and feel a whole lot of sympathy for your clients. i don t necessarily ask them to have sympathy for our clients. i expect them to have sympathy for a democracy and torture is the an tithesis of what democracies do. that s why torture has been banned universally for dozens of years. and, yet, it s surprisingly popular: have the torturers in some senses won the last 13 years? i hope not. this is a long-waiting process. but they will come. these two men are still in get-mo, correct? yes. how long will they be there? well, zuba yurksydah is a de