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I am for me ok youre in the stream live on aljazeera english and you choose me to campaign has ignited conversations around the world about Sexual Harassment assault and rape over the past two weeks and women have been sharing their experiences online in offices and in schools and while some have criticized the campaign as little more than activism it has encourage men to talk more about accountability and if they are oh hes make about how hes been following the online discussion sort i mean as you can see it is a Global Movement so women around the world have been opening up with their stories of Sexual Assault and harassment using the hash tag new to the hashtag a spurred conversations online among women and men calling for accountability its prompted many men to respond with how i will change our fill of tweets men keep in mind women dont owe us their stories for us to become advocates for them in public and private spaces and women are also using the hash tag to talk back to men mona says men when the women in your life tell you what happened to them they need to hear i believe you or how i will change has prompted some men to even come past their role as aggressors with their own house tags like it was me i have i did that and i did it too and some are discussing ways to prevent Sexual Harassment we asked a few men how they would like to change the idea of masculinity heres what they told us. In all honesty masculinity as a construct has gone too far and done too much damage instead of keeping the focus on women the way they dress like cetera we should be focusing on how we view masculinity and how the fascism of masculinity leads as aggressive behavior men need to understand that its ok to have feelings that emotions are all right or not. But showing nobody does not make you weak it doesnt make you less or to ensure a truly Equitable Society i believe the ideals of masculinity should be abandoned altogether rather than the perception of it simply changed because to do so would be essentially rebranding which would be a bandaid solution. Joining us now jackson katz hes the over of the macho power docs and cofounder of mentors in violence prevention and developing pathak is an indian writer gensis good to have you here i feel my shortcomings today because i want to talk about men and i obviously using my female voice so i actually terrorize the many my office my friends my colleagues who are guys and i asked them about this topic and i said one of the hardest things to do is to actually say ive done that i did that devalue the reason you on this show is because you actually just stepped up and said you know what there was this one time way. What happened divine so i got an acquaintance and we met she was talking about some of the things she was going through. And what happened then was i started feeling a strict sensation i started feeling as if i had some. And that she was wild edible in some way. If you met again a few months later and the feeling was back then i met her but this time then let that impulse take control of me i actually teach to find balance ted if i could he said on the cheeks he said no and i strained the french because all the while i was having that feeling i was feeling sick somewhere insane like no one had me what i was doing was wrong yes it was the make of guy stepping up and saying this is my story i would like to do better when you make of that. Well i mean i think we need a lot more from men than weve been then weve been getting i mean this this this to me to hash tag has given us the opportunity for men to both here and experience and be empathetic about womens experience and then figure out what they can do about it i dont think that its for men i dont think that its going to be the confessional piece i mean i appreciate the banks telling his story and other men who are willing to honestly talk about how they participate in. Sexism i have everybody that i know has this but i think the question is really what are we going to do beyond confessing our sins if you will what are men going to do in a culture to try to transform the attitudes beliefs and behaviors of all of us and the institutional practices that contribute to this ongoing problem thats to me the question not i dont think its realistic that were going to have a huge number of men confessing abusive behavior but acknowledging yes that weve been men in sexist and patriarchal societies therefore weve been acting out in ways that are perpetuating problems and then whats the next step so i hear what youre saying there jackson but i want to share a couple comments we got live on you tube one person says why is it always the men who are being held accountable another person this is connor who writes it on you tube im not going to apologize for the actions of a small minority of men so jackson not everyone in our community and i would venture not everyone in the world who is a man and the man thinks that they have a role to play in this conversation or in this campaign what do you say to them. I would say the same thing that i would say to a white person whos. Talking about racism not all white people enact racist behaviors but but all white people benefit from certain structures that privilege white people i would say i would say in colonial context if youre a person whos from a you know global North Country with lots of power and wealth and you say well im not really the one whos oppressing people in the global south so its not really my issue i would say thats very similar to a man saying well because i personally dont enact specific behaviors of abuse that somehow im not either benefiting from it or its not really my issue i think thats an evasion of responsibility and accountability and i think we need one men who are willing to say yeah maybe im myself im a good guy and maybe i havent done these horrible behaviors but i am a man and im in a position as a man to challenge other men to create a new normal among men where this kind of behavior is unacceptable even if i myself dont see myself as having engaged in the most egregious Football Games of sexism or massaging it. So michael i have to define gaff. I seem to agree with what jackson has said because to take an example from ever since whatevers happened in hollywood three weeks but our discussion down and work related in india we have a situation where theres a venue which was carted out two weeks back for an object defined within four allegation of Sexual Harassment against the on our and the majority of the reaction of the men see him to be similar as the government said i have been there its never happened to me my friends have been there its never happened to be there was a wasp number of accusations about different women from different backgrounds got going out against this one venue but there was still this denial and that apart from male privilege which people just dont seem to accept it specially in india let me share this with you gents michael says men simply need to respect boundaries women need to understand biology and then i said what do you mean by biology Michael Michael clarified it is natural for mental look at evaluate boundaries meant to keep my hands off approach polite speech as well jackson again me telling my male colleagues one of the things that they notice happens in the workplace is men looking at women sometimes its a little flick sometimes its a mauling going look what do you do about that. Well i mean again i dont think i dont think the challenge here is men looking at women are heterosexually oriented men who find women attractive i think its when men cross lines and sexualized environments that are not sexual treat women as a sexual object of their desire rather than as colleagues and as friends i mean its situational it doesnt were not saying that men cant be sexual beings or men cant be a heterosexual men cant be attracted to women its when your behavior crosses a line from your you know youre not in a club youre not in a romantic interlude youre in the workplace youre in a place where people are acting as professionals and when you. Treat women like you know in a nonprofessional way in a professional context then youre undermine their strength youre undermining their integrity and i think a lot of men and know that theyre crossing the line i think some men maybe some men dont maybe theres some muddy territory once in a while but were talking with Sexual Harassment were talking about repeated unwelcome and unwanted behavior not just one time a glance that you know that somebody caught i think some men exaggerate and they say well i cant even talk to women in the workplace i cant even have a conversation because im afraid that im going to do is of Sexual Harassment i think thats really a dramatic overstatement i think women just want to be treated with respect and dignity in the workplace when theyre going about their job when theyre going about their professional lives and i think smart men thoughtful men can adjust to that and treat them accordingly so jackson you mentioned muddy territory and i would say lets wade into that territory because weve got a couple of tweets about joking so this is danielle hes giving us an example of what happened to him and ivana ill pass this over to you he tweets in how i will change i love my lover get harassed in my house by my roommate and i did nothing about it im sorry and it will never happen again he goes on to say honestly i thought it was harmless joking at the time but i didnt realize it was how she truly felt and thats what i should have realized and his last tweet here said. Understanding every situation is different but if the victim feels a certain way it should be treated as such its not about you its about them so different have you been in a situation where people say theyre just joking but the receiving end of that joe doesnt take it that way. I think its always been about i think thats the excuse which everyone gives from online conversations to the offline once been lucky to be close to a so to a number of my female friends and think if they share with you it goes beyond jokes that it is bad it shocks you all the things that they have to go through when theyre just when theyre walking in a walk me and they dont hows theyre going for work and the things that they have to face and the way they bend it mend it and me immediately theres no part of me which goes no and that is ok that cannot happen because i have to truly believe it because of big i can see it in their face if theyre in front of me i can hear it in their why you see that it truly did happen the other thing about you know that oh theyre going to censor us we can float with them in anymore we have to be mindful about how we behave yes you have to be mindful of but how you behave because thats a very small course in front of in in terms of what were talking about its the boardin of discomfort which is being there and around this entire conversation which has been going of in terms of being pleased and women singlehandedly now needs to be on men because its on ice this is what prompted me to put up that post because someone pointed it out it cannot be just of what ive been coming in to do it has to be about because for every me too there is someone who did something somewhere why they could not something or he actually was an active participant in something so that is my point of view i dont i dont think these complaints which men have right now that we need to watch ourselves you have to watch a sense thats the least thing you can thats in as a quite a few hours thats been going around particularly in the wake of this meet to campaign its a quote about another kind of wealth that we could possibly living and how we use language men actually posted this shadow hundred fourteen thousand likes seventy seven thousand retreat and then some can you paraphrase this idea about the language because it really resonated with many people. Sure femi ive been you know writing and speaking for a long time about the need for a paradigm shift a new conceptual framework about Sexual Assault and harassment abuse most people see it you see these issues as womens issues that good men help with and im trying to say that there really mens issues one of the ways that we stay in the old paradigm is through our use of language so youll hear people say things like you know theyll ask questions like how many women were raped last year rather than how many men raped women or how many girls were sexually harassed in the School District rather than how many boys sexually harassed girls or well say how many teenage girls in this country got pregnant last year rather than how many men and boys impregnated teenage girls in each case the use of passive language has a very powerful political effect in the effect is that it shift our focus off of the group with more power onto the group with less and so we end up victim blaming or talking about what girls and women are doing because the very language that we use keeps our attention and pushes our attention off of men even the term violence against women is a term thats problematic because its a passive theres no ones really doing it to them violence against women is a bad thing that happens to women but nobody is actually causing it to happen so if you say mens one ounce against women its actually more accurate and its more on this and then when you have subsequent discussions about it if you start naming men if you start saying using active language then when we talk about solutions the solutions wont be big Winning Solutions like what can women do how can they dress better how can they comport themselves better but rather how can we stop men from acting in these ways how can we socialize boys differently to treat women with respect and dignity it will turn the spotlight back on to men and boys and the cultures that to produce them so all the gentleman a lot of boy watching also anyone whos kind of size them sass kind of myself as i used. To chant suggests that im just getting a little. For that part of the conversation says how i will challenge as a catalyst of conversations on the impact of harassment and Sexual Assault and inspiration to promote challenge jackson i think i think you might want to say well i told you so because youve been doing this for a very long time but your passing thought is what you want. I think we need more men to have the courage to not just be introspective especially its important to think about how weve contributed to the problem in our own behavior and sometimes in our own attitudes and sexist attitudes but i think we need more men who are willing to to break our complicit saw allans and challenge and interrupt other men when they act out in sexist ways i think that the through that the other sort of one of the dirty Little Secrets masculinities around the world is that men are afraid of each other men are afraid of losing up social approval from other men men are afraid of being seen as saw other men we need more men who have the courage and the strength to stand with women as our partners and allies and say to other men look im not as a man im not going to be silent in the face of your sexism or my own i have the courage of my convictions i believe in justice and fairness and nonviolence i believe women should be treated with respect and im going to stand for that and im going to get up at that and if you call me names like like pretend that somehow im not a real man im going to persist anyways because that its the right thing to do to sit in divine were going to leave it at that thing and thank you very much for being part of the stream today i really cant do math. Well the me two campaign has inspired dozens of smaller campaigns in different languages around the world take a look. At that last hash tag you just saw yotam b. N. Has reignited a conversation thats been happening in mexico and latin america for more than two years now around the new and im you know scam pain not one woman lasses an argentine feminist movement spread across several latin american countries and campaigns against gender based violence and as you know gets louder when i mean us has also seen a bump sorento its rights the fact that these hashtags exist should be enough to understand that harassment when shes well and danger are real and prevailing jacqueline tweets i have also been harassed and i have also felt afraid how cliffs and angry every time i go out into the street adriana says the liberty to harass does not exist we have the right to be respected not for being a woman but for being a person and Belinda Torres expressed her disappointment and at least one womans attitude. Well you know its sort of its kind of. Old now but that little sad day still if you believe it will you. Know that that is. The number of people it is the book you got a book about us i did all the efforts and i know my. With us now from mexico city Catalina Ruiz another otto as editor in chief of county ca magazine kathleen its good to have you here about a year ago you came up with a Hashtag Campaign the translation is my first harassment so where me to started to go global you must have thought that i was doing that a year ago tell us about your campaign and how that took off. Well i think that some innocent and religious itself we have conversation just that we cant be sustained is just used from other countries because into doesnt. Complain like this cult millbury made us and we missed it because it was imported police that it was quite a trend in the during that year and we didnt again after a long conversation we had in mexico city with a lot of cases that gaming tools little media then went viral and then. Manically at matt and march was organized and now Facebook Group and they do. This the sam