Transcripts For ALJAZ Bellingcat - Truth In A Post-Truth Wor

ALJAZ Bellingcat - Truth In A Post-Truth World July 12, 2024

Hes been cleared to resume campaigning and while the white house insisted saturdays event wasnt a Campaign Rally it sure seemed like one attacking his opponent former Vice President joe biden multiple times Sleepy Joe Biden has betrayed black and latino americans if you think you can run this country youre wrong track was addressing black and latino conservatives who are part of a movement known as blacks it or black accept the movement believes the Democratic Party has betrayed communities of color and is encouraging them to vote republican if the left gains power theyll launch a nationwide crusade against the Law Enforcement and theyve already done that. Trump is playing on voter fears of the sometimes violent unrest that gripped several u. S. Cities for months this past summer following protests over the death of george floyd a black man killed while in police custody. Hopes his law and order message will help him win over white suburban voters in addition to minority communities hurt by the violence but time is running out for a president currently trailing joe biden in the polls right now americans are actually voting there are. Voting either in person or their mailing in their ballots so theres not much time for the president if hes going to turn this around to do so prior to cope with 19 trumpet built on historically low unemployment for minorities since kovac 19 those jobs have been wiped out and once again communities of color are suffering economically in greater numbers than white americans but with little clarity about his own covert recovery there are questions about whether trump should even be on the campaign trail i think if the board had to make clear. That they could be focusing. On the. President trouble began holding large public rallies beginning on monday and again on tuesday and wednesday as he targets 3 battleground states he really helped get washed a politician freed from prison by supporters just days ago is now the new Prime Minister of kurdistan the parliament confirmed saw that it is up or off after nearly a week of violent protests over a contested election of says he expects the president to step down within a few days. There have been explosions in the disputed reason of not going to cut it back despite a cease fire between on media and as advice on it follows a brief halt in violence after talks in russia on friday. At least 20 people have died in train and a bus collision in central thailand the accident happened about 80 kilometers east of bangkok when the toll bus was crossing a road track during rain protests is in nigeria demanding a police unit accused of abuses be disbanded they say the special and he robbery squad to commit to torture and killings against the group has spread across the country sparking several days of demonstrations. The former president of colombia has been freed after 2 months under house arrest of autoroute day is accused of witness tampering he was released after giving up his senate seat brazilians have been told not to worry about catching the coronavirus by their president. He tested positive for the virus in july and claims he didnt feel anything it comes as brazils death toll has passed 150000 its the 2nd worst in the world these are the headlines the news continues on aljazeera after battling capture truth in a post truth world. After trying. To crash trying. To rush. Finally with them problems being an american journalist has been beheaded by isis terrorists a video showing the whole risk a killing was released on the internet a short while ago along with a message to the united states. The rebel courier. Went activist very very powerful. Guy or you have data getting out but he didnt want to get about 38 out and eat and kill but you dont want him to take that hot air craft thing right and you know crane over the larry very. Sugar and you know this is nonsense there are no Russian Armed forces anyway in the east of ukraine and fortunately the russian backed separatists who control the area continue to block the investigation the separatists are removing evidence from the crash site all of which begs the question what exactly are they trying to hide. We have to make sure that the truth is out. Before any official investigation into the tragedy of flight m h 70 was complete the website of one citizen journalist claims to have connected the dots billing cat is run by Elliot Higgins a 36 year old leader of Office Workers among boeing gets the word tools or you tube and google earth something higgins used to back his claim that russian big satellite images to play in the green army for the mh 7000 crash. When i was younger i was super super show i was universe i just couldnt leave the house or show shy. Terribly nerdy is this hour i was really into if you game and i was very i was drawn as well so i got to computers and the kind of people do. I used to play these games a lot and i would like join a group and inevitably object to being the leader of the group because i was really good stuff. Ive always been like ive had this kind of assess if i see where i do Something Like really get into it. Ive just been looking at twitter and i noticed there was a you know i suspect you know and someone said of this james foley all of. This is to start for an american citizen culture. I just felt like i need to see do something so thats why for it see if i can actually figure out where this taking place. The 1st one i notice is it was in this kind of very dry and arid area but in the distance you can actually see a very green and fertile area and if you are familiar with the train around raca. City is a state stronghold at that point you could see this valley with this river running for a cream but the hills around there were very dry and arid these are very dusty heavy area b. Can see in the distance all these individual trees so when you look at rocca this is exactly what youre seeing you see in this green valley with these hills and i basically just went through and followed this line looking for similar terrain and you can see here its very very rough indeed so awful that was the likely location and then i started looking up these little background details like these trees on the road and comparing them to imagery that was visible from a line of sight once i had a possible location i published it just to see if i could generate a discussion around where this could have happened and then several months later thats when i started. I really was going to come here and talk to you about revolution but with the discussion of the post truth world it feels like a counterrevolution now and its been a very peaceful and quiet revolution. To smartphones thanks to social media and fights to the vast amount of information now Available Online to anyone and this revolution is allowed to new fields to grow i like to call this field online open source investigation can use it to influence the powerful with use it to challenge the powerful and we can bring them to accountability as well it used to be that the tools of Media Production were in the hands of the media. And with the rise of the internet that is no longer true. With blogging starting in 2000 and social media starting 2004 and you tube which i think started in 2005. The tools for Media Production have been given to the people formerly known as the audience. Doesnt have Institutional Support they dont have a big building at the hague or brussels where they do their work they actually publish very Detailed Analysis and many of them a volunteer is living at home they dont have security and so what they do is really risk a great deal to find out the truth in very complex situations that include major global play is. Essential to the regime of the people. Someone used to be telling the. Truth. On the. Video screens. In the distance an. Exhaust and. Nothing should would have been a problem even if. The mission really. Is lost on you know all my dance school so not based also by you kid. They do thousands of them a little more lies you just publish a lot of fear not enough to see. How i got involved bella cat was that i had been following the ukraine conflict so pretty much since the beginning and then when i made 17 was shot down and got curious because passenger planes fly very high they fly that cruise at altitudes of 1010 kilometers i hadnt seen weapon systems that could reach that so previously what ive seen is this is a troll who launched missiles that can only reach a couple of kilometers but nothing that could down on the passenger airliner. If there were these pictures of all the parts of the aircraft that were starting to appear on social media and what at once it understand was that could we actually see any damage on the Aircraft Parts itself that could indicate what brought it down and thats how i got talking to that other people. There was arabic and then that to me came along as well and we sort of naturally start i suppose talking to each other that at some point that eliots reached out to all of us and said hey do you want to actually do something in a more coordinated fashion and thats how we sort of ended up as the sort of core really cuts. I was at work here in charlotte at a bank and my job was to monitor events that were going on and try to see if theres any danger or risk to the bankers employees or travelers or whatever i focus a lot on you could rush and work because i started russian literature and graduate school so i knew russian and i did a lot of monitoring of things to do with russia and ukraine and i remembered seeing some news that a plane shot down over ukraine. That i 1st i thought oh its no big deal you know but another planet been shot down. But soon obviously as everyone knows realize it wasnt a ukrainian plane and then i like everybody else was wondering what was going on with her i was watching social media and i was watching a few different feeds of news and a member i had. Which is like the main russian state news channel and life news and the life news channel members stream specifically was her if they were showing the bodies it was awful you should people rifling through it was just horrible horrible scene and of course you want to know who did this and why did it happen and how can you bring some relief and you know justice to it. We know the trajectory we know where it came from we know the timing and it was exactly at the time that this aircraft disappeared from the radar we also know from voice identification that the separatists were bragging about shooting it down afterwards so theres a stocking here but i really want to 1st understand what was a shutdown with because that that would lead to the who did it. A couple weeks before and 17 was shut down there was a report on voice of russia that the rebels in east ukraine had taken over this book missile base in donetsk what i 1st thought that ok its conceivable says ukraine does also have books on the rebels if they had access to the books they could have access to people as well who could operate those systems but there was only then after. After a little while 1st learning that the same missile launcher had been actually seen in russia thats really when things started like the together and sort of the russian role started becoming apparent. The way citizen journalism investigations are trusted is different than professional journalism. In professional journalism you have the reputation of the b. B. C. Behind you. And the standards of institution are the basis for trust in citizen journalism works differently. Trust is generated not by the brand name or the glory of the institution its generated through transparency. And so in citizen journalism investigations. What the journalist says is not trust me im with the b. B. C. Its dont believe me heres the evidence. Syrias dead lease. Is now even dangerous with both the u. S. And russia launching airstrikes but supporting different sides. This is the markets one month before that. More than 60 people were killed and its just a market i mean there is no military airbase its not near the frontline it was attacked about an airstrike why would you attack civilians i mean what is the reason. The core of what i have been doing with its human rights activism with some of my colleagues we started a Facebook Group called the uprising Information Center just in the beginning 2011 we were just locating where the peaceful protests were coming from but that turned into in pointing human eyes variations and workloads eventually working on doing open source analysis cart. So if we go from the beginning so you see its like the 1st moment of the dark you see 4 rockets going into the market and we are trying to see if its a fake video maybe from a different country maybe in syria but in a different time and we have seen this has happened a lot. If you remember directors who filmed a boy that has been killed. It was just a film that they were doing and a different country even but it got a lot of traction when people use that as look at whats happening in syria right but actually it wasnt happening in syria. So we need to make sure that whatever were looking at its clearly verified its not just propaganda. So you can see theres 4 bombs falling from scott and then impacting 3 of them in a pretty much the same place a force to further out. So there we see the bigger impact here and then theres one further down here. Its hard to say what exactly it is but i wouldnt exclude either the syrians or the russians russians from this one but in addition to this it would be really good to see the actual remnants of the bombs themselves because that then gives you more data about what exactly the bombs were and that can tell you who opossum to strike the work that heidi and belling cat have been doing is critical theyre grabbing obviously large quantities of information much of which can disappear quite quickly from the internet and preserving it so that we have it for future accountability mechanisms one of the things that hadi and the syrian archive have been doing and weve been really trying to support them in that process is figuring out how do you code and label and tag all of these videos so that if for example a legal investigator later says we want to investigate this particular crime on a particular date and particular place that they can pull up that information quickly they can explain how they got it so that its transparent for a court of law and can then actually send it on to the investigators in a way that makes sense. I know most. Talk that says are not are not seen to talk as for him not to speak. Is assume it. Was our vision i would also have a phone so i was its a mom or on our way to help sessions you for example was a harvard offer very true but he talked. To me is helping to understand better what happened in the impact sites so what i am asking to me is if he can create a city the structure of this location so then we can go in detail and see what happened in its building. Jesus software but i was d. M. V. Due i was einstein and bill dont dissuade us. These are common done. In the book to end the only kid those issues the fake. Will to its who would be more does id through the. Get an update from them to me and holly about the occasional bombing. The big challenge for a journalist is just if you think about workability as doing that the mount of time that it takes to go through this so we have people on their free time in the evenings you know theyre spending hours and hours going through this sea of the pressure with many traditional journalist elephants as that theyre getting so tight on resources and time these days that its hard for them to actually spend enough time to sort of goal for all of us and analyze in the way that some of the volunteer groups can. In the case of syria itself there is more hours of the conflict online now than the hours of the conflict itself its the most documented conflict in history and i dont see big News Agencies doing any work late this. The delineations dating unfounded allegations against my country are depending on. Bloggers and videos and among one of them is a very famous british citizen called ilya tegans who was online imports about the situation in syria are intensively yet mistakenly adopted by many Media Outlets as well as governments according to wikipedia and i quote elliot haggans in 2012 when he began blogging this year in situation was an unemployed finance admin worker who spends his days taking care of his child at home. Hagans analysis of syrian weapons began as a hobby out of his home in his spare time haggans has no background or training in weapons and is entirely selftaught and he said before the arab spring i knew no more about weapons than the average x. Box owner i had no Knowledge Beyond what i had learned from and which was a nigger and ramble never been to syria doesnt speak a word as arab there and he conducts his press and reset from the concept of his. And his. When i 1st saw the idea for the website of the star to thousands are searching for the club and. I base it fails just like i was still open source investigation a lot of crap names and theyre all taking anyway so you know. I forgot they were picked one so i was stuck and i confess my friend hes a playwright you know so ill ask him and quite quickly he said what about bending the cat. A mouse town was recently visited by a cat since then all of the mice havent got any peace so the monks decided to be rid of this guy. That you. Have been. Picking up. How about do you bell the cat as you seem to be the one with the great idea to me oh no. We were in the greatest ideas are nothing when they cant be done. So this is a photograph of the book i shot i make 17 this is take about 4 hours before the shoot down. And we look at this we can see a few things that are pretty obvious like we have the book right here which is in the back of a white valvo with a red letter trail around it and also we have here that jeep. If we look at other videos of this convoy we can find the same vehicles in each one so for example right here this is the white valvo carrying the book. And here you see. The same sheep that we saw in that photograph along with a video taken 2 days prior accompanying a number of russian and separatist tanks 3 Eastern Ukraine to this video was taken on the day of their make 17 shoot down 5 hours before the shoot down and you can see them one of the most important details. Is on this book we can see 1234 missiles on the book to shut down and make 175 hours for the shoot down. If you look at a video filmed the next morning around 5 or 6

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