Receive a reason intent special report. Joining us is a real sense the Global Impact of what is to come next. Turkish involvement in libya deepens as ankara moves to support the internationally recognized government militarily but will that intensify the conflict he says its and this is inside story. Hello and welcome to the show im sam hes a than turkey is considering all kinds of military backing for libya that includes ground marine and air support if necessary president raja to do and also said hes ready to deploy troops if the internationally recognized government of libya formally requests help the government of National Accord or g. N. A. T. Has been fighting an offensive by rebel forces to unseat Prime Minister face assad raj since april warlord Khalifa Haftar announced his final push to seize the capital earlier this month his forces extended to wednesday a deadline for progovernment forces to withdraw or the ones announcement came after have to forces seized a grenade or flagged ship with turkish crew offer that he and coast the vessel and crew have now been released though after us forces have threatened to retaliate. While i take this opportunity to keep a warning to Aerospace Companies working to transport military equipment using civilian air plus abusing its civilian houses and thinking that it is under the protection of rules of International Law who have confirmed to monitor the movement of her sister when flights from istanbul to libya the Libyan National army forces gives a clear and honest warning to all Aerospace Companies our air forces will not hesitate to down or strike in a civil and airplanes transporting military equipment to leave us airports. Well turkey and the jna signed security agreements last month under those deals ankara agreed to give training and equipment to the Libyan Military and supply a Quick Reaction force of tripoli asks for it a separate agreement on maritime boundaries was also signed and that angered greece and raise concerns among several mediterranean countries tensions have already been running high between athens and ankara over drilling for natural gas off the coast of the Divided Island of cyprus greece says the accord violates International Law turkey rejects that accusation saying its protecting its rights in the Eastern Mediterranean now libyas warring sides are backed by Different Countries which provide them with military supplies despite a u. N. Arms embargo the United Nations recognize government led by Prime Minister fazer saraj is backed by most western nations as well as qatar and turkey the government of National Accord or jna as weve mentioned is based in the capital tripoli thats in the west now in the east of libya the parliament based in taba rock is highly for half the center of power he supported by egypt saudi arabia the United Arab Emirates and france he gets military equipment from different sides Russian PrivateSecurity Forces from the wagner group have allegedly been fighting alongside have to us forces. Ive a lets bring our guests into the show we have Samuel Arthur ashe a political activist and International Lawyer he joins us from tripoli use of a large there is an International Security and politics specialist and retired Turkish Armed forces colonel he joins us from ankara and of our bode is executive director of the Nordic Center for conflict transformation he joins us from paris welcome to you all if i could start with use of how far do you think ankara is willing to go uses in assisting the u. N. Recognize government in tripoli as far as the republic government once request assistance from the turkey turkey including even ground restore. A no because for sending the Ground Troops it requires any other result we should pass from the Turkish Parliament but the Turkish Parliament so far has ratified as an agreement on it technical as assistance to low polit government but if it requires if the circumstances inside libya gets very complicated because there are too many interventions inside libya including france russia turkey egypt United Arab Emirate if it thinks goes very complicated probably turkey may brink the issue to the parliament for sending troops so its possible interesting says our guest from ankara to see perhaps turkish troops in libya lets bring in norful if we can will it intensified turkish role help bring a close to this conflict or is it going to inflame it more do you think norful yes 1st of all we have to see. To say that somehow the ground action and reaction towards supporting the d. N. A. Actually is mirroring the way put in is supporting troops. We have to. Say basically that. Russia is supporting the troops through. Wagners company which is very much now present in many countries not only in in libya also in south africa republic it was in syria and there is even talks and they come to my space to to mind that it is now considering to be present in mali if they are not already the difference between the support of turkey to the jna and the support of russia and others to the have to is that russia stays invisible within this support wired turkey chose to be visible and to support the internationally recognized government of the jna. So does basically the 2 differences there are ok but my question did you mean how is it going to empower not only already going on in libya now. It is very much important the intervention and the support of the of turkey because it will most likely change the balance of power. In in the conflict 1st of all if the front lines are stalemate the air it is not knowing that they have terror groups have a little bit more advantage on the arab side with the drones that are like un reports have confirmed that actually there are chinese made drones that were supplemented by other countries but it will be shifted a little bit the balance in the conflict for now all right shifting the balance sami do you think we could see Turkish Forces turkish advisers whatever level of support does emerge from turkey entering into a clash with other foreign powers in libya. Yes 1st with afternoon to you and to your guests. And i wish you all the best this conversation taking us now i think it is about time really that especially in the absence of the International Role really according to the National Rules their absence of disability really to condemn the invasion of the military to the concepts of democracy in libya i think it is about time that. The bowers or the other states which believe in those values. Assessed the libyan nation and were attacked in their nation and their values and freedoms which they fought form a long long time and the double in 2011 so. Very happy to see that. The world some states which is prepared really to own out of their right that is a sense of i dont many of course are supporters of the internationally recognized and un backed government would would express further in the east to have those forces with a very different take on the situation in libya and im just wondering whether you think were going to see turkey enter into more of a direct clash and confrontation not only with relief to have to now with some of his backers expected. That yes we do expect that. And we feel that without serious intervention to balance the struggle really is unfair stargell seen by the International Community and i mean the United Nations and Security Council and other states which they supposed to be really taking proper stand and black and white clear violation which is taking place since 2012 actually and. Steve 4050 and so on till the 4th for 2098 where it became very blight that it is a really serious invasion serious attack on Democratic Values which all the war who have shared the political agreement side on 1712th 2015 have really clearly expressed so in the absence of all this we feel that the turkish should really after this agreement in a serious way and that can really develop to more of a physical presence in the libyan capital and on the suburbs of alright let me bring go back to no 4 briefly before i go back to use of in touch on a point which you raised in an ask the question of how precarious is the governments hold on tripoli right now we have seen a stand for a very long time but recently however have to us forces were able to seize a neighborhood of tripoli right exactly where the g. N. A. S. Is is little bit is quite weak its a government with no military forces there was some kind of agreement among some militias in the conference in morocco a long time ago but in terms of the military forces its a perk air kind of of government the the support of the do you think it could collapse and the agreement that it has signed by. Sorry do you think this government could collapse is it that precarious. I did not say yes its its its a kind of militarily is a quite weak and he needs the support and he has requested the support of the military and that signal somehow that the that kind of government discovered d. N. A. Is a little bit thinkin that it is as a precursor position. In relation to and reserve the the power of the house that there is a gain in continuously and that demonstrates why it requested the support from turkey and the. Disposition of the agreements are very very important to be able to explain the future and if turkey will be intervene in a militarily in in the country or not the same way it did in syria the agreement is basically has several points and in summary it relates to the consultation to training and to the supply of equipment but it has one point of it that says that the d. N. A. Can request. On the ground aid from turkey which it doesnt happen yet ok i do not think if we are thinking about whether it would be a military intervention from turkey or not i would not think that turkey is taken at this present moment of any air strikes one there is a logistical kind of difficulty for 30 to carry that because the air bases are quite not close enough to carry out airstrikes discreetly. And the 2nd thing the g. N. A. T. Did not request the on the ground. Presence by torrential censor of yet allows their earth sloganeering in a very good boards as well use of from ankara basically or so he signed up to be the guardian and save of the tripoli government can they prevent the tripoli government from losing any more ground hafter yeah probably the turkish support is. In order to keep in power the government of National Accord is very important from the perspective of the Turkish Security interests but let me also remind you that the un backed government inside the tripoli also should be supported by the all countries because that is the country that is the government already u. S. Backed government of usually inside libya for this reason if the turkeys a force. Enough to keep it in the power it is very important for the self interest of the turkey but at the same time it is to the interest of the europe because if it tripoli government. Or were drawn by the award after probably a need internal clashes again increase and that means a refugee crisis that europe may increase or say at the same time the 2nd issue is that the energy security. Will be needed than your if the triple a government is or were drawn by the holy perhaps there for the season i do believe that turkey will try to keep empowered the triple a government the military and Technical Support and it will be enough from my point of perspective but if the tip of the government is under the fire of the waratah after gets worse than the 2nd phase may come. Air to the stage or from perhaps the perspective of the d. N. A. Let me ask which is that i should point out the acronyms because they can get a little bit confusing in libya are talking im talking about the internationally recognized un backed government now sami from the perspective of that international recognize government is the turkish support about defeating hafter or simply pushing the rebel forces back far enough that they have to come to the negotiating table. Well its a good question actually but i think the dilemma here is whether the International Community and any bow out of any country which want to support the libyan have to be a really. Modern also legal ground and we feel that our government which just the president by your guest. From turkey mr yousef was very sound one that it is a responsibility for us to afford for them to mess you know community really to sub or i mean the National Accord government not only that but also to put an end to the military attempt violation. To the state in libya which is civil and democratic states or we are talking about the reality is sami of course as you know beyond lip service most International Powers are not really providing much other support to the aaa gulf as of right yes that is how so will the g. N. A. T. Here so you are right you know well the tripoli government you think it really believes now with turkey support is going to be able to defeat hafter or will the strategy be simply to inflict much of a loss to be negotiated the end of the day no no no no no no you cannot negotiate there is no Common Ground really between the 2 camps the camp of freedom and democracy and civil state cannot really fight any get out with a military dictator who want to govern the libyan their country ok uncle provisos already it is that we have let me take this question back and he also got say what we are saying is that if i may i love me just for a 2nd please ok go ahead very briefly. Yes i think it is a black and white the issue is very clear we have already national the National Agreement signed accepted also by the United Nation which is the. Agreement side 117122015 sets the rules of what country should be and was the mc it is ok for reforming this country right in the region hold it let me bring you some of the mission in back into the discussion use of countries dont usually intervene obviously in other parts of the world simply for altruistic reasons right they have some benefits or some interests in that region whats at stake for turkey is it really about simply about saving the International Legitimacy of this government or also about saving some of turkeys interests in the Eastern Mediterranean especially when it comes to maritime issues and and gas reserves for bot we can see for what because the all the shapes and all the board of sort the middle east is changing now as you can see inside syria inside libya inside the maritime borders for this is and i cannot say that the only concern that turkey concerns about is not the libyan nation or government of a court but also at the same time turkey is pushing this issue because soft he is south interests inside the mediterranean because there is a fait accompli inside the eastern part of the mediterranean in between the United Arab Emirates agrees cypriots and egypt and turkey is being confined to a similar plan which conflicts turkey to a very limited part of the mediterranean but at the same time libya has cannot approach the scene you simply cant turkey carve out a wider area for its own interests. Bilaterally between itself and libya against the wishes perhaps of egypt israel or greece cyprus and so on yes there that is a diplomacy. Which will give turkey a chance because turkey is already drilling in it is economy exclusive zones bitched at the same time greece and the cypriots at the same time declared that place as they economy calls on for this reason turkey has no problem israel turkey has no problem with the egypt in terms of economy collects clues of songs in his problems is bitty greek site and if the cyprus site saw what turkey or forced to the egypt but turkey offers to the israelis very important if they sign a deal the turkey the area that egypt will gain is more than 30000 square kilometers for this isnt even the City Government will never accept this the people off the streets on the kyra should understand that the land in the economy called zones are being sought to be a greek site for this is an i believe that turkey is pressing to do a field bit it is military if it is the relink bit also the diplomacy that he signed an agreement between libya let me remind that after turkey sign to agreement memorandum of understanding with the libyan nation or government of a court immediately is sidle make a declaration that he is stopping all it is facile it is together with disappearance in the border of the economy exclusives wrong because this up real says a maximalist policy toward the science economy exclusive zonks widest set decoration like this because he understood also that turkey is very dedicated to protect his rights not on the ground but also at the maritime areas or i believe that the diplomacy be the result of the issue. Let me bring will follow whats happening to the u. S. Position the u. S. Seems to be somewhere between with drawl and confusion officially the u. S. Is supposed to be supporting the internationally recognized government but we saw the scenes of her going and meeting with senior trumpet ministrati