Which raises even more questions and concerns of the residents here in kabul about the security in the city which has been deteriorating throughout a very, very long time. How could this happen with all those checkpoints, with those glimpse on the sky of kabul, but they have been monitoring the security situation and what happened this morning, really, it really felt like the capital was under attack. I spoke with people who even thought that there was a military coup. Others felt that the taliban were trying to take over the city because for 10 minutes nobody knew what was happening. It was just and i could watch from my window. It was just contact constant explosions and things landing across the city. There were fathers who grab their babies and they try to hide behind refrigerators. Praying that today will not be the day that their baby will die. And all these rockets have landed in the heart of kabul, our very crowded areas, residential areas, and the kabul is not a stranger to cause of rocket and mortar attacks. The difference of what happened this morning was that it was constant. It was for 10 minutes. Meanwhile, the u. S. Secretary of state might pompei as arrived in qatar, no essential to meet negotiators from the Afghan Government and the taliban. Separately on players visit to doha is part of a 10 day tour of the middle east and europe. Michigan Republican Party leaders say that there is no new information that would change joe bidens electoral victory there. Thats after they met with donald trump at the white house. Hes reportedly trying to convince republicans to appoint pro trump electoral laws in states where biden one the u. N. Secretary general, has warned that yemen is on the verge of a catastrophic famine. Untenured terrorist says millions of lives could be lost if nothing can stun yemenis are already suffering from 6 years of war. And we see that emetic there going to nation of humanitarian situation and the risk as it was expressed this morning. In my Statement Released of a famine thats probably would have had no parallel in recent history except the Famous Family of it. Your pierre many decades ago, protests have been held in brazil against the killing of a black man outside. A supermarket video shows 2 security guards repeatedly hitting a man in the face before his death. Protesters in thailand are demonstrating again to keep up the pressure on the government there demanding changes to the education system, which they say is archaic. Student led rallies have been held since july, calling for a constitution reforms to the monarchy and the removal of Prime Minister player chan. The philippines is to lift a ban on Health Care Workers taking jobs overseas. That means up to 5000. 00 nurses will be allowed to leave each year. Present regurgitator introduce the travel ban. In april he said, a filipino doctors and nurses were needed to help fight krone virus at home. Canadas largest city toronto is going back into lockdown on monday. After rising coronavirus cases, health officials, fear daily infections could reach 12 times the current level. The state of South Australia is ending its 6 day lockdown early after it was revealed. A pizza worker with corona virus had lied about his movements. The infected man told contact traces he went to buy pizza rather than the fact that he worked at the store. They believed he caught the virus after a brief exposure. It was assumed, the strain was highly contagious and lead to a statewide lockdown. Those were the headlines are about more news in half an hour to stay with us here on our, just over her if you a baby the market for 30 years, you begin to worship it and believe it was power of the law and the purpose of the tyrant tried to make anything else unimaginable the 1st dictatorship of the dictatorship. In your mind, theyre almost superheroes. The only super heroes going to save us is all shelves. And thats what about 99. 00 means. Its owes them a job. So it must be uncool, nation and activist until fascist new radical human molly crabapple, a writer journalist and artist guantanamo is a place that runs on secrecy and on censorship. But its not just i had an advantage, i could drive around the censorship. As a journalist, i spent much of my time covering protests all over the world. The people in the streets today, the same people whod been on the streets protesting against austerity, 6 to tell other document people fighting oppression, often against impossible odds. I drew this right next to the right cops. I explore how all Global Economic system paved the way to a new author. With art and with words, i document the ways the people are fighting along with technology, provide the solutions to all the tools we use to communicate and organize, become our undoing. All always sleep. Global social dystopia was paul mean you share something. Were both people that are, were deeply changed by 2011, a year of mass uprisings that spread from wisconsin to egypt to new york to greece, to syria. I got my start as a journalist, going down to Zuccotti Park where the occupy wall street protest encampment was and trying to draw the people there. You covered pretty much everything. So what about tell me what 2011 meant, paul . Well, i think it was the rebirth of the anticapitalist imagination and id seen the imagination die. I was born in 1960. So my dads generation coal miners, cotton spinners, very heavily trade union ised. There was much to and for me, the kind of death of imagination was about the soviet union collapsed. The never, i never cared of the soviet union old, most of people i knew who call themselves left wing. We cared about all ability to what socialists call to have agency. We saw the ability of groups of people to change the world and then we saw that smashed. And then im covering the student protests here in london. And suddenly we sort of a new kind of person emerge where you realize youre witnessing a historic rebirth of something of a media its, its the imagination the abilities to say in your mind, this kind of capitalism isnt working. A carbon based economy isnt working dictatorship after dictatorship, suddenly looks illegitimate and weak and stupid and elderly. So we can change things. Thats what i think it was. I mean, we both know because we covered it, you know, and were right in the middle of it. The things went wrong with it, but to me its a bigger moment than a 989 for the berlin wall is a bigger moment than 68. Its the turn of history back towards the possibility that everything you see. Oh, so this window, this financially corrupt hierarchical world could warm day. P. K. Thank you. In a way that favors people beings close, not some try to create a sort of utopia and microcosm yet every single one of those squares, whether it was tough year square in egypt, or whether it was you couldnt park was a place where they were trying out a new society, there was always a free kitchen and most importantly, there was always a library, right . These are places where even in really sexist societies, women, you know, they stood as predators, right. And these places, they didnt just fizzle out. Thats always the narrative. Now they were violently smashed. They were murdered, in some cases or in other cases like in my city, they were just beaten and you know, shoveled away with dump trucks. But the truth is that except in a few places like tunisia, the protests of 2011 that they did fail. And i want to ask why, why did they fail and did they fail . And i wrong maybe challenge, but i dont know. I think its quite hard to succeed when your own armed and there are militarized Police Forces whose job it is to. To smush your head. I think they didnt, they didnt fail in this sense. With what i noticed is that there was the network, the Information Network created a resilience, social psychologists know, taught as if for the 1st time in maternity i. E. , 400 years. Were back to a point where all minds can be hyper social with each other without having to stand in a Public Square and hold a meeting. So i think thats what wasnt defeated. There was a sudden realisation that lost people. My generation thought, you know, these guys wandering around with the ear buds, you know, the why ear buds are individualised, and theyre in a bubble and they dont care about anything else. But what we didnt realise is that that bubble was full of network connections. And thats what i think the most profound impact of it was. I mean, most of our been profound for you because youre rod, it most clearly changed on the impact of having this iconic protest take place almost outside your door. It changed everything for me, occupy wall street felt like love, occupy wall street was the space where i found the political voice, where i realized that i could be smart, where i realized i could speak before occupy. I was an artist, a pretty well known artist in my world, but one who spent all of her time drawing in nightclubs, drawing the sort of rich Hedge Fund People who had destroyed the world and then drawn my glittering friends who danced for them and entertained them and i became a writer because of occupy i was arrested the 1st anniversary of i remember i remember meeting me, you sent me a message of the pictures that you do, people and see that you got your homes, burn your bucket, and youre looking pretty defiant. I was pretty defiant, i had a Police Officer grabbed me by the arm, pull me into the street and arrest me for blocking traffic. And my 1st piece of writing that ever really meant anything was an article about my arrest. And i wasnt angry because i had such a bad arrest. I didnt know what hit me. You know, its certainly was a far easier arrest than you know, black and brown. People in america face every day for doing nothing. But i was just so angry at the lightness with which arrest was taken, such as violence was taken america and i wanted to write about it. And i didnt want to just sort of him to round things the way art can do, right . I wanted to say clearly what was wrong, and so thats, thats how i became a writer. On top of the writing, you worked on a collaborative book about what was going grease, the altars self change, didnt it . But what i remember you did this big iconic series of paintings called shell game, where you basically reminded me of hieronymous bush only with only with under couplets cash. And theres lots and lots of figures in every wall that it all based around a big figure which it symbolizes something. And then a cloud of a crowd of protesters. And suddenly, the crowd is in, is almost like at the center of what youre drawing, an and then, and then the drawings. They pick up the people real people, pick up your drawings and hold them up from demonstration. I mean that this was cooler than any gallery show of ever had. I had artwork that i would be sketching things from occupied during the day. And then a few hours later, theyre be out on the streets being used as protesters. They just, they just printed them in exactly iraq and iran are, you know, on the mouth and were holding them. And you know, theres always this artificial dichotomy right between art, which is supposed to be terribly bad news for paree and, you know, politics, right . But i think both you and me are people that we have joined. There is 2 things. Well, i mean the for me is that as a news journalist at the time, i mean, remember ive been covering economics. I mean, and covering economics and business is, you know, without wanting to criticize anybody who does it is boring. I mean, literally, you know, i mean, the structure of the world, it is, you go to join interrogated, but you know, one Quarterly Results after another. And, and, and then im standing on on 5th avenue in new york, outside Lehman Brothers at 9 am. And there are people carrying their goods in, in a paper box because the banks gone bust and then the state, the american state steps in and saves capitalism. After 20 years. I remember i had to take this stuff, you know, lying down for 20 years. But the state has no role in the system and it was obvious to anyone that this form of capitalism was doing the way it changed. My journalism is on block to me. All my colleagues on newsnight used to say, we should say why we so stilted. Why we saw on free in the way we speak, and we kind of whisper to each other. Its because we said, because every one of those fears that were going to say, bush is a war, criminal, live on air monitoring ourselves. We have more of a monitoring youre so makes you kind of clench in silly syria. And suddenly 2008 made me realize this form of capitalism is doomed. One of the things that strikes me is how much of our present moment comes out of that year. That year of 2011, there is a new series of horizontal network protests, protests led by young people, led by queer people, led by women in puerto rico where my father is from one 3rd of the island, was out in the streets, protesting against the corrupt governor ricky rajjo, and they drove him out of power the 1st time this ever happened and what they can history. One, 3rd of people rights. There are protests in iraq that are being met with extraordinary violence by the state. But still young men and especially young women, are out in squares, you know, asserting their dignity, asserting their right to live in a country that is in the cup. Talk recy, and people impose often assume that what is driving these things are either pure economics or you full rest and theyll get over. It was what it was made, this repetitive pattern over and over again. How princes, 2011, the example of the, of lebanon, or the iraqi protest. It is people who are literally prepared just on the street and be shocked because they cant see a future. But what is it that you think they want . Dignity. I think people want to get a people of course, want decent jobs and they want to be fed. They want to power grid that works right. But above all, theres the sense of humiliation in puerto rico, people carried signs and they chanted about dignity, put that it had a hurricane 2 years ago called maria and 4000 people died in the aftermath and they didnt just die from like, you know, the storm or drowning that is that they died from neglect, from the neglect that was done by the American Government to support the rico as a colony and from a neglected by the corrupt local elite. And the spark that kicked off those protests was that the point that he can center for investigative journalism, published chats where ricky rowe say, oh, the governor, joe and his friends were joking about feeding the bodies of elderly people who died in the hurricane. Vultures. And so you went and drew that normally drew you to pause in the reconstruction because because again, its like flu is like bone, dry fluidity, isnt it . Exactly . Should lead a journalist . Is an artist, surely an artist . Is that trying to really, you know, rewire, the grid was a feeling. I mean, when i went back, i hadnt been back since i was a little kid. Right. And i hadnt been back since my grandparents died and i had not been as connected with that part of myself. And then when i saw not just that the hurricane, it happened. But like my friends, you know, in the mountains that they didnt have any like Running Water or power. They had to wait on line 20 hours for gas. I took the 1st flight i could afford down the plane was entirely filled with other, with the beacons. And we are all carrying duffel bags filled with water filters and batteries and anything you can take us even if youre going to report like what sort of jerk shows have at their friends house for their friend. Doesnt have any fresh food and where they have to get the water out of the side of the mountain and they dont bring anything to help. Right. And for me, the thing that struck me the most was that what save, put the recall in this is what i think will save all of us in times of collapse and Climate Change. It was the solidarity of people. It was not the state, it was not the n. G. O. S, it was not like rich people with a lot of money. It was people went to their elderly neighbors and they checked in on them and they set up mutual aid kitchens. They cleared roads with machetes, if they had to, they set up clinics. People went from, you know, town to town in puerto rico, to bring water. They set up a Massive Network of Solidarity Centers and was from the Solidarity Centers that the protests that overthrew the governor came, that it was from that not just the centers themselves, but also that, that was right. And we can do this. We have been abandoned, but we can do this. We have dignity, we have asserted our dignity by clear in our roads and feeding each other. So this play that i wrote called why its kicking off everywhere, which is based on the book. I tried to do a sort of instant history of the way elites work, what to do about this explosion of hope and freedom. And they tried 1st of all censoring the internet. The next thing they tried was switching off the internet is what they wanted to. The next thing is that they do the kind of propaganda that doesnt work, but in the end, i think they came up with an ingenious solution which should have been what we should have expected because this information theory was a warm watch. Sub is an Information Network most effectively is noise. Exactly. And what they did is they said stop trying to just censor the stove. Just fill the entire inforce fear full of rubbish. And what do we do about that . Mean you, in all of different ways of trying to tell something that some people call truth, what do you do about it . Something very hard. Right . And my last book was about syria that i did with amazing syrian journalist, marwan. He and anyone who has reported on syria knows that there is an intense just information campaign. Were crimes by the assad regime have been proven over and over and over again. And yet on social media, on the internet, theres just this attempt to flood that space with doubt and to smear journalists and 1st responders. Right. And its very dispiriting at 1st right to us, you know, people who are trying to report and i think for people who are trying to learn the truth, a lot of them just, they shrug their shoulders and theyre like, everyone lies. Its all nonsense and they sort of tune out, however ice, think that sometimes one of the functions of art right art is to distill and what we need now is focus as well. And with that, i want to open up to questions. You have been talking about agency and the ro