney general as an office that should instill confidence in the government allowing you to enjoy your constitutional rights. he's using one constitutional right against the other and basically starting political wildfires. >> laura: i think it is the opposite. i think he is saying religious freedom which is defended by the alliance defending freedom is a sacrosanct right. just for defending religious freedom, labeling someone as a hater and a hate group, that probably hurts their fund-raising. it probably hurts any corporate association they have. the label is meant to demonetize individuals, corporations pulling back and association. you see it on big tech, what they are doing with the suppression of conservative speech. this is a different way to do it. >> absolutely. i like my friend joe but he's upside down. what's been happening in the government is that the government has been using in partnering with southern poverty law center's list to suppress speech. it's only recently that the attorney general called it out. the fbi is continuing to partner with the national organization of women, southern poverty law center, naacp and other groups. splc is about as objective as antifa. they are far left organization and it's a disgrace that they are silencing speech. the real effect of this, laura are for example, earlier a couple years ago, the family research council was actually shot up in d.c. by an attacker trying to kill people there because that group was on the splc list. >> laura: that's right. i forgot that. >> in silicon valley, like you mentioned, the effect is that matching programs and corporations where corporations will say if you give money to a charity like alliance defending freedom, an outstanding christian first member law firm. they will not match it if the organization is on that list. on top of that, amazon will not match contributions in their smile program if the splc has put it on their hate list. who made these people, the soros funded in the far left organization the arbiter of what is far left speech in america and what is not. it's fine for them to have their viewpoint but it's also fine for us to fight back. it's not fine for the government to use their false list as a weapon to attack citizens. >> laura: they have a half a billion dollar budget. they get a lot of money from a lot of rich people. joe, my point is they would rather label people haters then have a debate about the underlying subject. i live that every day. people don't want to debate you because they lose on the facts, so they want to label you things. that's not american. have the debate. have the debate vigorously. don't label people haters expect the ones who should be labeled haters like white nationalists and nazis. >> labeling people haters as part of their first amendment right. there are far right groups who have a half billion dollars as well. the real problem here is that the attorney general is using his office to pit one constitutional right against the other. where does that end? you could look at a lot of religions and make the claim that they have some sort of hate speech. we shouldn't be doing this. the attorney general should be uniting people here in the united states. but the reality is, he's a darling of the confederacy. >> laura: what does that mean? >> that is not fair. >> laura: that is poisonous. joe. >> i don't think so. if you look to his voting record, there are views there that are anti- lgbt, anti-immigrant. this is known stuff. >> laura: once again, if you believe in border enforcement and legal immigration reforms, you are anti-immigrant. people just rejected that in 2016. >> i don't believe that, either. >> laura: people rejected that in 2008. they don't like being called that because when you say that, that means the trump voters are anti-immigrant, and they are not. they are good people. there are always bad elements in groups but they are overwhelmingly good people. great segment. an atlanta school facing an uproar after trying to ditch the pledge of allegiance. we have some breaking news on the story. stay there. an atlanta school facing an uproar after trying to ditch t one nation under god indivisible with liberty and justice for all. >> laura: well, well. and atlantic charter school is reeling tonight after having announced it was going to ditch the pledge of allegiance from the morning agenda. according to the atlanta neighborhood charter school, it made its decision due to the more and more students and staff choosing not to recite or stand during the pledge in recent years. the announcement sparked a storm of controversy, as you can imagine. tonight the school announced it is backtracking on its decision. but could we see more schools across the country trying the same move? joining us and with reaction, university of maryland professor jason nichols, back by popular demand. along with writer and clinical analyst carrie sheffield. jason, they are backtracking. saying that you can see that pledge or the school cheer or something. what does it say about us that this is a controversy? i am almost wanting to treat this as something hilarious. i think those kids reciting the pledge is so cute and i remember doing it as a kid. it wasn't controversial. it was what you do. why are we here? >> i think it's controversial because they want to unify the kids at the beginning of the morning. and they feel the pledge -- many kids opt out. when i was a kid, there were kids who were jehovah's witnesses and they didn't recite the pledge. sometimes they would go to a separate room. they really want to build community in they think this is getting in the way of that. i have to throw my dig in there and say that if you are against this and if you have a problem with this, then you probably have a problem with betsy devos and the secretary of education, trying to move more towards charter schools where we get to take public funding but make their own rules. >> laura: do you find, you find saying the pledge, requiring that, your view is that it's divisive? >> i'm not saying it's divisive but i do think there are many people who opt out. that is their first amendment rights. >> laura: they can do that. but they can say one nation, and they don't have to say under god. a lot of people don't say under god and they go on. i don't remember this being a controversy. they just say one nation. indivisible with liberty and justice. apparently people still do believe in liberty and justice for all, or is that all controversial? >> some people feel it's better if they're not -- >> i have to take issue with what you said about charter schools. if anything that shows how responsive charter schools are. imagine if a public school sector, public union backed teachers, when they try to make changes and there's public accountability, public outcry, nothing happens. so this is actually a case in point, showing the agility of charters. i applaud that. also i am pro-charter. seeing something that something that was a charter school that was antifreedom because to me it equals freedom. i'm glad to see they've done the right thing. i think this speaks to the broader issue of trying to turn people against each other, trying to tear in our social fabric against things that represent the united states of america. and no one, including martin luther king jr., would sit here and tell you if you were alive today, he knew that our country wasn't perfect but we are working toward a more perfect union. when you try to shut down the pledge of allegiance, that's the opposite of building a union. >> laura: i think we should just do jumping jacks, push-ups. can we say drop and give me 50. wouldn't that be better? michelle obama is about let's move. i am all for that. i would like to use the exercise of the beginning of the day. i want to get your thoughts on this. this is something, i have teachers in my family. just recently retired public school. should cell phones be allowed or banned from school classrooms? countries like france are putting government mandated bans on cell phones for elementary and middle school students on their campuses. more u.s. cities like boise, idaho, are doing the exact opposite and lifting cell phone bans from their students. jason? >> you know, this is a tough one for me. >> laura: come on, professor. do you want them to be on their phone? it's annoying. >> it is totally annoying and it can be disruptive. at the same time, as we have seen with some of the school shootings and things have been going on from a cell phones have really helped in those situations to call the police in an emergency. i understand why they would want to have those cell phones there but also cell phones have encouraged a lot of bullying and fights and things like that. nobody -- >> laura: how about cheating? have you caught anybody cheating using a cell phone? >> i haven't. maybe i'm just bad at catching people. >> laura: how many times during average class to see student looking down at a phone checking facebook? >> i can't even count. >> laura: they could be listening to your lecture, following, taking notes. instead, they are on their phone. it's not good for learning. it's fun and you can play games. but during the class, focus on the professor. >> i agree. during class, they shouldn't be on it. >> laura: have it in your locker. have it in your locker. >> have it in your bag. >> i am inclined, whatever the french say to do, we should do the opposite. for that fact alone, i say embrace the cell phone. and also in cases of emergency, absolutely. laura, you said take notes. i take notes on my cell phone. >> laura: okay, carrie. you are a young woman. do you remember or not being 14 and you've got the boys in the first row. they are texting each other. in high school and junior high, do you remember? >> i am a little older. >> laura: do you remember? >> the difference that it's updated. you would send paper notes. >> laura: less distracting. >> i think it's more distracting. >> laura: yes, no, i will think about it. >> if you have your laptop out, you probably don't need your cell phone as well to take notes. >> laura: fantastic conversation. but i think it happens more than you are even admitting in your classes. they are all on their phones. >> definitely. i agree. >> laura: do tell them to put them down? >> it says in the syllabus to silence your phone, keep it in your bag. >> laura: they are on their laps. you are making important point. it's like in the movies. put them away. >> that's what i'm more worried about. teachers not enforcing it, teachers trying to be buddy buddy with the students rather than enforcing it the discipline. that's what i'm worried about. >> laura: thank you so much. the media and liberals attempt to understand trump supporters, it kind of fails a lot. one professor may have finally discovered why. he joins us next. a lot of professors tonight. he joins us next. he joins us next. a lot of professors i get it all the time. 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(vo) go national. go like a pro. figure out trump supporters and their loyalty to the present. a sociology professor at columbia university may have figured out why they keep getting it's all wrong. he was on radio this morning, and now he joins us with more. professor, good to see you. thanks for being on in the morning and at night. doing double duty. appreciate it. what's going on here with some of the polling and some of the research you've been able to cull through? >> there is a few things we see in a lot of studies intended to understand that 2016 election. the main problems seem to be things like prejudicial study design. a survey will ask what motivated trump supporters, are they more racist or ignorant or sexist, rather than any more positive motivators. of course there is no surveys about why would someone vote for hillary clinton? is it because they are anti-american? so there's this sort of prejudicial study design is a big problem. sometimes there are glaring errors, statistical errors that somehow get through by people who know better and by editors who know better. they are cited by other people who know better. not on purpose. i don't think it's a cynical thing. i think for the most part it's just an issue where the studies are confirming something. a view of the world they strongly believe and want to believe. these kinds of errors creep in and get unnoticed. >> laura: once one study is published or one poll, it just gets repeated, paraphrased in another website and another and another. i want to show for our viewers what we are talking about. specifically, one particular question which illustrates your point. you're not a fan of the president, we should say. you're not a trump supporter. in fact the opposite. question, this is a cnn poll. question: which of the following do you think is more important? imposing tariffs on imports from foreign countries to protect certain u.s. industries. 25%. maintaining good relations with countries that have been close allies of the u.s. for many years. of course people are going to say that from 63%. both equally, no opinion. so that's a problem because, professor? >> absolutely. the result there was probably the result of what we call framing effect. for instance, if they rephrased the question something like do you support -- like maintaining, like protecting the u.s. economy or u.s. services, critical u.s. manufacturing. >> laura: it's a phrasing issue. classic prejudicial framing issue. when you say maintaining good relations, countries that have been close. it's a biased way to frame it. it's so obvious. also something we want to get too quickly, the pairing of donald trump with racism on the google searches. donald trump white supremacy. donald trump xenophobia. 10,000 results. 2300 results. 3,000 results. why is that a problem? >> what's astonishing is it takes a long time to publish anything in an academic journal. half a year, a year. so the fact that just since 2016, there were these tens of thousands of studies that were published, all of them having the same -- if you survey the abstracts and titles of these words, they all tell the same story. trump voters were racist.

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