That is, you think so closely the same way and you support each other even in such situations, so i just wanted to observe this observation, not well, i just needed to put out a little of this fire that was raging there on the internet, but again, you decided to cover it with your broad back, well , after all, the eldest comrade, it was necessary, well, since we started talking about what was going on on the internet, these are comments from fans and so on, you. Always had a fairly large army of fans throughout your career, they were rooting for you, i just saw it in the stadiums maybe you have something to say lastly for your fans . And i wouldnt say that i had a very large fan base and fan base, but firstly, also the banner, sorry, ill interrupt, sane is the best, but firstly, i want to say thank you so much to them that they this was with me, that they they walked this path with me, every year this base increased a little and came up with something new, again, going out on the ice every season, in addition to motivating installations, a coach, and so on, helps the fans also help, who periodically can help you out of the blue write this, say that you are huge. Well done, that they really love what you do, wish you health, good luck, success and so on, this also motivates me a little to work, progress and not stop, so they also left a mark on my career, again the same banners that already, well, more in the last few seasons have begun to appear in such numbers. Its also very cool, you periodically go out before training, roughly speaking, at competitions, look at the arena and say, oh, theyre cheering for me there, thats very its nice, but in general there are a lot of different funny comments about me on the internet, which also make you laugh and smile, which one do you remember the most, and there were many different ones, starting from all sorts of lumberjacks. Everything else, probably ending with how they actually support me, that is, but it seems to me, san, that this is also how you feel about it yourself, because, for example, a lumberjack is a very cool guy, they first, who saved little red riding hood, the woodcutter, well, yes, ellie, who saved the emerald city, but then with. Sometimes they tried to play up such moments, its very cool that many, again, and the fans, lets say, bought this little humor in our productions of programs, well, its just great, and since you say thank you to my fans, so i say thank you for. Coming to visit us in this cozy studio, now we will be watching you in a different capacity, coach, showman, and maybe someone else , most importantly, i wish you only success in everything, now in front of you all doors are open, go to any one and achieve it , call more often, invite me, i dont refuse, it was a free program podcast, watch all episodes on the website 1tv. Ru hello, this is the schrodingers cat podcast, and i am its host, grigory tarasevich, editorinchief of the magazine, which is also called schrodingers cat, and we are talking about important things from a scientific point of view. Todays topic is very, very important, modestly so, the meaning of life, and we invited dmitry leontyev, professor, doctor of. Sciences, head of the International Laboratory of positive psychology of personality and motivation of the Higher School of economics, dmitry has many more regalia, but the main thing is that he is a psychologist who deals with issues of meaning, issues of human existence, hello, well, lets try to talk about the meaning of life, im a little worried, because the topic is. Something downright frightening, what is the meaning of life, well, you know, there is such a. A simple joke, father, tell me, i live correctly, correctly, my son, only in vain, that is , the question of meaning is the question of whether we are in vain whether we live or not in vain, thats what its all for everything, there is just life, yes, our everyday life, we get up, brush our teeth, have breakfast, get dressed, go to work, and there is another dimension that requires us, well, sometimes it demands, sometimes we. Get by just fine , to understand why we do all this in general, that is , that what we do is in itself, so to speak, not selfsufficient, it may be necessary, important for Something Else, for which something more important, connected with something global in our life, why we live at all, that is a conversation about meaning is always a conversation about the connection between something smaller and something larger, from some individual elements of our life with something global, and what would happen if this did not exist in our lives, that these people would not exist in our lives if we did not what we are doing, but Something Else, yes, heres how we can do without it or cannot, what is necessary in our life, what is not, we need proteins, fats, carbohydrates, vitamins, amino acids, this is what our body needs, our body, besides this, there is Something Else that our soul needs, yes, without which we cannot exist normally, without which we become not ourselves, we fall into some kind of depression, we. A schoolchild, a student, a doctor, so he woke up in the morning, looked at the news on his smartphone, brushed his teeth, drank coffee, tea, went to study, to work, at what point does he need this meaning . You know, lets start even earlier, lets start from early childhood, because a small child, in any given situation, he enjoys life, he plays, he has fun, he he is happy, he laughs, or something is wrong, he cries, but he has every separate fragment of life, it is not connected with other fragments of life, and what a small child is doing now is in no way connected with what he did an hour ago and what or what he will do in half an hour, these are all separate episodes, they are in no way connected with each other, at one moment he feels some needs, some internal impulses, some desires, at another moment others , here, but somewhere around the age of 45 years it begins then. A teenager, how is he with the meaning of life, but then the child grows up, adolescence becomes the most difficult age, because we begin to realize ourselves, we begin to suffer from these questions, that is. This problem becomes not only our problem objective life, but this becomes a problem for us, and i begin to wonder why i live, but again this does not happen to everyone, because already in adolescence quite strong individual differences arise in how different people are people in different degrees tend to reflect on their lives, many get along just fine without it and continue to live according to some readymade tasks, along some readymade lines of force. Without asking questions in vain or not in vain, everyone does this, so if i want to correspond to this image, then i do this, so the question does not arise about the specifics of my personal specific life, the problem of the meaning of life is a problem that not everyone faces , which you can do without, this is not a mandatory problem, it is an optional problem, i like the School Teacher is very afraid of the question from the student, why, because he has readymade answers, why do you go to school, so that. There are not enough of these answers, general, standard, that like everyone else, like neighbors, they continue to ask the question why why in relation to their own life, well, in fact, the first such detailed, large book, which is devoted to this analysis of the problems of the meaning of life and its search, is the book of Lev Nikolayevich our tolstoy, a confession, this is a wonderful autobiographical work, a small book of pages. Where tolstoy describes how, in the middle of his life, in the prime of his life, he suddenly encountered a situation when everything in his life is generally wonderful, books are being written, published, his family is blowing away specks of dust, world fame, weeks do not pass without some bad luck coming , touch the wisdom to communicate, everything seems fine, everything is in chocolate, but for some reason i periodically want to shoot myself. The meaning has disappeared, it is unclear why all this is for, what all this is for, well, this is a situation in which the problem of meaning can arise very acutely, when in general everything is good, there is everything except meaning, that is, the main question of the meaning of life, the question why, the question why, yes, why, and this is a question that requires indicating the connection, yes, here is the connection with Something Else, life, which devoid of meaning, which has no meaning, this is a life that is not connected with anything, here a person lives alone. What will happen tomorrow does not depend at all on what will happen today, his life does not affect anything, does not influences the lives of other people in any way, a person will disappear from the face of the earth, and no one will notice it, this is a life that has no meaning, it is not connected with anything, but a life that has meaning is a life that is connected with other people, my actions are also connected, my actions today are connected with my life, with what i will do tomorrow, because today im doing something. In order for me to feel better tomorrow, my life is aimed at the future, my life is connected with the lives of other people, i think, i care that what i do has some positive impact on the lives of other people, on the life of humanity in general, in general in the end on our common future, if we have it, that is, we, if we pose such questions, then this is, in fact, thinking about the meaning of life, one of the most. Confession, yes, he described the process of how he searched for meaning in life, he first tried to find what life should be aimed at, what meaning it should have, read wise books, communicated with enlightened people, found one answer, tried on monday to start life so that it corresponded to this meaning, that nothing worked for him, which means, probably, wrong answer, searched, searched for another answer, found another answer, thats. In fact the correct meaning, trying again from monday to start living according to the new correct meaning, nothing works either, the third time the same same result, in in the end, he comes to the conclusion that, firstly, you cannot raise the question about the meaning of life in general, you can only raise the question about the meaning of your own life, everyone has their own meaning, and secondly, this answer, it should not precede life itself , that is, its wrong. Such a formulation of the question, that i must first find the answer, write this on the wall, that the meaning of life is this, and then correspond to what is written on my wall, on the sign, on the contrary, the order is reversed, first i must live in some meaningful way , and then somehow define it, designate it, with you is the podcast schrodingers cat, its host grigory tarasevich, guest psychologist dmitry leontyev, and we are talking about the meaning of life, according to modern research, the latest empirical Psychological Research has come to this what exists three dimensions of meaning the first dimension of meaning is the actual answer to what the meaning of life is, some words are a verbal concept of defining meaning, the meaning is there, yes, i answer, the meaning is in struggle, in love, in Something Else in relationships , yes, that is, this is what it is , a certain specific concept, an intellectual concept. This is the first dimension, the second dimension this is what i was just talking about, the feeling that my life is meaningful, the feeling of fullness , the fullness of life, this is such an emotional experience, i dont know what the meaning of life is, but i know that my life is now meaningful, or i feel that my life has no meaning, that is, the first is the intellectual component of the meaning, the second is the emotional component of the meaning, and the third component is that i dont even. Think about the meaning of life, but this is a question of what my actions are aimed at, that is, what is my life about, what is it about, what is it aimed at, what is it connected to, we can talk about this, this is the third dimension, what i really am i do, such an effective measurement of meaning, in what i invest my resources into, what i invest my strength into, what i invest my energy into, what i generally invest my life into, and isnt there a factor of inertia here, someday, of course. My goal was to pass the same unified state exam or get approval from mom and dad or earn a reputation as an employee, then i already received this, but life still continues to roll according to this meaning. Of course, no one has canceled the factor of inertia; it is always easiest to continue living the way you have lived until now, because to make some changes our lives always require much more effort. Much more energy, much more creative efforts than continuing to move along the same lines. The remarkable american psychologist, the recently deceased salvator maddi, built such a theory of existential choice that all the important choices that we make in our lives are choices between preserving what is, maintaining the status quo, between the past and the future, then there is some kind of step forward, somewhere into the unknown. And uh different people are inclined to varying degrees to either make a choice of the past or make a choice of the future, each of these choices has its own side consequences, because by choosing the future, by choosing something that has not yet happened, i thereby find myself in the field where i find myself doomed to a feeling of anxiety, because anxiety is precisely the feeling that always accompanies the feeling of the unpredictability of the future, if i am moving there, i have not been there yet, i cannot help but feel anxiety, this is a natural normal feeling, anxiety is a signal of the unpredictability of the future, to get rid of from the feeling of anxiety, i have to get rid of the future, that is , this is the inertia of style, and until the moment a person retains this choice of the future, he is not lost there at 30 years old, but at each new point there are always new, new choices, because none of the choices is completely final, in our lives new and new choices appear all the time, another thing is that the same inertia of style is at work here, which you and korzhavin have now quite accurately formulated, because. But often these the plots are connected with some critical events in a persons life, for example, a person receives a fatal diagnosis, he has a year left to live, yes, thats what he should do with his life now for a year, that is , before that he believed that his life seemed to have no such visible end, thats all will continue for a long time, and now very clear visible boundaries appear, yes, that is , time, the countdown has begun, so. And what to do, how to live with this time, there are a number of wellknown studies on this topic that were published just about what, lets say, the experience of clinical death, in which a person gets into and from which he is taken out, which leads to an awareness of the finitude of life, some kind of sharp, yes, it leads to an increase, so to speak, in the quality of life of the psychological, a person, a person suddenly realizes responsibility for his life, responsibility for the way he. The remaining time he will spend begins to take his life seriously, life is a very serious matter, as the outstanding psychotherapist g. Gental said, and few people take it seriously enough. Perhaps the question is why it is worth studying before how did the fatal diagnosis come about or Something Else similar . Well, of course, because it is natural that it is absolutely not necessary to wait for this, but this is the question, the question is largely. Are we able to treat our life somehow consciously or are we just going with the flow . Go with the flow, this is the easiest way, this is the most energysaving mode; go with the flow, all living things have an inherent desire to save energy. People are not inclined to put any extra effort into anything, neither physical nor even intellectual. We there were fields, we prefer to do without the extra ones. From this challenge, we need in order to develop, in order to become more complex, we need to put effort into what we do, not in just going to work every day, but in questioning whether , am i going to the right job, am i going to work correctly, why am i going to work, maybe its better for me not to go to this job at all, change jobs, maybe its better for me to create my own business or even go somewhere to the other end land, to do Something Else, that is. Possibilities, lets think about what i need , why, what i really want, this is actually the most difficult question, what i want, but still in my imaginary. A poster that should be hung over every bed, why am i doing this, why am i waking up, are there any negative consequences, so i looked at this question, why, i realized that my work or my studies do not have any meaning, and i chose. Do nothing at all, why go to school if its pointless, why be pr manager, if it doesnt make anyone feel good, what to do, well, the point is, no one is forcing you. In fact to look for meaning, no one forces you to live at all, it is ultimately a matter of taste, it is, in the end , your free choice, please, you can spend your whole life do not get out of bed, do not get off the couch to watch tv series, in general its not like that few people in different parts of the world arrange their lives in approximately this way, but they , uh, of course, realize a very small part of their human potential, right now there are various debates about how much. The capabilities of the human brain are used by 3 , 10 and so on, i meet many people who have 3 a lot, well, this is a metaphor, neurophysiologists usually start to wince when they are told to wince, yes, well , nevertheless, there is a very, very wide spread here, there are people who need this power for something, they use it with current, and there are people for whom it is completely redundant, and this is again a matter of choice. You see, its largely a matter of choice. At one time, an outstanding psychologist, our own, leo semyonovich vygotsky formulated such an important concept as the social situation of development. What lies behind this concept is that in every culture, society offers children a certain set of requirements that these children must meet upon reaching adulthood. Well, we have reached adulthood and received our diplomas. What next, is there life . After the unified state exam, and this really turns out to be a matter of taste, it turns out to be a matter of personal choice, because by this point, when after we have reached adulthood, social situations development ends, society ceases to present uniform normative requirements to all of us, what is needed from us, then we all go our own way, and we all set ourselves or do not set individual development goals, because. In adulthood, in the modern world there are a huge number of different niches that allow us to develop to, in general, without limitlessness, and there are a lot of niches that allow us not to develop