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Building a wall was the promise made in the bid for the white house 0 tolerance approach the southern border became government policy detaining children and separating families the stark reality. Picture too much to bear for Many Americans in a country that was built on immigration. For all of the key issues of the u. S. Elections on aljazeera. I am to me ok today the stream is teaming up with Human Rights Watch to take a look at their campaign to ban the close confinement and shooting of mentally ill patients and people around the world let me give you an example of what were talking about he stepped false and reporting from indonesia. For 5 months now has been locked up in a cage where he lives in his own excrement his family is sometimes too afraid to feed him after he murdered his mother later to have body he was taken to a man hospital 4 months later he came back i guess i have there they said he was cured but after 3 months he became aggressive again a very lightly injured the head of the village with a machete his friend and i were also wounded and im worried if we will let him out again. So much talk about settling a mentally ill people close confinement of mentally ill people around the world and how do you stop that how it is great to have you here on the string tell everybody who you are. Thank you very large. The right one which is a movement. That could lead. To problems. With inform. It is. Good to have you how i know you have no welcome to the stream introduce yourself to the world. I am no use if you can just call me. A secretary general Asian Federation of psychiatry associations and im from indonesia nice to meet everyone. Nice to me even nice to have you here on the street and gentle welcome back to the street remind everybody he was. Thanks so much every question could be here my name is something around every corner and the director of disability rights at Human Rights Watch and today as you alluded to we launched a report called living in chains that documents the practice of shackling people with Mental Health conditions in over 60 countries around the world. So you can well who pray with your report theyre ready to hold up to camera ive actually got it here on my laptops that people can see what were talking about in close up this report to cue a year. Why is it so important what do you want to get it. Well 1st weve been working on this issue since i went to ghana back in 2011 so almost a decade and it was the 1st country where we documented the practice of shackling and over the years weve looked at this issue in indonesia in somaliland in nigeria how i know is that if you well and we realize that there was this is a global trend and so today we put out a report that shows that hundreds of thousands of people with Mental Health conditions are psychosocial disabilities men women and children as young as 10 years old. Are put in chains at some point in their life or confined in small spaces and. As you can imagine. Living in a shed in an Animal Shelter or forced to eat sleep in urine it in that same tiny area its inhumane and frankly its torture as the u. N. Experts call that themselves and. Un expert on torture denounce that its unequivocally. A fact of torture if you put someone in shackles like weve seen these images just now im looking at these images and i should say and i have to say that some of the memory really disturbing so be ready for those images because what were talking about is human rights abuses to people who dont have the ability to nestle protest about it so it. Is on twitter and he says underneath this new report that Human Rights Watch is sharing im going to put this to you know that i thought this was a thing of the past ash tank break the chains. Thank you very much for the report. It has actually become a awareness since 2007 when i read a report from going to st of health that there were 18000 people with Mental Health conditions being shackled you know in many forms and explain before under social media and also from very poor and. So thats why for me i had to make a very big at the time of my life i decided to run as a member of parliament because i thought that this problem can only be resolved through regulation such as from the Mental Health law thats why i ever run for parliament and then i remember help build charity work in committee and then to be a was passed into law in 2014 however my intention was of the violation of human rights that happened in indonesia i have not entirely succeeded it has been 6 years. Thats not a lot in there if a different relationship related ministries especially going to help as leading sector so yeah its actually very important to follow up the law because i know it is very diverse its very large geographically its the 4th most populous population in the world and indonesia has a regional autonomy system there are 34 provinces not to mention this 3 villages and really there is democratically elected equal so they do not necessarily care about Mental Health in general let alone shackling therefore i think that the regulation issued by the president or president ial decree is really needed yes the only tool to breach the government and local governments so they have the same perspective concern aims and also coordination 60 at the time to get the shackling preprogram so i really think we need this president ial level decree as a means of course and if possible Law Enforcement must also be done in its implementation i know its a good deal but i much prefer humanity you know as a form of conscience instead of a byproduct of long no well yeah family i think after. Him and and so who are you going to have a yugo. Now i want to ask you know i mean youre i think law is important part of one of the key assets from this reported our campaign is that every country should ban the practice of shackling and some countries are working on that our herself is helping to to reach that end in nigeria but you know indonesias had a ban on tackling said 977 its in the laws for more than 40 years and yet the practice still happen so i think in our view there is much more that we need we need. Services and support to support for people with Mental Health issues we need to look at why there shackled in the 1st place its because there is stigma and shame surrounded by mental conditions there is a lack of government providing services supports and not just spent a whole medical services were talking about a holistic approach that needs to be implemented and governments need to invest in job training housing. And ways to keep people out of shackles out of institutions but also instead productive members of their society so its a much broader. Toolkit that we need in order to address whats been a decade long problem in indonesia as you very well know but frankly i mean were looking at the numbers i mean how do you mention how countries you mentioned that was and i want to bring to the conversation was it because nigerians are in this conversation as well how many let me show you to think that i want to tweet and then once a video from Human Rights Watch about a nigerian Healing Center that some of my laptop 1st of all with the tweet so this is her room and who knows since we were talking about shackling here that it is a rampant practice in most places in nigeria in spite of Inhumane Treatment and physical piece associated with it Mental Health issues are alluding to spiritual attacks and victims and mostly stigmatized and often not give an awful dont streetman so there is that haroon a saying and in Human Rights Watch she went to so they could in the june Healing Center this was just last year lets have a look at what made our feet our chain this way we cant walk around and we just sit quietly and it has been 5 months since the chain was put on my legs it hurts when i walk. So how is this is not just nigerians shanta was saying that there is 16. That still or have jacqueline and close confinement can you explain to us in the context of nigeria why it happened i dont know if there were a number of things that i thought of a bit. Over one hand you have you know the fact that the jury of. Them or the like. Really have that going on. You know the the current trials on Mental Health especially the human love for health and the cost of the welfare system that has to be incorporated so we have got to go and i dont know how do we also i always say that you can have a conversation around Mental Health on a special session without also have been a conversation about. All the structures that ive been a boy i shall tell you something about that because a lot of times what happens is you know you dont have the capacity to do it you have one concept. About. Nigeria and about the huge deficits for when people can go to n. Times all women to hold support and you have obviously in fact that includes Mental Health care for all you know we do long have Mental Health are the primary Health Care Levels you know if it was something that was reflected on the national. Program and we devised a conflict as well thank you as well besides you know the United Nations convention on the rights of persons with disabilities is part of the critical thing we dont see that being reflect that and i just wish i knew something which well i mean of course. Just so i think over the another aspect of the interface and some something that i think is to mostly learn just about the legion but about the undecided as well a lot of the underside of the medal how you know its part of your how. They were like you know. That its you know is this the ritual of the what do you do and push it away and you segregate change it so that it doesnt affect you over the. Case i dont think it is going to become a little. Yeah im going to guess what if you have got a computer that keeps pinging and im going to ask you to see if you can silence it no but i think it might be you are right maybe people messaging you saying you were on t. V. If you could someone is not that would be the best thing ever you know just check in with you tube Ashwani Kumar wants to notion owner of these practices also happening in india a lot people in eugene right now a chatting back and forth saying this is happening in our country this is happening india and. Yes sadly it is happening in india. Its happening in countries all around the world we found in india just in january of last year that we reported that theres thousands of people who were found shackled. In the quote like cattle there tied with iron chains and had lost had locked those are the conditions just in one state and weve been working with local organizations there again and groups like ours that are people of them theyre made up of people with Mental Health conditions and thats really important to this work because we need to make sure that were making were emphasizing the voices of people with lived experience with Mental Health conditions in india and elsewhere its happening in quite tamala its happening in morocco its happening in pakistan its happening in many countries across pretty much every continent where weve documented the shackling and its its frankly stunned me that you could enter. A facility in indonesia and a facility in nigeria and its the idea that someone with a Better Health condition should be chain is it is about treating them less than a human being at the end of the day and. I think that concept is universal and for me thats the most shocking because. People should live in dignity and not in chains. And i want to share this im because we were talking to various Mental Health advocates around the world and seeker is a global Mental Health professor from Harvard University and he put some context into why this is happening the supplies in 2020 shuttling in close confinement is happening and as she explains gives us some context of this nobody wants to gene a person who is part of a family they do it because they have no choice and its for the government to provide evidence based and rate based here as a part of the universal Health Coverage so that people are changed we dont try to people who are suffering. From Blood Pressure or from diabetes why should we do that for people who are suffering from mental disorders just record or behavior sometimes again be abnormal. The Mental Illnesses are just like the other physical illnesses and dick and recruiter the people can become more right and can be a revenue was formed and construct a part of society for them since then for others. You know if you want to pick up on that you would you would know the that resonated with the. Ive been listening to hell and also shut up. Its almost the same in indonesia experiences are psychosis in indonesia truly embodied a case of luck black magic and of course a defenseless existence with mental conditions so i present the lack of adequate Mental Health Care Services and also the scarcity of resources. The ability for families to cope and also the capacity of medical professionals to deliver quality care which in the end leads to the practice of shackling or the presence of imaginary on the treadmill and not based on clinical reality. Or are even if you have access to care and you have this. Mental health facility. So therefore i mean this thing still happens in indonesia because of these experiences of psychosis itself. Particularly with certain cultural or traditional stepping. We look at living in changes as a reporter the investigation is. Also in exposing. The you brought. The countries themselves maybe not know about the Mental Health practices. In many cases the governments know the communities know but it is a hidden practice its invisible and so i do think by calling us up this is the 1st global report that shows the scale and the breath of cheney and we hope it does attention to governments to say oh we need to do something about it its its an embarrassment its its a human rights violation and there are practical steps you can take and i do have hope you know i this is a man. April 27th and he when i approached him chained to a tree he was wearing just as a very small red cloth around his waist and. The chain was about one meter long and that one meter was the radius of his life there were roosters running around in the same facility that were more free than this man who had chained to the street for 5 years and we Work Together with local advocates and people with lived experience and put pressure on the government and i actually came and saw the chains off felix and 15 others in that camp in ghana and i met him a couple bucks later and you could see he had weight he had he was smiling and he was free and you can with pressure actually bring about change and governments can do things once theyre aware of once theyre called out on it which is why we need to be out there and not just those of us who are in this field but frankly anyone whos watching the show weve launched a Campaign Today called hash tag break the chains you can go to break that chains dot org and you can take a pledge that you are committed to helping end the stigma and the shame around Mental Health and to working to call out these abuses and put pressure on governments to to do what they did in ghana to to let felix free but in so. Many countries there are still hundreds of thousands of people who are not yet free. Let me take you to uganda and this is me right hes a disability rights advocate and he talks about how a Campaign Like break the chains could actually help mentally ill people who are being put in close confinement who are being shackled this is what he told us and in uganda shackling is a very shrewd. Minute children millie who didnt chains missile in iran unities was to. Mentor him in new york relieved now the fact that we have this camp in iraq or what it. Is and in uganda and theres a 1000000 more traditional healers and religious leaders understand we have and help support these campaign and was a look at human rights to be supportive humorous for us to be supported to change his hundreds at every 100 m. This town did. So well in the war. He should have gone straight to the show and say and gender is my thing i do is i. Want to straight away as i am to winds ahead. Well its inspiring to see that when we join forces collectively we can do so much we can call this out we can put pressure on governments and we can as he said reach out to those who are major influences in in countries like religious leaders Football Players people like you family who are helping us highlight this issues shine a light on these abuses and can bring about change so i look forward to working with michael and so many others on the ground people like how you have tremendous courage and strength and so many lessons that and that we can learn from them on how to move away from the shackles and restore the dignity im very excited very very excited so. Really you to break the chain is not that or of you got to go check out the website using our platform for hope that will know what you will yes you took at the beginning of a conversation about political will get in politics enough bold in Mental Health and thats how change can happen can you tell us any Success Stories because were showing the worst that can happen what about the best. Well. There are several initiatives being done in indonesia because i mentioned earlier about how we have this regional autonomy system so i wouldnt really call it a success for me. But at least theres an effort here and there so i notice there is a province in indonesia where the governor is a woman who was once the minister of social affairs situated a program called. Awesome means shackling indonesian so this program enables to find out where the shackling occurs including by name address so depression could be found and refer to a hospital and also continue for care at the rehab center managed by the minister also. But i dont know where this one is going somehow i appreciate the effort being done surprisingly its being done by a female leader in indonesia and. Not saying anything specific about gender issues but im just very glad that out of many leaders in indonesia she came up with this initiative. Let me bring in the results of you back to just jump in just highlight also what it is that i get out of this not to you might be familiar with their i dont look at the formal nearly passed out but its this initiative that you see in the video just there where people are going yeah the door there speaking to people of find out about a range of Health Issues or Mental Health is one of them so in generating Mental Health into the primary Health Care System and then theyre able to detect cases of shackling theyre able to educate their vehicle to provide a link to services and its a really as i understand its reached 48000000 households but 70 percent of indonesia which is a Great Initiative and weve highlighted this in the report as well and we need more up efforts like this and that. And im hearing is a good story will help yes so what im hearing is is a hopeful note let me let me continue on that note dr frida committee is a clinical psychologist at the africa Mental Health research and Training Foundation she has some ideas about how how do we stop shaklee around the world just ban it and stop it. The mother in for parents not. The solution. Is broken writes. Tina reading through. These stops the. Change on her turn and there. Were also good. Rehearsals for us foreigners. And suv. That brings us to the end of the show i have this the mom minute left what would you like us to do in that one minute let me just remind you audience in the here on my laptop out to days ago to act h w at Human Rights Watch on twitter and then you can see the reporting that they have done of the past year looking at the shocking of people with psychosocial disability world like there was a lot of information there chanting theres a you can be part of the campaign as well its not just about being on aljazeera its not just about being on t. V. Or we could be part of the solution how know that santa thank you so much for being on the streets day to really appreciate the input that he tweeted to us if you are new to it thank you very much. An email from the home edition strains. In x. 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