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At the housing crisis in our own does without it does reach the urgency level and the public house i think is an expression of the social movement arising you know in ireland for the right to housing i mean like it and its you can point to any to mention of it and its a complete disaster i mean theres one hundred forty thousand people on the social how does housing waiting list who. Should be getting social housing and. Did three main reasons that people are becoming homeless today in orleans is rising rents and its unemployment and its people who are falling out of direct vision. Well back then a group of musicians and housing activists illegally occupied appollo house a vacant government owned building in the center of the Irish Capital dublin and turned it into a makeshift homeless shelter what they did caught the imagination of the country people turned up at the building wanting to offer food and clothes a mattress cellar provided bedding and oscar winner glen hansard and other well known musicians saying protest songs from the roof so why almost a year later have things gotten worse when we did that show about six thousand five hundred people were officially listed as homeless in ireland this month the number passed eight thousand for the first time in almost three thousand of those people are children the numbers have been rising fast in recent years and campaigners say the real figure could be even higher joining us to discuss this issue in dublin singer songwriter and activist glen hansard also in dublin Erica Fleming is a housing campaigner she was once homeless herself and no its parliamentarian for the governing phina gale party and the minister of housing also sent us an outline of Government Housing policies and included this statement the minister for housing a and murphy acknowledges that the current level of homelessness which families and individuals are experiencing across the country is totally unacceptable this issue remains the top priority for Government Resources and funding are not an issue and will not be an obstacle to the urgent delivery and heavy lifting that is now required but without welcome to the show everyone now for those of you who are familiar with glen hansard to all start this conversation with theres a little clip of him performing. Glen brown musician actor to activists what led you to this fight against homelessness in ireland. Where for me it was just you know each year doing some gay guys and you know giving money over to to help the Homeless Charities ferry simon i mean i used about interior simon when i was a kid and homelessness is something that i guess is pretty close to my own family. And so it was always just something that really kind of concerned me and it just seemed to be getting worse and worse and. And so i found myself sitting with some friends and you know how to points and you know talking about the situation and i guess if you call yourself a sort of socially conscious liberal then at some point i guess you have to sort of. Sort of step up and and what we did was we sort of a few friends around them talked and then the talk turned into a meeting and we had a meeting and we were talking about oh you know things to do and whatnot and some crazy ideas were floated and but the one that seemed the most kind of. I suppose short of humane and simple was just to take a building that was in the ownership of now which is which in our opinion belongs to the people of our land. And basically create a shelter because there was a there was a lot of people on the streets during that particular period and it was the winter months and what you have to understand in our land is we had the highest winter mortality rate in the o. E. C. D. So people poor people die in ireland in the winter so we simply want to create a space where people could go and because there wasnt enough beds in the system even though the government told us there were there was there was not and we basically took over a building we make a wonderful man gave us a load of mattresses and we basically made a makeshift shelter an incredible amount of people an incredible amount of resources were given to us and actually we were running a pretty tight ship in there and of course you know there we were we were given a court order to get out and and once that court order was given we had to get it right because because the services wouldnt come in and help people against the law we were doing they were doing everything they were doing everything in their power to help but once that once the court order stopped we had to get out because services on command that would become a very dangerous place to be right so well address more on on those services and whether that perspective is shared amongst our guests but you mentioned as you were speaking that this is an issue thats close to your own Family Members i pulled up headline here that those in ireland might be familiar with close to home singer glen hansard reveals family problems which are driving him to help the homeless do you feel comfortable sharing those issues its really its an awful headline. Absolutely i mean you know you know my my my my and my my my my my mothers youngest daughter died in homelessness two christmases ago on a bench in birmingham and she made some poor choices in her life she was an alcoholic and she she passed away in homelessness there but also you know just you know i mean the. The you know the there are so that homeless homelessness is so broad and then there are so many you know we i grew up in a house where my grandmother and my grandfather lived in the house with my cousins two causes of mine lived in the house we were you know people are very proud and were you know were very resourceful and well well sort of you know when things dont go right you know youre getting kicked out of your house you know this thankfully to someone to go to but theres a huge amount of hidden homelessness and i live in you know you got a figure of eight thousand one hundred forty but actually the number of people who are without a home across the globe it across the country you know people like a young lad who lives next to me plays a bit of based on the you know hes hes live in until he was living in town his mates he was in college and they couldnt afford his rent anymore because the rents were skyrocketing landlord put them up by fifty five percent just before simon called nice four percent rent capture was brought in the guy was kicked out of his house hes gone back to his parents and i said to him you know youre one of the statistics actually youre one of the people who is the hidden homeless and he was like oh wow i didnt even know that and if we could put a number on that it would be staggering and thats a good point i think thats important to remind people that homelessness isnt just people sleeping on the streets i want to get the voice of someone who has experience homelessness firsthand into this conversation erica take a look at this tweet we got from. Greene she says homelessness often affects our most vulnerable and Young Children so important that those of us in a position to speak out to erika youve used your voice to speak on behalf of the Homeless People in ireland the last time you joined our show you were in emergency housing can you tell us what is your situation right now so we were helpless on the first of april this year and so weve been in this property for six months and thats the local authority. So what is the what is your house like are you are you satisfied with all of it too bad. Im going to be here because everything has settled down and normality is back and we have a. Routine and this child is very happy so once my daughter is happy thats all that matters to me and you mention your daughter so i pulled up pictures that you sent us of emily here she is here in her new home you really see her and i just totally on her page i want to say that much just make actually she actually donate its. Just still. Going to the person who donated them not just to a point. That you know that glenn mentioned little bit earlier here your daughter is what is she doing shes painting the new house yeah were painted. Just beyond. Just a hall were just painted and if you pork bill which came off the wall the next day it was horrible. Now you have the opportunity to make those two exact and you and your daughter here how is your daughter doing. Shes still great and life really has just returned to normal. She doesnt talk about when we were homeless she doesnt want to talk about it and its in the past and she just wants to melbourne and death ok with me but then the other night were sitting on the chair. Of our house and so im just really happy that shes happy and shes content you would also wonder will there be an effect on whole Going Forward will have last lasting consequences i really hope it doesnt but im i just dont know yet so i want to get a government voice in here no take a look at us we got from tracey she says lack of social housing plus lack of suitable private handles with severely disabled child shes describing her own situation and she says she could be facing pending homelessness. What would happen for a person who finds themselves without a home to live for when its a process they can go through well obviously one person being homeless its usually regrettable a thousand people being homeless is a National Tragedy let there be no. Government perspective whatsoever and this is the most urgent crisis facing this government and the issue which we want to tackle most. I know progress hasnt been as fast as people would like it sort of like. I get cases like that previous week there. Was every week. People who are Homeless People who are strong risk of being homeless and like you said yourself there are hidden homeless as well and thats a real category and its difficult to quantify the big categories and but one thing perhaps worth noting is that. Of the people who present themselves to my office many of them will have been on what we call the social housing list for up to fifteen years or thereabouts give and take and to be the most and many of them that most. Hundreds erica and truth depending on the area its broken down so for example my areas that i cover that people would claim it would be. Cool luck so there would be a to be quite a long list im not a hundred percent sure exactly how long each list is i can only go by the highest figure if you like you know i doubt one person expense my office is eight hundred ninety two say on a given list so i dont know how much i read tell you that amount of people weigh in on health is social health like as an on the county council list thats what i thought you. Know im ok overall you know that i think. Id be familiar with the overall figure on ninety thousand or thereabouts around the country is the current list and its a huge make no mistake about that either now about how long do people typically expect to wait on that housing list before their house has adequate housing its hugely dependent really on the nature of their own circumstance i couldnt give a median date i suppose but certainly i would give the most extreme date which would be up to fifteen years and the point about that being but you know this crisis is going back an awful long way and it speaks no less those numbers are not going to come down sorry those numbers are not going to come down when the government bills and of the last six years twelve hundred social housing houses so the average would be two hundred pay so its not going to help themselves i mean they was on the last eight years and then tried to long so thats really ten years on the list. Dont you know your own case is huge regrettable and im glad to see that in your own case its been resolved but i realize thats just one case and there are a great great many others but what i would say is that this year were going to build four times as many houses as we will in twenty fifteen is that a no no surplus how many did you build in twenty fifth day im sorry. Im sorry no no no thats the problem how many was actually built in two thousand and and fifty. My own do you know i think probably three hundred which would make a bit well for this year will the top of the crisis no certainly not im going to do your job and show you just a little bit of the. Evidence of this because this is your Facebook Page and all added to new photos this is july tenth great to have housing minister owen murphy out in dublin northwest today on his first stop we met five families who are availing of affordable coop housing and the minister handed over the keys you can see those pictures here so this is just referencing what you mentioned a little bit earlier how are people reacting to this conversation so people are talking to us about all the other services that are needed a home is just the first step when i want to take a listen to this video comment we got from a woman named Sarah Carroll and she actually wrote a young adult novel featuring a homeless character and her mother take a listen to sara those that are experiencing homelessness the moment they need the services to get through this as Mental Health care or child care for somebody to children and these services are not provided were going to see the children that are experiencing this right now having to deal with the trauma of it used to come so going and sarah said its not just about getting a home its about Everything Else that needs to come with it and your experience working on this issue what other services have you found are essential for rebuilding someones life. Well i mean i grew up in a town called valley mon which is on the north side of the city was the first tower blocks in ireland i think i think you know you did too. And. You know the issue you know that one of the things the government would say about not building more social how is this idea of not creating ghettos and not wanting you know to kind of you know and sort of this idea of mixed tenure and all you know private and social probably more was just that there was not a there was there was barely a Shopping Center i mean we were we were caught off and that created a lot of problems created a lot of problems with people but i have to say this i havent said i grew up in an Amazing Community i grew up in an Amazing Community of people who pulled together and took care of each other despite the fact that there was no services and that that lady is absolutely correct. You know you will be but this is only beginning you know there were there were two families per day becoming homeless in dublin in our two counties per day but according to now all next twelve hundred houses im going to be built and this is supposed to be the big solution glenn yeah absolutely twelve hundred more than that next year and more than that for next year after its not for want of money that were not find which one point three billion euro will be invested here that figure will be matched and surpassed in the years ahead for you over five billion over the next four years lets talk. Money now twenty two houses were recently by the local authority four hundred eighty tauzin to pay you know and a half a million and now it cost two hundred ten thousand to build a Council House beyond and all included so that would buy two and a half times the house like pay you know what i mean its only down to trying to hold back point there earlier on grew up in effectively the same area as i did. Hundred percent social housing within the building that i grew up in now what happened there was that the wrap around services to accomplish one hundred percent social housing simply didnt follow and really never followed in terms of public transport in terms of health in terms of education in terms of policing they never followed those people are left waiting and in many cases are still waiting for the services they so thats why i became to learn from those mistakes and not engage in building on every greenfield site in the in the vicinity of that particular part of north dublin and rather trying to build a sustainable cohesive community. You know Affordable Housing like. A lot of the more. Social housing works all over the valley mom was an extreme example actually and as i said an amazing place to grow up my ups and i would do anything i completely agree with your social housing does work and it works best so i believe when it is mixed environment mixed when youre you know you look at you know. From an for example i think works very well and so we all england i hear what youre saying youre saying about social how do i want to bring in one more voice so this is tracy and she might disagree she says social housing wait lists are many years long if youre not selected as a tenant and private rental market homelessness is next and its that point that i actually want to pick up on because aljazeera spoke to someone who talks about how you could go from having a job and living in a home to not this is Brian Kearney he spoke to al jazeera and he shared his story of how he ended up on the streets of dublin have a look. We were brought into the office one more turkey drivers were laid off basically you have to give you. Was a shock to everybody everybody you know had mortgages i know at least ten different. Hose from it because they still dont big mortgages you know they were thought this would ever come to an end. Dan i know people online are talking about how that could be a rich country and i wondering how did rents get so high in the first place that people can afford homes glenn take a look at those you tube comment we just got from Donn