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That it leads directly to the murder of osama bin laden seems petty and seems an attempt to diminish president obama -- >> let me finish this point. you know what, so what if we got information by means of torturing people. as president obama and we heard this morning from tom donilon it is not in our values to pull out peoples teeth and eye balls and secondly, you know what, we could get that information in other ways. >> chris: you mat made that po, bill, go ahead. >> eric holder suggested for...

That it leads directly to the murder of osama bin laden seems petty and seems an attempt to diminish president obama -- >> let me finish this point. you know what, so what if we got information by means of torturing people. as president obama and we heard this morning from tom donilon it is not in our values to pull out peoples teeth and eye balls and secondly, you know what, we could get that information in other ways. >> chris: you mat made that po, bill, go ahead. >> eric holder suggested for...