Village, and his name is kometas , here he sings, govarek sarachan, կեշմարթու օր արեւը, սեւ հողի տակով արենք, ով արեք սարեր ջան , well, we need to feel the beauty and height of this creativity, but we will not violate the order that you have planned, especially since we have kaubotona nani already im ready to make the next masterpiece, i ask you to further immerse us in this world of high music. հովերի հետ եք, ծաղիկ փնջելով սարվորի հետ եք, սեւ ձեյուս վրա, ձեր գյո the եր աղջե ինչ մեխակ, սիրո կրակ բեր, սարի սիրուն իրար, սարի մեխակ բեր, աղ չէ զերդ թացել, հազար մի ծաղկի մեջ ես մեծացել, ծաղկած սողերով մազերդ թաց րել, մազերիդ բույրը հեռվից է գալիս, զեբյուր է բերում, սրտիս է տալիս, ս առի սիրուն յար, սարի մեխակ բեր, աղ չէ, ինչ , սիրո կրակ սիրո կրակեր սարի սիրունյար, սարի մեք բեր, աղ չէ, ինչ մեկ, սիրո կրակ, dear friends, this is an anthropologists podcast on the First Channel, our guests are naredgen comrades, do you play constantly or not , and we have, lets say, the core of the lineup, but we believe that we have a replenishment. Very necessary in the form of gold, for example, with which we have been in the past we met a year ago, and we dont often play with this lineup, i must say that, of course, you came up with all this genius and you are doing, god willing, i hope that this performance will attract more and more fans to you, what will happen now, now there will be a kind of, i call it armenian meditation, this work is performed under the tonic, that is, there is no clear rhythmic pattern in the source code, and we were once invited to a psychotherapeutic ecstasy, when people experience emotions through dance, experience some kind of unclosed gestalts, perhaps, and i decided that we needed a beautiful rhythmic pattern, like a mantra, probably yes, so that it would sound, and maybe this is a kind of prayer, and gusana shot, when he wrote this beautiful poetry and music. He, as he describes the phenomenon of nature, when the moon knocks on his window and he says that i am not sleeping, but my sleep , my peace this is the song, thats what is sung in this beautiful music, and i think that it is quite meditative , well try it with you now, and we, dear viewers, will see what nani will depict on her canvas. . . . . . . իմ սիրածի շոնել, ողջ աշխարհը է երկնքում։ yes, but here with every new, so to speak, turn, new and new advantages are revealed, this is nara gevoryan, tell me, when did you realize that you sing better than Anyone Around you in kindergarten sadu, and i honestly say, i never thought that way, as one wise musician told me, you should always be a little bad, you should know about this, well, without fanaticism, of course, in our family, for example, there was no such idea that i would be a musician, im not an accomplished lawyer at all, but well, we know this, any mother in the world will say, so, so, put my law diploma here, and then go to the suzuki theater, thats where this gerard is, you know, go, go, first. Here the diploma, and why lawyer, because lawyers and Party Leaders live the best, but it seemed to me that singermusicians are happier, for some reason , so i successfully left the first year, of course, dear friends, its a pleasure to see how the armenian vine of jazz bears fruit , the one i mentioned, malkhas gave me a very interesting selection of 75 years armenian soviet jazz, gentlemen, what musicians there were on this land, and rhythm is in their blood. This is in the 75 years of this jazz, these are not toys, and the main thing is that under the soviet union it was possible, everyone is not allowed, armenians are allowed, so orbelian is the last name with gold that should be on the pediment of domestic jazz, and i am also inspired by tigran asyan, this is a famous pianist who plays in the ethnojazz style and teaches at the beckley school, and we are inspired by this artist and beauty. Listen, if we dont give karapetyan now play, he will be offended, because we are talking about other pianists, but nothing about him , he is a real philosopher, so he passes everything through his very rich spiritual prism, so now he will fully express himself in this compiment, dear friends. Information ռրու բալայի է, նայվածքը սիրուն աղջիկ գլխիս դարդ ու բալայե, եղնիկի պե ս bed ի պես ծուռ մի աշ, սիրուն լավ կսազե, հագածդ նուրբ թա, խելքս գլխիցս հանել է, քեզ հետ ասել, խոսելը, եւ ծավ է, եւ մուրազ է, եղնիկի պես, ծուռ ִի աշե , սիրուն ջան, ջահել սիրտս դու մի մաշե, սիրուն ջան, եղնիկի պես ծո ւռ մի աշէ, սիրուն ջան, ջահել սիրտս, դու միմ oh, well, listen, this is the avantgarde drummers to finish the composition, now everyone who always goes to southern restaurants has heard something familiar in this song, in particular, sirundan, does this mean beauty . Yes, in russian it certainly sounds a little different, probably, but nevertheless, its beautiful. We immediately, as always with restaurants, immediately thought, here now there will be all the sirun, nan where is the notebook with orders, now we will try, րով, ես քեզ սիրեցի, բայց դու անինավ, դավաճանեցիր, մի անմեղ սիրո ես քե զ սիրեցի, բայց դու անիրան , well, this is the very theme of love, written by the day, well, now naturally, the First Channel will be flooded with letters from ladies, for someone this handsome groom, every evening a lawyer will sing this, without five without four courses, without four courses, and more with such caring relationships and beauty, and i i think so, and feminine, the most important human beauty, his song, the armenian song, jazz, of course, this is the science of beauty, and of course, this is an amazing voice, narek gevargian, of course, will remain in our memory for a long time, dear friends, thank you for your attention, but we need to remain in the memory of our viewers today, Something Like that, that is not some kind of harmonic. Notes, killer, and what is there, well, come on, anyway, the beauty of armenian music awaits you , waiting for you in armenia, in the monasteries, in ochmeadin, of course, you listen to the music, but lets end today on a cheerful note, and well see what our dear nani will now draw for this , so well see, dear friends, success to you in everything you do, brilliant musicians, and youre brilliant listeners, if now do you hear me, all the best, this is ours. Old man and comrade, all the best, well, pariboychina. աչքերը նուր ու խումար է, երեկ օրվա լույսնի նման ունքերը կեր ու կամա ր է, նուպարի բոյը չին արել, աչքերը նուշում արել, երեք օրվա լույսնի նմ ան հունքերը գեր ու գամարե, նու բարի պոյը չի արել, աչքերը նուշում արել, երեկ օրվա լույսնի նման ունքերը գերու կամարել, երեկ օրվա ով որ տbedding by by the more աչքերը նուր ու կումարէ, երեք օրվա լույսնի նման ունքերը գեր ու կամա րե, նու պարիբոյը չի արել, աչքերը նուշուղում արել, երեք օրվա լույսնի ն ման, ումերը գեր ու կամարե, երեկ օրվա լույսնի նման ունքերը գեր ու կամարե, երեկ օրվա լույսնի նման ունքեր this is a mustread podcast, i m golaana batnikova, my guest today is natalia ushey, musician, lead singer of the melnitsa group, and were discussing argentinean writer jorge luis borgis, and his image of the world as a library. Natasha, hello, hello, please tell me, heres something about tovisa, the mill group, it s probably still associated with some kind of. Fantasies, maybe with lastelin of the rings, biowulf, irish sagas, then suddenly you choose the theme of borhis, and it seems that this is unexpected, yes, but if you know you well, you are a candidate of philological sciences, a linguist, in general, the worlds of borhis, they contain all possible plots, and please tell us ill tell you what you have in common with this writer, why you love him, yes, i ll tell you why. I chose this particular writer for our meeting, you know, if i had chosen some kind of scandinavian or celtic studies, i would speak here as a professional in this topic, i would be a lecturer this is natalya andreevna, a professor at the department, now well talk about registers in irish sagas, blah blah blah, well , this is probably not very interesting for a podcast about literature, so i decided that i probably want to be a nonspecialist in this case , not a teacher, but professional readers, that is, this is what i personally am interested in reading, what makes me happy as a reader of literature, especially since, as you quite rightly noted, i am not a literary scholar, and especially not a spanish scholar, i am a linguist. And therefore, just like in medical systems of all kinds, i say, hello, im natasha, im a professional patient, today i want to be a professional reader, but borhis himself was a professional reader, he somehow emphasizes this, in his essays, that his main role is reader, this is exactly what is close to me, because until the end of his life he is absolutely in love with the process of reading, this is very visible, even in those essays that he read when he was already completely blind, it is very clear how occupied he is in general in principle, the very creation of the text is the relationship text and language, since borhis was a polyglot, he is terribly interested in precisely this babylonian confusion of languages, which can be ordered in the notorious hexagons of the Babylonian Library, somehow organized or disorganized, remember, he has a wonderful moment in one of the short stories, he remembers when the boys, when the books were closed for the night, he thought that the letters in them were scattered and mixed, he was very surprised that yes, well, lets tell the viewer a little who borhis is, but in general terms, this is a writer who lived in argentina, wrote in spanish, although he knew many other languages, yes, he worked somewhere from the thirties to the eighties, centuries, he lived a very long, fruitful, cool life for a writer, and despite the fact that he became blind during his life and in general, it would seem that this should have complicated his work, but no, he continued to work and created such Wonderful Worlds and images of a labyrinth or a world as a library, well, its interesting that he worked from a small form, this is a man , who did not write a single novel, although he was nominated numerous times for the nobel prize. I understand him, because they also regularly ask me, natalia , why dont you write a rock opera, i say, you know, i m not my topic, big form, big form, this is not my topic, that is, even if i try for such a thing, i will express everything i want to say within the first two numbers of the arias and characters, and then i will get bored, i will give it all up, because borhiss prose is so rich, each story contains something terribly fascinating plot, detective even, these his short stories, and here we must definitely remember the writer whom borhis extremely loved and respected, this is, of course , edgar allan poe, well, yes, that is, he largely relies on poe, and also charades, like the stolen letter and the like, that is, borhis very much relies on po, but he continues this work , continues to bring this story to the absolute, as in the story about abenhakan, who died in his own labyrinth, it turns out that the killer is, in fact, the murdered one, this one here vizi said, who often in his, well, these charades, and puzzles, images are repeated, i even wanted to talk to you about this story, the garden of forking paths , which is dedicated to a labyrinth, probably the most powerful of his narrative ones, because until the very last moment we dont understand why, all the time, that is murder is not what it seems, he often has this plot, it seems to be a detective story, connected with a labyrinth, there with mirrors, yes, with the search for oneself, here it is interesting that after reading this garden of forking paths, i it finally worked out why borhis works with small forms, i realized that he himself created this labyrinth from text, and here too, that is, from short, repeating, similar plots, he created one. He makes a recursion, yes, he places mirrors in his labyrinth, which ultimately make it endless, its such a Beautiful Image and its so applicable to absolutely everything, we had a painting by Maurice Escher in our screensaver, well, its exactly the same, just escher is naturally visual, for him it happens in graphics, but for borhis it is happens in literature, but it is really similar to the figurative world of borhis, so we took it. Yes, this one, this tape, this one the mobius motif , repeating recursions and so on, borhis was a man of encyclopedic memory, it seems to me that i know what his secret was, thats it. Judging by that that he uses this labyrinth, he places some hooks in the labyrinth so that he himself does not get lost in this labyrinth, you know, he scatters crumbs, he scatters crumbs, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, that is, he uses the classical technique of renaissance philosophy, this is a gnosiological technique, a technique for organizing consciousness, which is called the devil of reason, it was invented by such a cool thinker of english origin, raymond lolly, and he came up with just such a system organizing knowledge, organizing memory, organizing those facts , which are not kept like in Sherlock Holmess trash attic, just like borhis in an endless labyrinth, where each borhis has an essay dedicated specifically to this raymond lulya, raymond lulyas logical machine, thats what its called, i tried to figure it out, but i honestly couldnt understand how there are circuits, it requires a certain habit, to get right into this thing, that is, but when, when you, you really suddenly begin to understand, you understand how simple it is, how simple it is, that is, i use the palace of the mind , i have it, its quite strange, but there are also clues there, they are mostly visual, that is a certain image that refers to another image, to another image to a round image, just like uh. In borhiss concept of bondage, why is he interested in bondage at all, yes, this is a very important topic, he constantly figures out bondage, he studied it, yes, yes, it is interesting to him, again, also as a tool for ordering, as a tool for studying the knowledge of language, that is, it is precisely this concept, the pentateuch of the torah as one gigantic, stretched out and expanded in all variants, the name of god, the idea. Yes, the sepherod tree, which, i generally i really love this concept because it can be applied to any spiral or, well, spiral structure, from dantes circles of hell to the dna spiral, well, you know, it seems to me that she specially came with a ring in the form of a torus, the ring is beautiful, magical, that is, this is exactly the book of books, that is, the archetype of the book, prisoner in a ring, in borhis. There is a game here, and it seems to me that the game is also important for you, this can be seen in your work, but this is a kind of game of meanings, games of words, games of words, a very important image, when the whole is no more than its components parts, that is, when in one there are many, in a certain unity, yes, but this unity is no more than each of its component parts, that is , what she called is connected precisely with his love for small forms. Precisely that he must contain all these component parts, fit them into a very laconic form, and, you know , whats interesting is this concept of the game, which he, of course, always has, we see how he hes having a blast, thats just how he takes his labyrinth like that, turns it over, and heres the inside out, and hes like wow, how cool everything is, and we know writers who continue to follow the behests of jorge our luiss and what kind of relationship they had in general, that is, they were somehow connected in real life, i dont know if they were connected in real life, but they are without a doubt each they knew a friend, that is, without a doubt they knew, and you see, here it turns out to be an absolutely wonderful writer s greetings, i adore umbert eco for this, that he is in the name of rose, he has this monstrous blind villain, the librarian, the monk jorge, who denies the creature. But if we dig further, we realize that thus, umberta eco takes off her beautiful italian hat and says hello to borhis, because here, of course, behind borhis stands his character overoes, who in medieval cordoba writes a treatise he encounters, yes, an arab doctor, teacher, philosopher, he encounters just aristotelian concepts of tragedy and comedy, and he doesnt understand them, poor fellow, uhhuh, that is, in general, i was looking for everything that borhis has no sense of humor, no, i think that he just showed in such a crooked way, that he really appreciates borhiss playing, uhhuh, and that in this way, in general, overoes, whom borhis sees in the mirror, in which he continues to believe, he will at some point understand what comedy is, but in the monastery. Burns, burns and handwritten, the monk jorja himself burns , well, this is a separate story, but if the world is a library, this is our creativity, there are probably manuscripts there , when we dont know whether this will become a book, whether it will enter the world library, yes, these manuscripts are on fire, natasha, i, as a convinced neoplatanian, believe that manuscripts burn, but of course shadows remain on the walls caves, that is, our work is for eternity, and the manuscripts are burning, no matter what woland says in bulgakov, well, lets listen to the song the manuscript mill. Now is the time of fire, dont let me in, im like a rusty ascetic, 3,000 years old, who hasnt written poetry, but that invisible one is waiting, carefully, like a cat, touching the milk. Oh, midnight double, he clung to the lamp, according to my strictures, my log, a shortlived beast walks, i keep it in the pit, this sacrifice to the fire, until the door was closed, the demons are burning all around, they didnt tell you, but they tell the truth, and dont change ours back, oh my friends, oh my enemies, how beautiful it is to cut a residential pen, vespers the silver, the manuscripts dont burn, they still burn, you should have seen. This act, the manuscripts say, they didnt tell you, but they really say it, and dont take a step back, oh my friends, oh my enemies, how beautifully they burn, the manuscripts burn. And my beloved ones, they burn so gloriously, like a ripe pomeg