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Joining us from london hello abraham is the founder of the moat Abraham Foundation and the motive for him prize the Worlds Largest prize award for excellence to a departing african leader his Foundation Also puts together a one of a kind index on african governance and that was released today and abraham is called it a mirror to record exactly what is happening on the continent mo its great to have you on the stream when i think of african governance Good Governance i think about you when i hear your name i think about good african government governance but when you were a young man what was it that you wanted to do what was your ambition. I love the sciences and engineering. And i really want to be. Wanted to be a scientist. My rover model with people like i only star in. That i want to do i have no. Inclination to be a businessman or to be a fly on to with well i was too poor in a way to like to be and i have a picture here and this is you picking up and honoring a University Degree at Bradford University in its review or Professor John gardner what kind of student like you were you a diligent student. I was the reason i was usually top of my class. My mother always installed a massive port and so if you keisha. That is away for work lost their way out of property. It was really important for us to start i was always able to. So from there of course to your foundation we got this tweet from up there have been saying what motivated you to start your foundation which of course is one of the things you are known for now what was the impetus behind that. In obion. Isnt all of this comes from the area north of so the south of egypt. Weve lived there for sounds of years. Social cohesion. Caring for the community is part of our culture i was lucky i was a boy who made it good. Never expected to be a rich man and. Once you make some money then what is important or what you going to do with. I need to what to do give it back and to give it back in a meaningful way. You know food fortune. Tends. Milk bottle of medicine and thats all wonderful and i love to be able to do either but i thought if i can find a way to stop help stop the people be cool being needy did was really a root of the problem. Instead of the symptoms because it is nobody to africans to people because a continent is rich and theres not many African People. So we need to find out why why are we poor. Don so i came up with is because this route but the government and if were going to improve the governance then or can move forward thats why im trying to focus on my work and then of governance to really ensure that we have a Better Future for our children most i asked online audience serious question here what makes a good african leans that i want to share with you some of their responses. Delis says it could african leader has a clear vision and hes go on tainted the leader must be honest im worthy of trust he goes on to say corruption doesnt undermine constitutional of fundamental rights of governance this we do not have another one here elements or says a lead a muslim his people subtly most African Leaders dont. And then sami these are his qualifications transparent brave these values disappear from our wells our leaders such as mandela then now only stories what do you make of that theres this hope but also this reality. Listen i mean that is just not fair we have some wonderful leaders for africa in africa i mean look for me the problem is we have a few bad apples which will make the news you ask everybody that you know makoto would say i would know but which will we know idea i mean we know but Everybody Knows for instance my high in a nobody knows messire any nobody knows just how not or hama theres a lot of wonderful leaders but the media doesnt talk about them i mean i can do wonderful stories about many of those leaders many of them one hour awards and unfortunately we African People even dont know our heroes and that is that is if they are fortunate. And i love that you are keeping a positive here id kind of hate to be the bearer of bad news because one of the things that our Community Brings up time and time again is yes there are good leaders but theres also in dimmick corruption of course corruption happens all around the world and it takes different forms different names but this is one of the things people tweeted us about challenges to Good Governance robert says corruption is the order of the day and youve got and. Corruption systemic rot bribery in africa particularly and one other person sarky says corruption corruption corruption when we asked about the challenges of governance now i know that when you launched your mobile Communications Company that would eventually become you were pretty adamant about keeping things transparent keeping corruption and bribery out of the dealings how did you do that. It was simple i mean predatory had a wonderful board i dont insisted the almighty shareholders so it should be in the board fortunately i had. Investors from the i. F. C. The National Financial brayed the. C. D. C. Which is really a branch of government. Which is the american government. Vision Man Development agency which is German Government if youre more which is dutch government yes admittedly. They were small shareholders three percent four bit and five percent by the existed to have all of those people on the board so we had a board which has really a lot of powerful players and we took a solution that any chief executive running any of our companies in africa. Cannot dispense more than thirty dollars that is our love of us. Any larger sons had to get adds up over the board so nobody can go to the voters c. E. O. And say give me a couple of maybe you have to have an Election Year say sure you know well have a right to the board but that board. Nobody would try to lighten that kind of board asking for a play but. To be honest very few people ask for bribery and lets people know that you dont nobody will bother you and we have almost a member that. Bribery is like other it takes to. To commit that so business also is responsible for bribery and always complain about this issue look we are serious and we hold our officials in africa accountable is and we keep talking about it and expose it but what about the Business People who are involved in that do you know that all European Countries only. Or criminalized corruption around the year two thousand or seventeen years before that corruption and bribery was legitimate actually it was tax deductible. Same guys lecturing africans about bribery. Letting their Business People bribe our leaders and actually give them tax incentives also to do it by two thousand people made it a crime so then larger question whens the last time you hear that germany or france or denmark or sweden or indeed britain detect any businessman to court over bribery in africa i havent heard about that so. The Business People are getting scott free nobody is shedding the light on that so little understand really unless International Community also become serious about the issue of corruption or cannot move forward we have been talking about Anonymous Companies where companies where nobody knows who owns it and this is a vehicle for the getaway car for for corruption money if youre really there and its just money youre not going to walk to the local bank and put it there but you have to buddhists are all share common but its somewhere hidden behind some lawyers in it and who say that should indeed you know that should be stopped why we need Anonymous Companies and again we see governments that are in the heat of this issue corruption is a major issue but we need everybody to be serious identity so it is not i mean africa the book corner the market in afghanistan have to be about right now let me show our audience where we are in terms of. Mo abraham index of african governments for this year and looking at this just a summary of third of the countries driving overall import improvement in african governments. That has some level of being positive but also a lot of room for improvement lets start with the the positive countries where where would you point to in the continent where youre saying im so impressed by what theyve been doing. Clearly the countrys. Top ranking our and if they count those who show up doing quite well and moving forward. Countries like. But which one. Do well or saw sometimes also they story here and there but such achieve such high. Marking that really far ahead so in the top six or seven cantonese they actually desire to be much movement. See a country look at give birth is doing well sometimes its a good story a little bit but really up there. Why have a number of really good go Good Companies which are. Delivering services and people are. Doing the right. They dont have of course this small group of countries which are down there have been down there for a long line and. Some some of them suffer from conflicts and conflicts Armed Conflicts and social unrest usually destroy governments. But some of them came out of it and moved forward. Very. Very you know i would of course for example came out from a difficult time and now theyre one of the best improve our actuary. Or. Tunisia is doing well its only a country which manages the what they call this being the video shows in a sensible way and for what they have challengers but joins a top ten so meet margaret i hate to cut you off there because i love the list of the countries that are doing well but unfortunately there are many members of our community and some of the countries that may be not doing so well so lets get straight to it this is a tweet here its there implicating the country i think you can read through the lines pauline says should leaders stay in power for thirty seven years and of course shes referencing our president Robert Mugabe of uganda zimbabwe excuse me this is a video card and we actually got out of zimbabwe about that leader have a listen to what you need to monitor told us you see. The fish first we look at the state and i think that. And with all that has been happening in my country the plate with so much corruption you know that after experiments and accountability i think the mindset leadership needs to change so my question to you is can we really and dog new tricks can change the mindset of our leadership and of course the top line of the news today for zimbabwe is that he has ignored a ruling party lead a decision to make sure that he resigns he faces impeachment now so what do you make unix comment there. It is really affronts for a number of years ive been making statements about situations and asking the question how come. Our continent is is a continent of young people vast majority of our people are brought in years old and why we have somebody at mind you three years or sink he can really blends if you chose us who are the people who you know is nothing about them look when you are sixty five years or if you are a teacher engineer doctor whatsoever people say thank you very much i have a test now is my rabbit telling us that the running a country is such a trivial job that somebody cannot stay away for two hours we should be able to do it. It is a nicholas and it is so said that gabby always had been a hero of the independence is that i can end up his political life like this if you leave on time. People would mean that that would have meant then his legacy look at mandela he came out a blizzard said of just one tim i didnt even stay for a second and say ok guys goodbye get somebody younger to do it this is leadership. Let me show you something this is from again from this years index its about huMan Development and for the the legend anyway that screen is showing improvement dark green a lot of improvement the paint areas are areas first concern but im just thinking in terms of Human Resources on the african continent its young people that are so important so this is a pretty good scar for the continent fifty six point one out of a hundred why do you focus so much on the youth of the continent because you feel that they are critical to how it goes for its. Number one the majority of the arab nation as young people so that is that the majority of our people secondly does our future. Will have its ordinary over young to be able comic forward our demography wherever you wish while in this. Early ages our democracy is different from any other continent or else. This one and we have young people your age number of young fourteen million young to be able to come to the marketplace to work working age every year fifty Million People now that is a it two edge sword. If we create those people if you would your kid there would have an amazing workforce in africa with japanese are aging europeans are aging. Theres not enough young people to really run the states and Services Everywhere we have this wealth of young educated people thats a great advantage for us but if we were fit to train for the skills to this young people what will happen will end up with millions and millions of young people frustrated job less desperate what youre going to do there were not die in the sahara taking it as a hobby or youre going to die in the military or any other right across a better life or theyre going to become bombs to join a terrorist group or. At least a good day doing that and day but i tend to have some kind of dignity or a mission carrying the machine guns. This is the crucial issue for us all to our future of africa depends on whats going on what were going to do is our young people its going to this way are going to go that way so we really have to understand that there is someone who would agree with you earlier says determination is already an established factor in African Youth but the finance is the major brouhaha to their entrepreneurial dream so one of the challenges there but i want to pivot just a little bit to play a video comment from a former president this is president mugabe former president of its one who has actually ever said the end of your award in two thousand and eight and here is what he told the stream. This is the provision has allowed me to the team with my life i finished. For the season of end of a p gs so just an election observation. Mediation and participation if they feel it is a Charitable Foundation but it just african. So just deliberate for patients so it must i think about the asian African Wildlife trust and the african of year. I also continue to work with their Venture Partners to prevent the spread of a check. Book what do you mean for african governments or via. A question straight to your mother ham. Well i didnt hear the question quite clearly it is asking me whats next and what is your wish for african governance for the year ahead very specific twenty team i. Hope to see i have brought in the education and training of young people short and to the point where im just wondering with this index that comes out every year theres not one in europe theres not one in latin america theres not one in the americas not one in asia what is it that it can do as an index to help the continent. I think what were doing in africa is unique and i have many be able would like to do the same for issue on europe bill gates was very keen to try to persuade europeans to do one for europe especially after the crisis in two thousand and eight you spoke about that in davis and but nobody came forward to do it friends if in that america does have medicare they always say to me all this is why do you come and go in and x. For us and in general guys im an african i do africa you guys do your own continent. Well i think some is just some people to do something im looking at some of the posture supplants of the most if were him prize. An all knowing prize going to Nelson Mandela and then here you listen pos laureates im just wondering thinking ahead could that be aim form a female president joining that line up of lawyers is it possible do you see that what youre gonna tell me if you are the right to pursue a degree to Say Something about any and i think and im not going to say anything because. Im not a member of the Prize Committee i have no vote i dont know what you discussed it is a separate organization was all of the sources which does its an assessment of the sites we know it it gave before we go bob nick in february sometime in february over there to be able to answer the question. We have time for just one more video comment and this is out of cards whom have a listen to show again. Putting in mind that the Sudanese Government is now working