Forces move into cities that had been predominantly controlled by kurds worry about persecution and repr cautions and simply again the people that ive spoken to have no clue and whats different is throughout the war when ive spoken to refugees theyve talked about the hope of going home the dream to return to their homeland this time is very different i think that theyre really at their wits and and the people that ive spoken to said that they are now looking to begin their lives a new in iraq at least. I think you know i agree with natasha focus on speaking about the human aspect of whats happening because when it comes to big geopolitics often this is a myth and its important to understand you know whether its the one that was the socalled 120 hour ceasefire or full you know in practice we seen and its been widely reported that that was actually. Ever ceasefire either the turkish state and its allied forces on the ground as well as violated the cease fire 27 times theres been an amnesty report saying that theres been damning evidence of war crimes committed by the Turkish Forces and its allied to Syrian Forces and its shameful disregard for human life a british chemical weapons expert Hamish Debrecen Gordon has said the wounds of many of these people who were taken into hospitals were consistent with the use of the chemical weapon White Phosphorus so when we talk about these geopolitics lindsey hillson who is a British Channel 4 reporter put it perfectly she said there is a good Old Fashioned phrase for what turkey is trying to do and that is ethnic cleansing if there has been hundreds of thousands of people already displayed and if theres been countless civilian lives affected and killed we need to say what it is because there is clearly a play on the. Again a century on another play on the dynamics in the power play of the middle east so we need to make sure that the people are not losing again you know after. After you know how you know several years long war against the against isis by the Syrian Democratic forces 11000 fighters were killed to save the whole world from the evil of isis and what does the turkish state try to do essentially go on an isis rescue mission and what does this mean the gains of these people who while fighting against isis were building a democratic ecological and womens liberation a system is at risk now and this risks the stability the future the civilization of that region but potentially even the world when we have a whole world crisis we are desperately in need of alternative systems and this is what the forces the Syrian Democratic forces that are not just because theyre arabs turkmens many christian groups were building is now being risk is being attacked. And therefore again trying to impose a century old sectarian conflicts and these people who just want to live together now and dont want also or terry and dictatorial fish sticks states messing with their livelihoods and this is exactly what dons turkish state is doing and if i hear what youre saying and i think a lot of people in our community would it be with you im seeing those comments coming on you tube but i want to bring this up this is a tweet from someone whose handle is lone walker and you said ill give this to you alone says syria is currently in turmoil with several actors contributing towards its instability however creating a safe zone by turkey is a good idea as it lowers the weight coming with the refugee settlement in that country and of course we recently had a show which you were on where we talked about that issue in turkey and the numbers of refugees there so turkey says that this idea this is a safe zone is to deal with the numbers of refugees that they have in their country what do you make of what air force saying and what this person says is a good idea well 1st i want to address the chemical weapons accusation by. Parts of the western media those totally inaccurate turkey has never had chemical weapons thirtys never chemical weapons it is never used chemical weapons in the history of its military and it never will its but if you have. Chemical weapons now as for refugees now turkey has taken the brunt of refugees during this syrian conflict i think everyone on this program could agree that what turkey has done is very commendable the sea even though its provide not only for the 3600000 refugees inside a country but also for the 6000000 people that it protects the previous shield so in also all of great so it is well aware that turkey has you money right. So i couldnt take care so this is what we were going to spend say with her because it said if and if do to teach you hey you said he sat and he listened through to all the points he wanted to make he sat and he allowed you to make them and now hes going to have the conversation back with him to allow him the same question just how tight for moment so you can hear him respond go ahead listen and i get a very out of that money he got about 3000000000. 00 out of 6000000000 years that was promised to he also spent 40000000000. 00 out of its own pocket but this is not my dad this is the United Nations that are so it has played a Critical Role in protecting the Syrian Refugees but it comes at a time when a Refugee Status turns into a permanent residence a absorbing this much is just too much for terry its time to bring these people back but they bring these people back they need to have a state will present out on laid out a very Good Building program for this area that hes hoping for International Support hes not just trying to dump these people back into the lap hes trying to provide a safe area for them trying to provide their own to go back for them i think thats a very commendable job and so he said let me just and let me just go to the press and as one from the News Conference she when i hear you. Use have mentioned operation olive branches in the northwestern part of syria where present i dont see a safe space created for refugees hes hoping to do the same part in the same thing in the North Eastern part of syria and 7 listen back to that press conference this is how he described it. We have secured. A 4000 square kilometer. Area cleared from terrorists. This area that we have secured and made safe 360000 refugees have repatriated voluntarily. Had some time syrian land was always mentioned with terrorist attacks but now it is reaching tranquility and peace. Hopefully this will apply to the northern syria. See what you make of takis argument that needs to be an area of insanity as well science can feel safe and that we can have a comeback to where people can have safety when you make advance well let me tell you whats turkish aim in curating this socalled safe zone in northeastern syria or russia what turkey wants to create is to create a bridge of course on between the kurds in the south east of turkey and the kurds in russia and also to give bigley clans these areas from it is original inhabitants which includes predominately christian her defense among other ethnic and religious minorities and displacing these original populations and resettling them with Syrian Refugees out of the 3500000 refugees that use of is referring to my question for you said will be how many out of these 3500000 refugees in turkey is a commodity or kurds why did turkey never had to accommodate the Syrian Refugees among the christie refugees among the 3500000 or so little number that he is referring to in fact children are not accommodated do you want to answer to you what his response that question is in that question youre not surprised i would like to complete i would like to complete and then maybe you can refer back to the question that i pose i would like to continue by saying that turkey not actually not accommodate Syrian Refugees or the kurdish the refugees they have also not created the same zone for all and for a share of kurdish inhabitants in the southeast of turkey i think there are many patients incidentally each actually wanted him to ask that question to do what is it sounds that question he says that he was according to what i should and i. Learned occasion 350000 stated 350000 syrian kurds who fled but never returned due to the ratification as the north east around i think is. Since the medications are to shine shoes in goes on it is very clear as were seeing from International Airport we have seen civilians leaning in mass already and. Giving an opening to ours resurgence which is basically to appease double gamble all along in the car seat 7 years into war the campaign theyre. In for a moment may jump in the net and yet here you drink and thats allowed then i detach into the compass i should be right i said go ahead you just mentioned the. Impact that this refugee crisis during the syrian war has had on turkey i just want to mention that there is a turkish incursion has magnified and created a nother wave of a humanitarian emergency in iraq lets bear in mind that iraq is already hosting more than a 1000000 internally displaced people of its own in addition to rocks and g. s and prior to this incursion beginning the government was saying that the International Aid it relies on to assist these people has been cut in half so its affecting its ability to provide basic services such as Water Education health care except for us and when this thing frisian began there was not even i was there last wednesday there was not even a camp to begin accommodating the Syrian Refugees who were coming in they took a camp that had been shuttered for the last year it had been hosting people who fled the multiple offenses and it had emptied out they took back and we were there last wednesday that when they were hastily you were acting tense and so i guess what im trying to say is that there is an emergency. Occurring right now in iraq as a result of this incursion the Kurdistan Regional government is saying we do not have the funds we need to combat it and their numbers theyve done some number crunching the. If the fighting goes on for another couple of 30 days. If there is a. Violent in syria they are worried that there will be as many as 200000 people coming over their border. You mentioned the humanitarian crisis or a coming humanitarian crisis in iraq and i would venture to say that the comments were getting from people online theyre worried that this humanitarian crisis will extend the entire region when it comes to kurds so we got a comment on you tube from mamadou who says is this safe zone a temporary or permanent safe zone for these People Living there and its a good question keeping in mind this headline which we all saw not too long ago which really raises the question on how safe conditions will be for people in the region this headline from reuters for syrian kurds leaders killing deep in a sense of us betrayal this was a politician her name has been hash tag you can see it here. The horrific death someone tweets as devastating and sickening as a kurdish woman i can imagine her last thoughts and feelings and the hands of what this person calls turkish terrorists im terrified for women and girls in row java and unbearable loss thats left me devastated and heartbroken so this was a politician who was killed and was caught on tape you can see her hash tag of course going viral on instagram what does this mean for civilians and everyday people that are living in the region what are they feeling right now because i know youre talking to people who are there. Yeah i mean this is its its a very interesting mix and combination of emotions because obviously people are fearful because. There has been many i sleep or cells that have been activated because of the turkish invasion there have actually been attacks but also theres obviously more of a risky feel like they made than paid the biggest sacrifice to defeat isis territorially and to essentially protect the whole world from the evil of isis is but now theyre obviously angry that theyre scared but theyre determined because theyre determined because they werent just fighting against isis but they were also building a system where all the peoples of the region respecting the beautiful mosaic of the middle east can coexist together peacefully and now because of this. Because of this power battle of because he feels like he needs to somehow garner support using popularity domestically in turkey so he feels like he needs to be a war hero and therefore has a shameful disregard for human life because he needs to gather support again theres a risk of a new party forming in his own country and he needs to be able to once again garner the nationalist vote and become a war hero and we know from history that for at least a century many turkish state leaders do this by killing kurds this is a historical fact. Suggesting i just have to get this in because there were a couple hurtling towards the end of the program and this is so important whenever we talk about turkey and syria and the kurds as always some history that we have to talk about let me just show you syria who controls what this is a rainbow map of of who is in charge of what parts of syria im just going to point out to you some areas of really important so this area here the yellow area here the yellow area here hold tight shave and im going to ask you to hold tight please is the area that is the northeastern part of. As stan scuse me of syria controlled by the cuts and then he is techie and techie of a many as have lost around about 40000. 00 people and attacks by the Kurdistan Workers Party looking at this map it just seems strategically usef but it makes sense that you would want to have an area here that you would see as a protective area im jumping to analysis here that turkey isnt saying oh is this strategically for you why he would say hey we need a safe zone here does that protect the citizens more there that there is its very clear that theres 2 objectives the operation and the culmination of all these military operations one showing up Turkish National security 2 providing a place for these refugees to come home to now i want to also talk about very quickly lets lets remember what rock of the like after the u. S. Coalition lets remember well a little bit like after russian air strikes now look away all the areas that turkey is launching military operations that the ratio of these buildings is over 87 percent carry these areas in sirte his launch operations as a wing very very high kicks in