Other again on james bays rally is that unity among israels opponents and allies. But thats the case regarding opposition to Prime MinisterBenjamin Netanyahu has plans to invite the city of ruffled in casa, often more than 6 months, a brutal 1500000 people are living in dog conditions at the southern end of the strip. Most of being force that by is really a tax which continue on whats meant to be a place of refuge despite world wide opposition from israels allies. Its opponents. Im the united nations. Nothing. Yahoo says the bible times for a major ground defensive and roughly, i have been drawing up with a date to already set. So will he go ahead . What will be the political implications of israel going against the advice of the us . Its main baccha and supplier of weapons and for the palestinians, could this be the worst scenario . Yes. Looming catastrophe. After a catalogue of horror, well discuss all of this with our panel of guests in a moment. But 1st, this report from sent him on the most of causes population is crammed. Is the Southern City over off. They live under constant is really bombardment. The latest ways of attacks of killed dozens of people. But as these really army prepares for a major ground defensive, many fear things are about to get a lot worse. Hold onto the model we are definitely terrified to a for so he isnt afraid is like, so is nowhere for us to go type in the i need since we are scared, if an invasion takes place and dropped off, where can we go . We are more than 20 people. I really dream about going back to my home. I wish i can go back to my apartment even if it is rubble. Now. Hes really Prime MinisterBenjamin Netanyahu says, an attack on or off is essential to achieve his war, aim of destroying, come off. He says nothing will prevent it from going ahead. And we will complete the elimination of the mosque battalions, including in rough up there is no force in the well, that will stop us. But the 1500000 displace palestinians are taking refuge there. They have nowhere else to go and the u. N is warning that a ground is sold would result in major civilian casualties. A grounds the intervention in gaza. The, in the rough uh, with the, the categories sticks as we all know would be a humanitarian catastrophe. And so i believe this is time to make sure thats what we have been saying since the beginning you many thaddeus ceasefire takes place even the us israel storms just ally has urgent not to go ahead with the offensive. In the 1st instance, its imperative that people are able to get out of the way of a very conflict. And doing that, getting people out of harms way, is a Monumental Task for which we get to see a plan and not only getting them out of harms way, making sure that they can be supported with matters transit systems. These really government finalized his plans in march, but still hasnt ordered the attack. In the meantime, the bombing continues and all the people of rasa can do is wait and hope to survive. Defense and bought an owl to 0 for inside story. Well now lets discuss this with, i guess today, clued to a fil, isnt that a ball out in central garza, shes an Economic Justice officer at ox. Families specializes in supporting women that businesses and Youth Entrepreneurship in durham in the u. K. Robot guys to pin fold. Electra and peace and security at durham universities. Research focuses on his riley for an and Security Policy on his should my honda is actually in the city of rafa. Hes the spokesman in gaza for the International Committee of the red cross. Glad to have you all with us. So let me start with you issue. Im you of the in rafa and your organization is the guardians of the rules of all the the, the geneva convention. So tell me, what does International Humanitarian law say about the possibility of a large scale military offensive in a place that so packed with people. Hello, james, and thank you for having me. There was a, for a big, clear civilian lives and infrastructure must be protective. No matter what happens from what we have been witnessing and rough off with the large waves of displacement that have been ongoing for months. And many families have been on the move and been displaced for an average of 5 times for families. Now, they faced the evidence of the reality of im going to have a patient or a rough idea to see or see the dimensions of the medium, the risk process. Once its announced the community and parties of the confidence that any possible scenario of a mess of material ration and blah blah, given the situation of the densely Populated Areas here to be nothing but carnage. And just to be clear as far as what is the noise that were hearing above you, im assuming thats a drone. That is, commission is uh, whats people in the different areas across the accounts to serve here . Most of the day clued. Tell us more about the, the life of ordinary people in rafa and elsewhere in gaza. You represent aux time, but i know you are a mother of a young child yourself. How difficult is things right now uh, thank you for hosting me today. Um for this program, and thank you for all giving attention to go because i should always be on cause of the situation is really easy for us to think. The human story and situation is still very difficult. No, not entered garza despise the international and cold from the organizations and a human trailer getting station. Just kill a detrimental regardless telling the situation is ready to best teaching. Everyone here is a free all of any expected minutes repression and dropbox because this for sure. With the, the, his mentor and situation in a more difficult situation. Dropbox is very crowded up to the dns, real quick is reading, call the to 10. So mix shifts counts where people are trying to find safe, schultz or there. So any military offensive on the part where it really makes things more difficult, we dont expect to to have, and well, uh, actually, but tuition of the video from uh, from blah, blah, blah. We really expect that to the human stories. Situation will get more difficult because we aspect of the cultural border and we only have one line of it, which is because the border and despite this, does intern go as well, is not, you know, its not at all to respond to the needs of those internally displaced people abuse and see what didnt go strip a for sure, as a mom of the, my person that lives in its really hard when youre going to be your default, any aspect of military operations in any area. And thats one of the, the why, but also a mental area or in the area and the gillhouse rep its oh is put us in a situation where we cannot really find any to see anywhere. Roberts, is it a case of if there is a rough uh, offensive or when there is a rough or offensive . Because Prime Minister netanyahu still talking about total victory. He says the date is already been set, although he hasnt told us what it is, of course. Well, this is the question and everyones minds. Netanyahu self has been talking about the ref, referencing for a very, very long time now. And nothing is materialized had you asked me this week and a half or 2 weeks ago. I would have said to you that this is a basically up it off the net and you all he was trying to use as a tool, as leverage and the tools in concepts to try and basically reach an agreement with him. Us that will see the return of hostages and some kind of a temporary or last ip ceasefire now and the exchange between israel and the run and it to play subsequently is a game changer and leaves. The said i question, why . Well, because nothing yahoos, retaliation is rose, retaliation against the radio talk and was relative the light to basically one of the craft and Defense System was destroyed from what we can tell us. Im false. And that was basically and it didnt reach a threshold to isolate is ralph, who is International Partners whod be arguing against the escalation. The problem thats in yahoo, that has is an internal one. Having a piece of his instructional partners, he is annoyed to follow right. Members of his coalition on whom he is relied for his device, you have National Security minister, its them all bank vail tweeting on x very soon after you type one would loosely translates to we called a static and hebrew. So lets and yahoo is now under pressure to demonstrate this whole case credentials and to appease his coalition allies. So i think the danger raska offensive is now more substantial. Then weve had for a very long time in the previous weeks. It showed me your organization, the i, c, r c. We mentioned how it governs the laws of war, but its also a humanitarian organization. What would it mean if an offensive was carried out in rafa given that this is i believe, a normally about 270000. 00 people and now theyre all about one point. 5000000. 00 and the price is completely swelled. Tell us a bit about the humanitarian situation on the grounds. If i can add a 2nd part to my question, rafa is very limited. Aid coming into gaza, but hes one of the entry points faith that makes it even worse. Doesnt that . The yes, absolutely. Now considering that there is approximately 1300000. 00 People Living on 20 percent only of the total spaces, the gaza strip, totally disconnected from the, the basic services. And for example, uh, 900. 00 people have only access to one thats been and an average person has up a has access to only 3 liters of water per day. 2 of them are most suitable for human consumption. This is a basic examples of how people suffer under in human conditions as a result of the ongoing complex. Now, there are several challenges that are facing human italian workers, including the National Committee through its process, which is the lack of our absence of security guarantees that are crucial and necessary for achieving meaningful. Youre going to kind of response from the ground despite old that we are trying to maximize that. Were going to tell you that response. However, this will not change the reality on the ground as long as there are still a t, as in the ground and the and the are not these uh any time soon. The situation worse is by the clock, by the court, by, by, by the hour and uh, there is already unlimited space 40 minute time workers to work. Now, if things escalate for the drop off crossing this space will spring or making any possible human incentive response. Definitely meaningless on the ground. We are trying to as hard as possible, but this is not an environment. A document attorney is kind of word. Keep that up. I. Im going to move on actually and also include a follow up question now. Um, if that was a rough or offensive, where would the people go . Actually nowhere. And the, this is the big, the question that we hear every day from any male living it goes on like of during, is any offensive operations manager, reparation the, any area im together strep, where to go . Im actually people have no place to give each one of those golfing people. Actually its a case has to be displaced for at least one or 2 times and through the sports. And so this moment we dont have like 5th shoulders to host those. I to be in the governance structure. There is a need and expect to defensive mandatory operation involves people will fight nowhere to go. And this is just like hulu to well, is there a possibility . Is there a possibility, collude with childhood . Some say that people might be forced out of the gaza strip is thats a possibility. We have been hearing about this since the beginning of the war, but what i think is the people in guns i will not actually find this solution is really good for them. To leave the people here, how to lift their houses in the gather in garza until this moment. They wait every day in order to listen about any news or to earn about any up to send in a solution that are being done and confident in egypt turned on every word in order to hear about the possibility to return to their houses, leaving gods of course it is not easy for those people actually. And if we talk about being on the edge of the causal strip and this is the southern point of the, the gaza strip. Roberts, its on the edge of egyptian territory. What i know because egypt remains a country with a peace treaty with this route, what do you think egypt is making of the prospect of this offensive . Well, egypt is very much, he gains this offensive taking place. And this is exactly why as a bite and ministration is not accepting so much pressure because they getting pressure from the partners in the world. Countries like egypt and saudi arabia. And those is effect to pressure is route to reach us these by as soon as possible, the egypt, as you say, there is a border, an issue here as well as egypt explicitly has rolled out the reset thing of palestinians. Refugees within the sun, ive been anxious to add. Instead theres been all sorts of talk about israel, for example, trying to reset with them elsewhere. But this is a key point to friction between the buy him is ration these ready to goldman is real maintains, from what weve heard from leaks the recycling or the 1. 5 and give or take siblings within wrap up, well take them around 4 weeks. The us disagrees vehemently and think this will take around 4 months and actually doing Something Like what is real . Proposes this mass, a very rapid receptive and to avoid humanitarian crisis. Were actually only making a few minutes airing process more lightly and significantly worse because we will removing people without infrastructure, without planning, youll be moving them at a very, very, very own planned way. And as some of my colleagues here were mentioned, these to people whove been rooted on multiple occasions. So all of that was race, the fireman and disease would actually be exacerbated by a rock bid on the front of the occupation. So pickup on that point, if you kind of issue, i mean, legally on the International Humanitarian law, is there a way israel could do this or does it amount to force displacement, which is in itself International Illegal on the international. I totally understand stability parts of the account to ensure the protection of the videos and they have absolutely access to everything necessary for survival, including health care in terms of displacement. Beeping must be sure that they can be moved safe people in one area to another that families, one company cannot or does not get separated from their beloved ones. And it has to be time the bound thatd be cannot be displaced, where its no more important than ever that International Community must be the more responsibilities to its. Theres more pressure to put this lots here to an end. And uh, theres no way that people in golf that can continue living like this. It has been almost 200. 00 days now. And they have been through a lot clued. Weve got lots of comments from members of the International Community who are telling israel not to carry out to rafa operation. The un secretary general set an operation in rafa would compound the humanitarian catastrophe. The us secretary state tony blinking said that would be terrible consequences for civilians. How seriously to people that and gaza take these comments from these International Figures when the war now is coming out to a 7th month and yeah, so youve got the us warning of this. But at the same time, the us giving 26000000000. 00 in the last few days to israel. The people peopling does actually. So the listening to the other to, to the ext are the rules declarations say and call my his phone, social media. I dont see any except administrative phrase. It is because well, do the really so far, is that a t v p and that is the best printing human story and situation and for us to talk sure is thomas, how says both things. Its dominant. Are thomas no access to clean war to try know access to the last 4 to be used new access to enough to do the has says to me is relative clause. So people are living in tennis . No, we are in summer. So people are our, our be for the actually, its time those to so people are, it only seem king of how the reality about what they are suffering from detroit to, to hear something used between of times and the other another. But the actual dispute, they actually see, or i mean thats booked administrative gratian because as you have mentioned, they dont have a place to go, they have no work. There is no safe shelters in casa, can you for them, or even any place, no place in casa is said, because people have really experienced this web page displaced from one place to another place. Us robots, we, weve heard tough woods from the bite and administration before towards the ness and yahoo government and nothing. Yahoo really hasnt listened on many occasions, but it is west noting there was another development in the last few hours. It looks like the us that could just state and t blinking is going to sanction under whats known as the lease. He knows one particular unit of the is riley miller tray. Do you think that will get israel is attention is not related to the, to the possibility of offensive and wrap up, but do you think it could become linked and yeah, just to give some context. The view is what were talking about here is the next talking you who to battalion. Now this was a pioneering tale and set so far the idea of leadership because its specifically 6 to integrate and strictly both adults ultra orthodox is released into the army. Many of whom wouldnt normally serve in the military, so its a strictly religious unit. Now the problem here is that this unit has been subject to a significant im building obligations of human rights abuses long before the current military campaign, including the death of a 1778 year old, outstanding american in 2022 who was basically an adult. And by the group im left to die at so these right government will say, look, theres no truth these obligations. But we do know that that battalion was moved out of the west bank. Add on to the quite to get around heights border as whether theres a connection that is very much an open question, but it is now 5 to the in the goals and strengthens pauls, the military operations at the moment. Will this effect as well as military behavior . Its campaign. No, were talking about 1000 people here. This is not a significant assign shift, but israel leaders are indeed incense by this. They all us this been end of a way and who knows what is opens up and it is indeed a new press. And so on the one hand you have the vo