The city is in the grips of an extreme. He wave. The maximum temperature is full cost to stay above 40. 00 degree celsius until thursday. The heat wave in the south asian country is the longest now in 75 years old schools have had to be closed tons of challenges. It brings us more now from doc. Com no light up on the heat wave and there is no sign of months and rain bang or theres suffer. Its long to stretch overhead. Raven 76 years the mad out for say there may be some risk by the 1st week of may when that might be some rain, but the heat wave will continue in may most people in the streets, vendors, those are watching and construction sites and the risk separate lives of suffering the most because of the humidity and the intensity. A recent studies by rock pull up Foundation Say that doc of city, a long lose as around 6000000000. 00 worth of labor productivities annually due to heat stress. Now this country is located in the so far drug free that is prone to natural disasters. And the impact of Climate Change describes that farmer this has been able to cope with it, but not this kind of a draft. Particularly when the monsoons stops in a free lender may still september, the temperature goes down. A country that is known for his favorite culture production now is threatening by the weather. Farmers are worried because the canals and their neighbors are drying up. This is a country thats hardly made that much carbon emissions. Yes, it is suffering already. The heat of the Global Warming and Climate Change sandra to audrey. Ill just say the dock. Uh thats it for myself. Generation change is a program that the what happens in the. 1 it has implications all around the world. Its International Perspective with a human touch zooming way in and then pulling back out again. The virgils look on this and public confrontation, young people across the u. K. Of putting their bodies on the line to force the attention of the issues that might so to them. Meanwhile, t u. K. Government is coming down approaches. It considered as disruptive and anti social with new rules and hostile consequences. Welcome to generation change, a global series attempts to understand and challenge the ideas that might provides you around. Well, today we meet 2 activist. P is different methods to push and nobodys to change. Whether its direct action or engaging with the political system. They come pain or issues ranging from the climb, emergency to migrant light and the play belong straight the so fast to me, you born in canada to somebody parents that you grew up here in london. What prompted to see the doctors and see what plans of the seed for me was growing up in the early 2, thousands and the backdrop of the rock floor everywhere you loved me, was talking about my friends and talking with people that looked like me. And i think that filled me with a lot of anger and kind of confusion and i became quite upset to politics if i didnt engage in that politics is definitely engaging with me in my identity and setting the terms. And i didnt about top of i think people are familiar with the time Climate Crisis to climate. Imagine the its used by some about climate justice. What do you mean when you talk about us for a long time . Weve talked about Climate Change as an environmental issue, right. But Climate Change is a symptom of a system not breaking down and not working and responsible for a lot of other injustices. So whether were talking about racial injustice, whether were talking about the housing crisis, or inequality at the heart of it is an economy that prioritizes profit and profit for the few. And then is pondering people on time. So we have the same companies who are responsible for the vast majority of emissions are also responsible for poor working conditions and low wages. Those are responsible for not paying taxes and who has to pick up the bill people. So when we talk about climate and justice, we talk about building a hopeful vision of the future. That means we can tackle other social injustices and the pursuit of timeframe. How much it will be. We would say that there are many Climate Movements of the name. It was a fight a against the Climate Crisis. Say, where did you see a got a new organization . Green. You do a rising engine, the rising. We havent better than analysis of things that the Climate Movement hasnt necessarily gotten right. One of them is my time limit. For a long time has been white and middle class, and we will know in order to be something as big as Climate Change. We need everyone as a how do we include everyones . What if weve built an economy thats the only priority was to serve people in panic. We would have an economy that invested in communities that built well for communities that lived within planetary boundaries because were investing in renewables and public transport. And thats what were doing. Bring it to a rising as were talking about the green deal, which is an Economic Transformation that allows us to thrive in the future and talk Climate Change. The other thing thats super different about what were doing is for political or main tax. Take us to find them keys and hold them accountable in terms of challenge and film them so that we have them on record. And when we put them on line, you know, its up to the electorate to decide whether these people are for us and against us. Theres not much traces, i like to go much. I appreciate one of our most part popular challenges is when we challenge pretty fatality, the former home secretary whos passing the time to kind of offshore refugees and migrants to lawanda for protesting. And we went to a fundraising dinner. She was hosting an disruptive dot that engaged the and actually it wouldnt buyer or i think a lot of people looked at it and ask themselves last time to this. Talking about migrations, things like that. Rwanda times are just a distraction to get us to be angry at migrants. People who just want better lives in opportunities. Instead of being angry at a Political Class that is just taking more and more from working people and giving us less than return the the it or your dad is probably staying in your mom is a rocky, but you were born and bred in the u. K. How did your family story and background check your, what would be . Well, for my family, we were actually the only ones from both sides of the family to have her come to a western country. So i have most of my dads, how many living in georgia and on and exile and all of my moms family we live in, get it right. So when you go pay with that kind of background, its very difficult to not be political your way as a young person. What was your 1st kind of experience as active as ive been doing the type of work the day . So i was researching into my university and i said of the board quite divestment of sanctions campaign. Got many students and academics on board and then later went on to replicate the other universities. And this really laid the foundations fault for what later was formed as part of sign action. The can you tell me a little bit about palestine action, what and they teach once it starts it. So how about an action . Is there a direct talk soon . That what on our main focus on our main target is out, but systems which is as low as largest dom span specifically, it was thought, i think because all of the ive been used to bring in alms and ball go between bricks and is where ive had fails and clear things through the political process. So late, but specifically which i was involved in. And when every other meet fails, then die with action was to be left open for us. So we started off by initially storming into that headquarters in london. Stay financing across the offices and kept going back again and again. And eventually mom, all people joins our, our network. So one of the mazda of factories and all of them was boss too. So i must have lost and they were forced to abandon that one that has the courses. So for us, we want to continue to grow with this movement. And so all of our big sites, so shut down in this country. Can you explain why is chosen speak . Some elvis systems may produce the vast majority of as well as military drone plates. Weve seen how this is used on the cops of population of gauze uh, routinely. They market them as possible tested or compact prevent and then use that to sell onto or that rate james across the wells. Theyve been used it against the people of customers. For example, iraq, afghanistan, and many other places also against refugees here who were trying to seek safety in this country. And they also build the electronics for the apartheid wall. The same system is being used between us and mexico, so we can see how it starts off in palestine, and it is used against other people across the wells. Can you explain exactly what risks you run yourself in order to carry this out . We were quite heavily targeted, i think at the start of palestine action, we saw that followed up by res. Im on our homes, but the co phones is include thing arresting, richard bonners and of the co found the black come out and it was after that he said that he would go in Hunger Strike if the landlords did not fix out. But they did continue to charge several of us 1st that so were facing the charge, the block now at the cuz thursday to connect from the damage and since thursday to back on the guessing rest, it is kind of hard to the plan that is not the ends of the process, but its, id say in the call process in itself is an extension of the action. And is why we keep try and force his complaints to basically give out information that they would not normally give out. But you are running a real risk to and you know, status games presents. If this continues to operate, you know, more and more lives are going to be taken. And so im more than willing to accept f as in, as a consequence, i will still be a lot better off than most people who have to you at the end of these lessons. To kick things off, i just want to ask in the u. K, weve gone through so many big changes. Do you think that young people, disillusioned, or do you think they all politically engaged . Active, whats your opinion at the moment . I think both i think young people are, does this illusion that im one of them . Im but we are also political. I think were in this period, were actually social activism and social movement. Ive never been more active and imagine its heavy, but its the political elite and you know, look toral politics that i think is whats the solution in young people because we have a electronical system in a voting system, not a is not representative it but also because people are bold action, they want their economy to work for them in their communities. They want action on Climate Change. They want investment in our public services. The only reason we survived the pandemic were pete because of the Front Line Service workers. I thought we all agreed during the pandemic, that those are the people that should be at the heart of our communities. They are the people that we should be investing in. And the only reason that and bold action is because we still have in place political leaders who somehow havent caught up with a consensus. The fact is that many young people are the summation with a political system. But i think a way more political than, than ever before because the political system, i mean like told politics has failed. So many people, and i think a situation of call been and leave as well on a lot of young people into poly politics. And they felt like that was a very cool change. And when that didnt work for myself, at least it opened my ours to realizing that we cannot afford to invest our time into a system that wasnt designed for us. But that doesnt mean that there is a ways that we can be politically active and change our society from the grassroots rather than through, appealing to the powers that be to create those changes for us. I mean, i would say that i dont see social movements being successful unless they have a political weight and so its not about whole. So giving not on like toral, of them or politics. Its about trying to use the power of social movements from the grass roots to kind of course that change and we, we see it happening around the world actually enlighten america. Were seeing the hopes of that sort of political wing of progress, the politics starting to take power. You know, if you look at your life, for example, and while we had that defeat in 2019 with the carbon sleeper, i do see, you know, im pragmatic enough to see that there is another way into power. We just need to build stronger movements, a faithful Climate Change. It may be slightly different and youre right, you do needs a complete overhaul of the system, which will require the state and the government to get behind it. But i think when it comes to imperialism and politics and support of the policy and people, then Jeremy Colburn was an exception. I believe for what weve had for the past 100 years of successive governments, and no politician in this country has ever shut down an alms back today. Whereas people have faith, if youll naples, all quite young and they were funded around 2019, which was just the for the cable pandemic. And then, you know, weve had the warranty crane when you look at one of those issues on the outside. How do you think they impacted your what im, what you were trying to achieve. So we started at an interesting time in 2019. Um, it was a time when it was kind of the kind of activism around Climate Change. I dont think ive ever seen before. You had, you know, Extinction Rebellion we had to climate strikers. You have the u. K. Announcing the 1st sort of net 0 target by 2050 in the world. And then early in 2020, a pandemic came, people are suddenly talking about government intervention. Were talking about investment instead of austerity. Were talking about Building Back a better and not going back to the economy pre pandemic. And coming out of the pandemic, we have the korean war, which put stressors across europe, particularly on energy supply. And what we saw was the u. K announced new north sea oil and gas. And thats put us in a really difficult position because investing a new fossil fuel infrastructure doesnt help us meet or meet our energy needs now. And it doesnt lower energy bills, but also just puts us in perpetual crisis because the Climate Crisis is not going anywhere. Who the id feel about all of the big events that happened recent years and how that directly impacts what youre doing. Yes, sir, for some context we launched at the end of july 2020 and then in may 2021. This has when we saw a due to the solar from the people of gaza, people being forced out the homes and and jerusalem. And we saw a massive increase and people following enjoining public time option and supporting the cause. During that time, there was a factory and full activities has climbed onto the top of the reef. All set fox, 3 in less the and live in a couple of hours. Hundreds from the local Community Came out support. It was like today. And then we saw the fire service pull out and says, and refuse and say to the place that we will not meet these protesters. So for us, it was about going straight to these arms companies, specifically out, but systems and bypass the political process. And that strategy also expose the fact that this company exists here because many alms companies, they kind of hides in plain sight in these factories and industrial towns that you wouldnt know what this is as well as between that one and the one next, all which bills tories for children and we found it to be extremely successful where it was before we had never seen that type of success and forcing the closure of is really on the spot series in this country. 2022. So people across the u. K. Facing flooring place and on a rock with the rising cost of living prices that plus prices and strikes in 1. 00 industry after another proposal and transport work has fidel cuz annoyed so i want to know what break if you think about how far it is that you should be able to go to in terms of guessing your points across, and i think its distance for different movements. So for the train start side is that right . And but so, so in order for them to gain the right to mass salary and the device that they did serve as well, cuz then its necessary for them to disrupt the tray line. I think paula said action is quite different though to was extinction, volumes and tactics. Mainly because expansion volume is more focused on disrupting at the public as a whole, as a way of posting pressure on the government in order to enact that they, they radical change. It needs on the climate, whereas for us we are more focused on directly disrupting the companies we talk with using weapons. So that was less impact on the public. I was, i was just, i just had the are usually about us on action. Goes a step further than extinction. Rebellion smashing up. Yeah. Conference rooms causing damage to the appropriate a. So how do you justify that . Well, what smashing up an Honest Company west, i think that ability to produce weapons and i think many people would agree that you kind of put a price on one human life. You can put a price on a window or a fax or a, a reef, for example. Im not sure never come at the cost of human life if you saw a child with as a human being about to be high and you had to knock down it all in order to help them knock out the door without, without hesitation. And thats exactly the same principle. Do you have anything that you would add . Yeah, absolutely. I am a student of social movements and we often are to a white washed version of whether its Martin Luther king or gandhi, or the womens rights movements. Huge parts of those movements took direct action that really did stop daily life going on for people are politicians. And so were going to need movement set, take a variety of different actions. And the fact that were in a day and age where we think striking workers removing their labor as being extreme. Well, who said we have a right over their labor, right . If were not creating a conditions that are fair for them to work and why should they not down their tools . And so ive been really inspired to see the Union Leaders that had been on our television articulating t