House, there and people walk around in clothes there centuries, so the hostess sits down at the piano, everyone came just for this , they Start Playing neoclassical music, how interesting it is, then he starts talking, then it turns out that one of the people is such a leading screenwriter, goriovsky, i didnt even know, he seems i wrote so many films, so here we are we talked to him about literature and when i said the word dostoevsky, and he suddenly changed in his face, he changed, he became completely different and suddenly bowed, i think he was bowing to me, i bowed like that, said oh , dostoevsky, yes, and, of course, there are people who understand this, yes , they understand, sooner or later, after all, i was listening to you just now, i remembered, i recently watched some series, an american one, a detective series, and there are two detectives theyre sitting in the car, one of the glove compartments opens, theres dostoevskys idiot, he says, its a good book, then the little guy says, its dostoevsky, he says, well, its a book. And that second time he doesnt even say anything to him, he just looks at what to explain to you, thank you, dear friends, i am eternally grateful to you, today we had cult musicians, alexey bilov, vyacheslav butusov, im vladimir ligoida, we were gathering thoughts about russian rock as a cultural phenomenon , thank you. Hello, friends, this is a podcast, the life of the wonderful, with you i, its host, writer, alexey varlamov, my guest is wonderful director, evgeniy borisovich kamenkovich. Hello , evgeniy borich, hello, professor , thank you for taking the time to come to our studio, i would like us to remember a little about the person whose name the theater you head, the workshop, bears. He has a theater, why is it just pyotr fomenkos workshop, tell me a little about him, its very easy to talk about pyotr naumovich, because if you somehow try to classify him into components , then for me its a very big question, what comes first, he is like an artist, great, or like a person, very often when you. People who knew fomenko personally, they first remember some meetings with him in life, and then they remember his performance, it happens, of course, the other way around, but for you, for me, everything is mixed up and it generally seems to me that this is the happy one a case when the way a person lived, he created the same way, with pyotr naumovich it seems to me that a priori it could not be boring, its just. that was excluded, yes, he had long, difficult rehearsals, sometimes he rehearsed for years , but it was always very interesting, everything he did, and with this is where, as it seems to me, the profession of a director begins, he was always tormented about what he was doing, but if he suddenly did not understand, well , some period or some part of the performance, he could simply get sick and disappear there for 2 weeks, but when he came, well, this is probably a common place in theater circles , but everyone knows that if some, not the best student asked him to help analyze the play, then pyotr naumovich would open the list of characters and ask the student a question, so what . Who loves whom, in my understanding, in general, flamenco and love are some kind of synonyms, and love, well, not so, say, romantic or some kind of mundane. And some kind of love in full, so how can i explain it, it happens very often in the theater, i think thats why young people dont always go to the theater, because for. Young people, the tempo of the theater is so leisurely , detail, it can sometimes be boring, but pyotr naumovich, he always brought the detail of existence to some unimaginable limits, he could rehearse some kind of exit, like all of his great predecessors, that is , the detail of human behavior, it was understood down to the micron, but can it be said that this is how stanislavskys system was, this is how fomenkos system was . I wont take on this, although im sure that it was, because i came up with my own definition about pyotr naumovich, it seems to me that fomenko is like this, well, today hes the last poet in the directing profession, but i dont know the person , who would read poetry better than him. The solution is very simple, but it seems to me that. Fomenko had only one god, pushkin, so he knew evgeny negin by heart, simply, just by heart, and could read any chapter there, i have a feeling that if he had called his theater not fomenkos workshop, but pushkins theater, well its just that there is already a pushkin theater in moscow, then it would have been so, at the first opportunity he did pushkin, and i dont know if all tv viewers know, but we recently celebrated the ninetieth birthday of pyotr naumovich and zhenya tsyganov. Gave, it seems to me, to the audience, to the theater, this was such a gift to me personally that it took and staged Boris Godunov, and there is such a backstory, which means that the last work that pyotr naumovich should have had , he rehearsed Boris Godunov for a year, and , as always, all the pushkins visited us, it was he who staged it for the third or fourth time, yes, there was such a big sheet hanging in the theater, and everyone, even the smallest roles, were noted there, since we still have. 50 artists, and there are more references to Boris Godunov, which means all the costume designers, all the makeup artists were busy, then petr arich for some reason got a job stopped, maybe because he didnt feel well, but i suspect something was wrong with something , the main thing was that the current time didnt fit with him, it was 2012, i dont know the reason, suddenly, when he turned ninety, zhenya tsyganov collected the team put on an amazing performance in my opinion, firstly, he did everything to make it happen. Media and most importantly, there is an hour and a half of recordings on the screen of fomenko rehearsing, and pyotr naumovich from the screen participating in this performance, maybe im the only one who adore this performance, so, because i wasnt at the rehearsals, i very often like to drop in and watch, so he makes a remark, and the current artists , the young ones who havent worked with him, whether they do it or not, this is some kind of amazing new genre, it seems to me , thanks to tsygnov , our theater was invented. So it seems to me that its very cool that this exists, we are often reproached that we, how can i say it, are either hiding behind fomenkos shadow or something, this doesnt bother me at all, because our literary part, after the departure of pyotr naumovich , that means you brought it to me, i didnt i can call it a spiritual testament, she brought me a list of works that he was thinking about, well, i think my life and this generation will not be enough, firstly, there, which is very cool, there is some name, there is a lady with camellias, it is written in parentheses who should play it, that is, it is clear what he thought about each actor, so i periodically look at that list once a week, sometimes it turns out to stage something from this list, pyotr naumovich loved to stage prose, adored, im not even talking about war and peace and family happiness, but in my opinion, the main theatrical statement in the theater is one absolutely happy village, a play that has been going on for more than 20 years, uh, and the actors who play in it tease me all the time, well, maybe we are already old, i say, no, you will never grow old, since the play is performed on our old stage in a very small hall, there are 78 spectators in total, we could play it much more often, but we play it there specifically once a month, well, because it. This is a very long time ago, but every time i watch it there once every 2 years, i have eyes are wet, it seems to me that petruvich didnt care what he staged , what drama, what prose, but he always didnt lead the prose into a play, but made it like prose, these are some kind of technological things, but it seems to me , this is very important, but in general, when a director chooses a play for a future performance, chooses a performance , well, lets talk about you, heres what you re directing. It seems to me that to make it clear why im doing this, lets talk about your ulysses, for example, yes, some kind of madness, right . This complex, huge novel, stream of consciousness, it was just to show everyone, you can also put this in the directory world hold wanted to put it or what . No, no, no, but its just obvious, the circumstances in my life were such that this twentyfourhour journey of the main character, a stranger in this state and the irish, it obviously lay down to some events that. This is some kind of bottomless barrel, everything is there, every genre on earth is there, all languages, all movements in art, everything is there, but it happened, i usually read any book there for evening, i fought with ulysses for a week, i mean, i thought, i pretended that i had written a dramatization, assembled without peter naumcha our entire then not very large. Theater it was 1998, and the theater appeared in what year . The theater arose in 1993, then we were without premises, without anything, and i read that it lasted about 9 hours, we broke there for lunch, dinner, staging, yes, what a staging, it was some kind of selection of material, everything was on they looked at me like that and said, maybe youll do a lot more work, theyre somehow treating me delicately they relate to me, im older, by 10 years. It died out, then, when in 2008 they built a theater for us, yes, very beautiful, on the river, they now specially built a pier for us so that people would come to us, yes, which is very nice, then suddenly in the morning a call from pyotr naumovich, he loved the hours 7 to call, and he says one word its time, and i realized that its time, so i brought the staging to mind, well , then, then there was one continuous pleasure, there were a lot of problems, but since everyone. Who worked with me too were okay with that very determined, well, we succeeded in something, then 10 years passed, but for some reason it seemed to me then that ulis was about us, there was some kind of click, we made doctor zhivag 2 years ago, well, too by the way, its a terribly interesting story, but doctor zhivag is actually some kind of song, because i had such wonderful coauthors and , above all, vanya vakulenko, who played doctor zhivag and olya bodrova, for whom it was her debut in our theater, i have a feeling that if i got sick, nothing would happen changed, they would have carried it through, they are both superprofessionals , they very keenly feel that it was necessary to make a play about how a person, despite all the circumstances around him, did not change himself, he remained himself, he remained an excellent doctor , he remained a citizen of the country, and after he left, it turned out that he was also an amazing poet, well, somehow , after ulysses, we did a lot of prose, somehow, well, not that it was easy, but it was clear when we, where we were heading, there was one big problem, it was pandemic, sometimes out of 15 people who play this play, i had four at the rehearsal, we didnt have money for the scenery then, and we somehow built it ourselves, but the audience, thank god, doesnt notice, we had money for costumes, we made the costumes, thats it. But nevertheless, i dont want theaters to be deprived of funding, but it seems to me that if people are involved in theater, they will build a theater anywhere and from anything, lopada vega has such an aphorism, theater is three boards, two people, one feeling, well, this is for me it seems like such a formula, thats why it generally seems to me that if the topic of our podcastlab is really. Uh, theater and prose, it seems to me that they have been in modern theater for a long time, and its not necessary to stage a play, although i personally really love plays, because that you dont waste time on adaptation, on translating prose into language in the theater, it cuts the rehearsal time in half and it somehow frees up your head by half, it just seems to me that with modern playwrights i think its very difficult for them, because. Thats all the beautiful modern russian modern drama, which i follow very closely, i dont know, im a fan of sorcery, a very big one, because i dont understand how a person nurtures one theater for 30 years, while managing to produce amazing playwrights every 4 years, the only thing that i have, well, not exactly a complaint, i have a question about modern drama, its all so cool, its about pain and so on, but for some reason its almost all performed in basements, this seems to me not very right, im still waiting for it to hit the main platforms country, in general, its interesting that modern prose can partly say. The same thing, its also about pain, about trauma, and also, in a sense, it remains in the basement, although there are some very large, bright events , of course, come on, i dont know whether you were bragging about it or not, but i saw a performance based on your prose at a youth theater, and i was honestly amazed at the huge number of people, and it seemed to me that the auditorium was actively breathing, thats what that evening there were a lot of young people, no, for me too. Of course it was one of the most joyful events in my life, happy, when you wrote a novel, you come to the theater, and it so happened that i did not take part in the preparation of this performance, the wonderful young playwright polina babushkina did the staging, and i was only invited to this performance for dadmom, that is, there was already such a general runthrough, and it was an absolute miracle , to see my heroes on stage, what they are like, how they play, i am very glad that the play is going on, it is going on with success, its all very true great. This is the podcast life of wonderful people, with i am you, its leading writer alexey varlamov, my guest is director Evgeny Borisovich komenkovich. I would like to return to the classics, the performance that i saw with you, i remember very well, its already such a world classic, its king lear, heres shakespeare, that s interesting, but times and centuries pass, some names appear and drown , some remain. Thats what shakespeare did, if he existed, yes, thats why they continue to stage him everywhere all over the world and try to understand his riddle, but you know, there are several plays by shakespeare that you want always stage in any condition, it seems to me that every director is different , i have four such plays there, i entered college with the storm, although in my opinion it was a monstrous explication, but the storm is not so popular, after all, but this is his spiritual testament, lets say, there is one line that is not in any russian translation and my ending is despair, and my destiny is despair, this is what to do with it, this is how the great bard ended with this, this is prospers last monologue , but it doesnt matter, but king lear, heres a historical fact, i definitely suggested this to my teacher, andrei sanovich goncharo, he is on me the maikovsky theater, the maikovsky theater, well , of course, andrei sanovich, because. He really liked to shout, in my understanding he was very similar to king lear, he laughed at me and didnt talk to me, then i started pestering fomenko because i didnt know how to get rid of me, in my opinion he didnt get his way there i know, the seventieth birthday finally said, i wont learn the whole text, but did you want him for the role . Of course, because he, well he, well damn, i dont know who is better than the ganchers or and or fomenko, but since we have. Thank god, the design was invented by a brilliant artist, in my opinion, aleksandrovich borovsky, barovsky jr. , then they managed to set such a form, correct, that then it somehow rolled off, and since our people are all talented, now this is without any humor , i say, very prepared, there were people of different generations, then somehow we managed it, i must say that when there was a pandemic, there took turns, uh, two people were sick, two dukes, and i twice, so partially from memory , partially, that means i replaced them with the text in my hands, how good i felt in this design by alexander borovsky, and we also have a theater, it seems to me, very cozy and you can see it from any place and you can hear it, and i never wanted to be an artist, although i graduated from the acting department, i had some fun there, there is also a very interesting question with the translation, yes, there is. Yes, we, no, well, this, we chose the translation of soroka, i wont rank it now translators, but still sorokas translations are very difficult to teach, but the most important thing is that he has some special annoying words that he came up with that, firstly , will not let the viewer fall asleep, well, you wont fall asleep anyway, but, but they somehow make you be on edge, thats what our most experienced artists told me there , that king lear was quite difficult to teach, we understand that prose and poetry always alternate there, it is clear that if there is pasternaks translation nearby, otherwise it is wonderful, this is not discussed, and there is the latest translation by kruzhkovo, very accurate, and it is very so, well, its very tasty, but, but still it seems to me that forty is somehow more correct, the last one, well, the last one there, i dont know, today, you have a job, as i understand it, this is a remark from the novel, black, yes, theres nothing here my merit is not there, because we turned out to have very smart actors toptsov and yuri butorin, it means they spent 2 years doing something with a stage play, which i terribly didnt like, it always seemed to me that rimark is, i love him very much, but in 16 years old, ive Read Everything and im happy, unhappy or happy love, she smokes, yes, shes definitely sick, in mountains and so on, he is magnificent, and there are films and plays all the time, and then when i Read Everything about. Happening around us, it coincided so much that i instantly joined them, as the authors of the dramatization, with my last name of course i removed it, we brought it to mind, i really didnt like the name black obelisk, so i wouldnt go with the name, its something about a cemetery, it seems to me, yes, and since we knew that we would have a premiere at twenty third year, the action of the novel takes place 5 years after the defeat in germany in the first imperialist war. Well, its just the twentythird year and we decided to play around like this, so we called it the twentythird, again we were lucky with alexander borovsky, who did a wonderful design, and this immediately suggested the form, well , i dont know, im somehow proud our theater, which is very often with us, this is by the way the idea of peter naumch, we very often have an initiative from below, he came up with such an internal section, trial errors, and any member of the team. Can take any work to show and sometimes this work will reach end, sometimes no, but for example, now we have a group of crazy people together with yurey titov, they took up a divine comedy, well, what is it, it cant be staged at all , is anyone interested, has anyone ever staged a divine comedy, yes they staged it, well there kosteluchaya is a famous performance, but you see, kosteluchya has little left of the divine comedy, its on video, but here we have. We had the first preview, im afraid to announce it, theres no wood to knock on, but if it