A wonderful one. It was dedicated to the memory of Anatoly Vasilyevich efres, students to teacher. In connection with this, we had to film plotnikovs exhibition, then margarita alsanovna said that i wont go, if you want, go yourself. I come up and say, hello, terrible valery fedorovich, he says me or valery or fedorovich . Well, okay , i say, you know, i really need to film your exhibition for one evening, and then i will hang it in the same order as you hang it all. He tells me this cannot be, i say, believe me, it will happen, he says , do what you want, without turning your head, said valeriyvich, suddenly sveta sat down like this on the cushion of the sofa, asked me if i liked the evening, i couldnt imagine such amazing women, i was simply blown away, and then i got very sick i was sick for a long time, valera kept asking where i was and what i was doing, she told him that she was sick, then when he found out how serious it was, and i was already out after 8 months, i just had a stroke, it took me a long time to come to my senses and i went back to work, he came up and said, you know, i have a dacha near st. Petersburg, and you definitely need to get some air, by this time, sveta was free and i was already free, too, svetlana was not allowed to climb the stairs to the second floor, therefore valery converted the first one so that she it was convenient, i arrived at the dacha near st. Petersburg, and left it three times, everything is not mine, the person is not mine, and in general everything has nothing to do with me, we are like water and fire, two completely opposite people, so how i thought, lord, why do i need this, but he turned out to be persistent, now, he has a muse, our wonderful light, he stole her from us, talented, beautiful, witty, thats it, shes a usefulness complex and she i threw myself on the altar of this wonderful bore valerka. Plotnikov for the first time in his life, he literally insisted on an official marriage, although svetlana was against it. It was possible not to fence this garden of cliches completely, but well. Polera said that for the first time in his life he wanted to be married of his own free will, when the branch appeared, can you imagine, he became prettier, he began to smile sometimes, he became a little. Slightly, to react to humor, he himself has no humor at all, we are serious, so sveta breathed into him the components of humanity, he communicates with people very difficult, he. Presents them with an internal account, he wants peace corresponded to his ideas about beauty, he was very expressive and treated everyone the same way, with everyone , no matter whether it was smaktunovsky, or bashmet, or, well, it doesnt matter, it doesnt matter, in this case he was the stage director, and thats all of us, everyone in general, who is in his five albums, these are models , when you think about valera, you get a feeling of very. Some kind of fundamentality and tenacity of character, valera is a special person, i have known him for so many years, and i never remember, to change himself. Valera, an exceptionally decent person, which is not enough in our todays society, and you can always trust him, you can go on reconnaissance with him. He expects the same honesty from others. Belief in the inviolability of promises more than once caused him pain and even led to a break in relations with close friends. Let me understand this, kill the dragon in yourself, in yourself, you understand this, since sashka abdulov is no longer here, and no one will scold me, then i can tell this story, lenochka koreneva, then she was leaving to get married, which means she was going to america, ermmolnik, i decided to give shes almost half the size of this table envelope, maybe inside they made some kind of record , a rock group, poverty, large threshold on one side, on the other side a rock group, large poverty, not a threshold, small, and accordingly, there they were, there on one side, dressed in a bowler hat in a top hat, that means ermmolnik, abdulnik, and two more people, and if we turn it over, we were all naked, for me i remember exactly that the causal place was covered with a rose, some literally 1520 years old, and valera for some reason i decided to give this, in short, this photograph appeared in the newspaper, but to publish photograph, valery was persuaded by a friend. And at that time he was the deputy editorinchief, such a weekly was a stage screen , these are the dimensions of just a week, like this , listen, well, give me the photographs, i perfectly understood that he was interested in, say, the nude version, i dont know why well, i. Well, it was awkward to tell them borya, well, i wont give you photographs, leave me alone. And i came up with, as it seemed to me, a winwin option, i say, borya, you understand, these photographs are published only together, if you take one, i understood which one, but this is necessary second to publish. Eborimy says, i ll do it, well print both, this screen comes out of the scene, right here its just the size of a matchbox. A photograph was printed where they are dressed, that is, indeed the conditions, as if paris were there, were met, on the last cover with all their might, this photograph was printed, moreover, they also chopped up the text under them, they sold everything from themselves in order to subscribe to weekly screens of the stage, after that there was a big fight in the restaurant of the cinema house, or rather in the toilet of the restaurant at home the movie is on. Basically this guy says i ll kill you, i say kill you if it makes you feel better, because what . Sasha, in my opinion, valera plotnikov broke some kind of shell, this story was noisy, noisy, you know, time heals everything, it was so long ago, now from what was happening in our lives, this is the funniest thing. But then plotnikov didnt think it was funny, only many years later he and alexander abdullov made peace. Valery svetlana finally moved from moscow to her beloved named after petersburg. Now Valery Plotnikov has everything he needs his favorite job, his favorite woman, and his favorite city. Yes, he loves silence, he loves comfort, he loves peace, he feels good when we are together. And no one bothers us, he is rich in acquaintances, rich in the people with whom he works, its amazing, you agreed to be photographed , well, practically most of all with valera, i, like any woman, like it when there are beautiful photographs, you cant tell the time from his photograph, they exist simply by themselves, we can say for sure that these people were, they were wonderful for the most part. Valery has a brilliant, brilliant artistic life, that his photography cannot be called a photographic revelation, it is not a photographic revelation, it is a revelation of a huge artist, but me, class, more, thats it, we shot everything, hurray. Minor discussions about loneliness, hope and despair, unhappy love and experiences that will resonate in the soul of every person. One can view these songs as an expression of the russian sad soul. Hello, today we have gathered our thoughts about russian rock as a cultural phenomenon about the spiritual search of russian musicians. Hello, dear friends. Vyacheslav gutusov, alexey belov. Im very glad to see you. What i read was from a modern article dedicated to russian rock. Yeah, i would like to ask you, as a warmup question, how ready you are to agree with this, i would say that my aspirations now to talk about happy love are greater than they are happy, but you are talking about now , thats basically it, if we can say, thats how the author of this the article believes that a large segment of rock composition is an expression of the russian sad soul. Well, in some ways he is right, of course, because, because if you say that, so to speak, dig deeper and say that sadness is for god, that is, about god, then its probably true, yes, well, this is a wellknown state of the russian a person, because he never imagines himself in some kind of ideal, so he is always sad that he has not achieved something that he could . At least looking at the icons of the saints, yes, well, that is, this sadness is not about imperfection of the world, but in its internal state, the imperfection of the world is also probably in some way, of course, because this is also sadness from a person, but he knows that once there was paradise, everything was there, even animals talked there, and then here s the story twice, and what is the transition from this sadness to the joy that you just talked about, well, i would say that its difficult. Happens because what alexey is talking about is about those losses that occurred after adam, the first man, left paradise, and came to this world, so to speak, to nourish it with his own efforts , well, of course, with gods help, but man has lost a lot, including things connected with nature, with nature, yes, if there in paradise his animals they knew each other perfectly, they understood each other, moreover, adam was, so to speak, their patron of the earth, yes he named names, yes he gave them names, then as soon as he went out of the gate, and as soon as Archangel Michael closed the gate with his sword, the animals stopped recognize adam and they told him directly, you have lost image of god, we dont recognize you, they started growling at him, and they are still growling, listen, he called his hands. Theologians and friends have come, but i still want to torment you a little, you know, to ask you, maybe to step back a little, maybe even from your current inner experiences, although we will definitely talk about them, but i would i still wanted to talk to you, you know, how in science there is such a method of included analysis, yes, when, because the scientist is usually aloof, yes, included analysis is when the person himself is engaged in some kind of process and he describes it, but i know, with the courage of an amateur i want to ask you this question, i understand correctly, russian rock has two sources, this is englishlanguage music, and this is russian literature and, more broadly, russian culture, thats how much you can agree with this formulation of the question, how comfortable, well, if i may say so, the russian lesson is comfortable with these two parents, well, regarding englishspeaking, alexey, i think, will tell you great now, maybe he can say it better, including in english, richer experience, thats all. The russian has a hand, this is not, not a russian phenomenon, you know, of course, the phenomenon itself is not russian, but lets say, i was lucky enough to be friends with such a person like frank zapa, an absolutely brilliant musician, here he is he loved russian music enormously, for him storinsky was, it s something there, yes, and he constantly reminded us of this, this is. The second half of the 16th century , composers of those who were called a mighty bunch, especially musorovsky, who in fact, probably, strovenskaya was the most inspired by anyone, in fact, even while in the united states, i suddenly found out that the most played composer in the world is chikovsky, i didnt know before that, i was so surprised, so i asked my friend, who is in second place, she studied classical music, she says, in second place is storinsky, in third is rakhmanov, this is a playlist of classical radio stations in america, you know, yes, thats why, despite the fact that we took a lot from. From in englishlanguage rock, this of course, a colossal school, colossal material in its own way, a dove of the depths, they took a lot from our russian music , thats why its all for a reason, its the cycle of water in nature, but this is really what you remember, our beloved marina andreevna zhurinskaya wrote about rock when it was a phenomenon of world culture, but in my opinion, it was a natural, next stage, so to speak, in general in the development of culture. Just like literature, well, you can call it, who, so to speak, adopted it from whom to a greater extent degree, this is also such a complex process, it continues to some extent , and well, as for modern music, we can say that everything there has been very much reduced due to the influx of various stylistics, substylistics, that is, this is a branch that is already. Simply disappears into subtle music that is so specific that they, so to speak, gradually dissolve themselves in the air, because if you look at the architecture of the structure of a tree, yes, when it first emerges into such powerful branches, then into twigs, into a leaf, on the sheets, here actually the structure is the same, i will definitely ask about this, again with the arrogance of an amateur, but i want to return to the topic of literature, because in my understanding, russian rock is. Of course, uh, inherits russian literature. I was listening to you just now, you said about literature, i remembered that dostoevsky told us about the responsiveness of russian literature, and in pushkins famous speech, that this is the genius of pushkin, that he could be, in contrast to whats interesting, nothing coming up with, if, this theme of the responsiveness of russian literature, it is preserved in russian rock, we can say that russian rock is responsive , but i think so, yes, because we are so. Closely connected in general with the canons of literature that in my opinion, i dont know where else, so the text is developed, for example, in combination with music, but for us this is definitely a very important thing, and you will agree that it seems to me that this is such a slightly cliched perception that russian rock is more text or is it based on text , and the western one is on music, so i just heard. What is this there is an overly simplified perception, especially in the west, yes, few people know that the english language has more than 100 thousand words more than russian, yes, shakespeares word is more than pushkins dictionary, so, but russian rock is without words are nowhere, just, you know, if there is no word, then there is no russian rock, but in english rock, the word also meant a lot, there it was conceptual and cult performers and those who used. The word masterful were groups like pink floyd, the same ledzen, for example, i was a child, i did not distinguish ledzen from depel, i liked both of them, but being already living like this, in the united states, i suddenly discovered that for a long time some gigantic giants, and depipol is such a strong poprock band, and thats when they came the nineties, then such a movement as alternative music appeared, and there it was already impossible without words. There everyone paid attention to the word, although there, too , curt cabane, he lived the words and it was not clear what he was saying, but nevertheless deciphered it, everyone understood that he was trying to talk about something important say, but in our country, uh, the musical part probably suffered more often, in general in our country , precisely from the point of view of rock, here at first, when there was the soviet union, everything was generally prohibited, i just personally went through it, and then people just didnt began to deepen greatly, so, probably, the russian lesson has a great future, when , uh, they begin to analyze the entire past, very seriously, precisely from the point of view of russian music, then they will shovel all the advantages then they will be able to do something ingenious, thats what i want here you have what is the name from this place in more detail, we once talked about this topic, and then this thought stuck with me, including about its nonobviousness, yes, you said, the best of russian rock is ahead, and if it will be possible to combine this with the depth of dostoevsky , yes, then this will be what we are all waiting for, yes, consistency, thats how much , well, again, as they say, i dont want to offend anyone, but in my understanding, but dostoevsky this is symphonic music, in any case, not necessarily, that pink floyd is such a strippeddown dostoevsky, yes, very fragmented , so they tried, so to speak, to dig into such philistinism, and well, in fact, they achieved a certain effect, of course, dostoevsky is millions of times broader, i really liked the statement, i forgot his name is. An actor who received five or six amys , its like in tv series, this is such an oscar, so he came to orthodoxy, he says, i discovered dostoevsky, i often have to play scary people, so some scoundrels, so i suddenly realized that dostoevsky wrote about terrible things from a position of light, uhhuh, this is very difficult, this is very difficult, and this is a huge strength, for rock music its just a colossal field of activity. Do you agree that everything is still ahead at the russian horn . Theoretically this is possible, but the way events are developing, i reacted diplomatically, no , but im just watching how music, uh, modern, is developing, its quite possible that at some level it will take on a slightly completely different leap, it will happen, another round and. This will be a different level of quality. But dont you think that this is still too binding, specifically for rock music, such a proposal, or something , or am i wrong, here, in my opinion, this is a good level that allows a person not only to develop , but even to improve in some sense, we are talking about the spirit, and so to speak, the form of the word, a certain aesthetics of some kind, about how the thought itself is formed, yes, how deep it all is, really, in relation to something, yes what is happening now, with with him gogol, and pushkin, ilet tolstoy, in spite of everything, with goggol its even somehow easier for me, i cant explain it, but just like that intuitively, somehow it doesnt arise for me, nothing for me stands out, gogol rock, somehow im all this. Gogol is a punk, in general, in my opinion, he has such a specific language, especially from the current point of view, and why . When i read , for example, classics, yes, literary ones, i notice how rich the language is, how everything is carefully structured there, how everything is formulated there, in gogol he has a very a peculiar language, punk among the classics, vyacheslav butusov, alexey belov, me. Vladimir legoyda we are talking about russian rock as a cultural phenomenon. I know, theres Something Else i want to talk to you about, about my personal journey , heres the first question this is what you think, this is the spiritual quest that we obviously see in the life path of musicians in their work, this is connected to a greater extent with the generation, because this is a time of search, but the end of the eighties, the beginning of the nineties, and not only musicians went through this path, or after all. This is what you do, this left its mark, this is more the reason, or its both, thats what you think, it seems to me that sooner or later in the life of every person there comes a moment when, well, he begins to think more about what is happening in his life, how this happens, you begin to understand, so to speak, well, seeing over many years how this world. Develops , you begin to ask certain questions and in general, to be honest, for me the path of human attention is something that we notice more and more over the years, how alarming the world is, if you take, for example, childhood and school, yes, i didnt care much about what was happening around me, except for the fact that in the International Panorama one could see how. Some short excerpts of prose , but i can say that this didnt concern me at all, not only because it wasnt interesting to m