A fast moving event certainly. And of course south africa and certainly pretoria will be watching very closely as to the proceedings of what happens south africa have a strong vested interest in stability in zimbabwe and also a very Strong Political affiliation to the country. Yes absolutely and there are lots of reasons for that some of those feelings on the street that her was just talking about there will be echoed and mirrored across the border here in south africa because there are many zimbabweans in this country forced out of their homeland by the economic decline experienced in zimbabwe because of some of president Robert Mugabes economic policies have come across the border for jobs and are here in high numbers and just to give you a sense of the sort of a grip of on power his head foremost forty years as. People we was talking. Earlier in the week out on the streets and darwins some of them were still too scared to really speak to us that openly and uncritically because they they still feel his presence hanging over them even though they are many many miles away the strength of ties between south africa and zimbabwe obviously forged a mutual liberation history here from the governing party here in south africa the a. N. C. African National Congress the parties of liberation with very different but just as high profile leaders and late president Nelson Mandela and obviously president mugabe there so some strong ties we had we saw some very quick Immediate Reaction from south africas president jacob zuma saying bet on behalf of which south africa currently she is a position backed up by the you they wouldnt want to see any unconstitutional change of power. Taking this measure within its partys constitution and the countrys. Officials and president jacob zuma down to be some sense of relief if you like and i think we can expect to hear a statement from them later in the day tony just for International Audience who are just tuning into this story there is a bit of a back story going on here that south africa have actually been negotiating with president mugabe for the last few while certainly weeks since some sort of political turmoil has engulfed zimbabwe itself theyve really been trying to make sure that an amicable situation can be resolved so that it looks like a political decision rather than a military one which is certainly one that doesnt want to sort of go down that route. It doesnt seem so and will not be necessary basically and the like to set up the Southern AfricanDevelopment Community the regional body and the African Union the way you do come in for quite a lot of criticism over their level of action or inaction if you like on states which are seen to be stepping out of. Why here they have taken a very strong stance and it is simply that our you know they are mandated if you like and that mandate good provide sort of a good terence so perhaps things didnt go the way they may have done a few years back because of that kind of pressure and because of making way and the people you know running and running the scene and behind the scenes they are very aware that the region the continent the world is watching south africa on the day that it happened that the military took over in the streets there and intervened sea and on boys to angola which is the current chair of the state and security body within said act and also to zimbabwe and have been part and parcel of these negotiations with president Robert Mugabe so south africa obviously taking the lead as chair of said as the Regional Power if you like and as course of one of the countries which will would bear the brunt of any exodus of zimbabweans but as were seeing there on the streets of of harare yesterday we may see some of it mirrored here in south africa and zimbabwe is clearly calling for some kind of change of course tom you know you talk about south africa having a strong diplomatic voice in the southern continent of africa but in terms of the politics its relationship certainly with south africa with zimbabwe it also has to walk a very fine line because not only does it support and listen to president mugabe or zanu p. F. As its been in control of the country for what for five decades now but it also was home to Many Political dissidents of zimbabwe and it also listened to their voices their concerns and so should try to very fine line by making sure that it doesnt upset harare. Oh absolutely and that is a narrative theme that weve seen coming out not only between the relationship between south africa and zimbabwe but across the region and the continent has that you know it is African Solutions to african problems and the voice from the outside of the region looking into zimbabwe is that of this is what the zimbabwean people want then it is up to them to try and and get a change through i mean how it plays out in the coming days and weeks is yet to be determined of course but on the political front i think weve seen south africa take really as strong a poised as it possibly could reiterating the perspective from both said i can the a. U. There any unconstitutional change of government would not be supported and there are really serious ramifications if that if it had gone down that track as well in terms of trade and industry and investment and those are the sorts of blows that zimbabwe or and its people really cant afford at this at this time so certainly they will be all eyes are poised and observing what is happening over in harare and as i see it we are expecting at some point today some sort of statement from the government and they had been playing and a set of emergency meeting in angola in the capital on tuesday theres nothing to indicate that that wont still happen but what comes out of it may be you know will depend on the position taken and coming forward as far as on appears as is concerned of what happens in parliament in the coming days and zimbabwe certainly for the countries of Southern Africa those that deal was a bar boy directly targeted they might you might be breathing a little bit of relief here because its not as if they dont know whos going to take charge or they dont know who the political players are in zimbabwe because were not talking about a completely new Political Party taking over said bob as yet were not talking about people power taking over the government or ministries and its a. Force thats who. Over the country south africa knows who the political players are within zanu p. F. Within the Opposition Movement as well so whoever does fill a void and that was a word that certainly one commentator didnt want me to use but its a very sensitive word at the moment when it comes to zimbabwe when it comes to filling that void they roughly know who theyre dealing with. Exactly and the individuals involved have made it reasonably clear what their positions will be hitting forward in the long run and god has spoken about allowing white farmers which were expelled from zimbabwe which led to much of its economic and agricultural decline encouraging them to come back to zimbabwe to really build on its agricultural base to try and become a real generator of drugs and of industry and of food for the region and you know a stronger economically developed way can only be a good thing for the region because as i said there are many zimbabweans who have left the country perhaps there might be conditions created for those people to go back but as you alluded to there this is change on one front but we are still talking about this on a pier having very much you know quite obviously with the militarys backing a firm grip on power so how much change it might be in the eyes of opposition supporters is still far from clear when it comes to the relationship of the barboy the International Community its been a frosty one tanya certainly from outside the borders of harare its suffered sanctions you reported from the country itself and how the sanctions of impacted on its neighbors and how they relate to zimbabwe in doing traded been able to deal with outside of the political sphere. Do you think that getting you might say zimbabwe back into the mix of the Global Economy is going to be a quick process considering what youve just touched upon that farms were taken away from what white farmers are the economics have collapsed practically in that country. Oh it definitely wont be a fast process i think we know what weve seen unfolding on the political front of the last weeks is extraordinary for that very reason you know things are unfolding and developing very very quickly but the core issues for zimbabwes economy remain and they wont change very quickly because essentially what you head when the president allowed the military veterans the same ones sort of supporting this takeover at the moment allow them to take over farms you saw many. Almost a thousand farmers commercial farmers flee and they were working in south africa there in mozambique they were courted to go to zambia and they are currently building the agricultural economies of the bad ways neighbors and some of those farmers are now exporting goods back into zimbabwe and i spoke with some of them and and zambia maybe a year or so ago and they had been back to their farms discreetly secretly and they said theyre just in ruins so if you want to try and attract those people back then they would clearly need some sort of assurance that that their lands their title deeds are safe but obviously zimbabwe is a very different country than it was twenty years ago and and ordinary zimbabweans on the streets some we spoke to here in johannesburg you know these are young people they have degrees theyre smart they traveled you know theyve been to the us theyve been to the u. K. They know what is possible but they need the climate the economic climate and the openness of investment to be able to build the country that they wanted to be. An enormous amount of hope i think moving forward for the region and was involved way particularly for the many zimbabweans here in south africa but you know there is still a lot to be figured out and a lot of work to be created to create those sorts of Economic Conditions before that happens and it would take many years to do it well we know that youre going to four times as we get more work maybe from the political establishment. Across south africa us to events going on in neighboring said barber are saying bye for now lets join. A political analyst joins me on the phone now from zimbabwe capital harare thank you very much for joining us live on aljazeera can you just give me your general impression of the scenes and the atmosphere that youre experiencing both on the television and from the people youre speaking to about whats going on in your country. Your your part of Civil Society you promote Democratic Values in the groups that you speak to in the work that you do how important has it been to see you might see to see the way the military has behaved in this manner obviously there was a turning point that the military got involved in but they have sort of taken a backseat a quiet seat and allowed the politicians to come forward allowed Civil Society to come forward to take charge of the situation. I think its important that. Elections politicians are. Back in play and. Political process. Going to be. A problem. And it must be clearly. The country. And therefore. Its very important to make the distinction Robert Mugabe has been removed as party leader he still remains the president of the country for the moment the process of removing him from that position could be the short or long depending on either resignation or whether hes impeached how do you see that playing out. And of going. To. Change fundamentally with this move because at the end of the day even if you remove Robert Mugabe you still have the same faces in the same positions to a certain extent design you have to change the more transparent. Open. Because thats what the people on the streets are demanding because theyve had enough. But you think they will have to change do you think they will have to change considering the mood has changed within zimbabwe. Im sure they will try to change their approach to try to distinguish the leadership from. The same silly for now the jury is out to give to them not because they have to but back to civilian rule complete democratic. Opposition as well as that is. Their intention during the garbages rule he really clamp down on the opposition and freedom of speech to a certain extent of dissent do you think that the role of the opposition is something that can be enhanced within a country that has stifled free speech and Free Movement while you could not demand that the opposition must. Demand that. The bloom of our first reaction influence of conscious knowledge that. You have. But im. Going to be of can have the governments attitude toward the right to say we need to give them and when. For the opposition Civil Society and the citizens of general to me democratic principles and values could improve to account. Well of course so well just leave it there for now to cure gaza seem very good to speak to that in the zimbabwean capital harare. Well. Straight off the break well have more on this story from Central Africa to stay with us here on aljazeera. Thank the new era in television news. 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The Home Affairs Minister moses approved spoke to cheers from Party Members in harare this is what he had to say what our forces have done is not only. Freed the interest of zimbabwe nation they have freed his excellences from the closets of those but whether to destroy this country in the last five years his wife and Close Associates have taken advantage of his frail condition to usurp power and Natural Resources the people of zimbabwe have spoken. They said they have spoken a horrible task as our correspondent in harare and just before we talk about the economy zimbabwe and how its been affected over the years harry this is a damning indictment. Of mugabes wife grace. Yes people say she is to blame for his downfall they say she cheated the party and the countrys own personal property they say that she was influencing president mugabe advising him to do the wrong thing in fact theyve been saying that shes the one who masterminded or pushed him to fire key figures within the ruling party that made a lot of people very very angry scenes she took matters too far and this is a sign that the party is telling the president enough is enough and hes been removed as leader of the party so of course when we just spoke to tanya a short while ago we talked about how the economy. And how many economic migrants went to south africa because they couldnt find work or had terrible economic problems with zimbabwe from viewers just perhaps you can explain the difference for the about the economic problems for those that lived in the urban areas to those that lived in the countryside. People in the countryside he talked to them they are struggling economically but some people say were at least in the countryside in the rural home i have my garden in the back a small patch of land. To bills into martyrs the urban poverty is the one that has been getting worse and worse every single year a lot of people are unemployed this one is one the highest unemployment rates in the world there are no jobs the economy is struggling theres a shortage of cash if you want to get money here at jewel cash you have to wait outside banks like banks for for days sometimes some people sleep overnight just to get money when you get to the front door start on just twenty dollars thats if the bank has money food probably. To keep rising and the shortage of money has affected things like hospitals and schools and medicines are running out in Public Hospitals some people call pay for surgeries schools are poorly resourced especially in a war the rural areas so a lot of people blame their frustrations on the economy and they blame prison mcgarvey for letting the country get this bad and Robert Mugabe often criticized International Governments the west for