A very welcome to the program and the clock for decades. United states has been israels biggest ally, imagery, pond of successive us, administrations right across the political to divide back to it since it was created in 1948 business is academia. The Public Schools had lost the support of israel. The polls suggest that unequivocal backing. Now appears to be waning, especially among the young appeared Research Study 2 years ago indicated only 41 percent in the age group of 18 to 29 year old. Had a favorable view of israel menu from this generation. Now, protesting and University Campuses against the war on gaza, which is killed nearly 35000. 00 palestinians. So is he anger among Young Americans highlighting a generational divide in washingtons policy towards israel. Almost all the reasons re shaping Public Opinion with explosives and other questions without guests. And just to them the fastest reports from katia lopez audio theres been a generational divide in americas response to the war on goes from College Campuses to politicians in washington. Differences are emerging and white and in the Political Risk amongst voters. So in essence, i think they might, in the ministration, might just be putting their hands up and saying, we are going to have to write off these motors by care deeply about this issue. Because theres no way that we can a piece them. We will continue to have israels back precedent by dentists and criticism for his handling of israels war on cause from both the left and the right. And that could shake the strong support israel has enjoyed in washington for decades. Analysts say its not just about generational differences, but also about changing world views on Foreign Policy and israel even before a 2022 pew survey suggest a bill 70 percent of americans. 65 and older head of favorable view of israel, but support dropped nearly 30 Percentage Points with the younger americans age 18 to 29. When i was growing up, the Democratic Party was the party that supported israel, 7675 percent of the American Jews go to the Democratic Party. That is still the case, although i suspect it may not be in november of this year. My message to the students inside the encampment, go back to class and stop the nonsense. Republicans are denouncing the protesters and bidens policies. But the president is also getting pushed back from his own Democratic Party with 57 members of congress recently asking him to withhold aid to israel. It is a sign that the by this patient is run by a man was 81 years old. Because she is of the old school of the demo product party. Almost nobody who works for him is, does 5 criticism from both parties and young voters biden remains defiant. So for years its been the economy, not Foreign Policy, this way more heavily with american voters. Now some analysts say the war and guns of may not play a defining role in november as president ial election, but it will likely have an impact thats a little bit of a, you know, to 0 for insight store. All right, lets spring. And i guess now in new york we have cleared devon, pulled a student at columbia, john lives in school in london, julie norman, whose Deputy Director at new sales and to on us politics and also. And you can lead says kit mill, but, and whos also have generation left, which is a book which examines generational differences at good to have you with this or will welcome to all of you. Id like to start with you in new york if i may want in your view, do you think is happening here while the generations adults. Ready of israel, do you think i, i mean, i think this is something both new and old. You know, i mean, there was no the protest dot columbia in the sixtys against the word in the, in the eightys against apartheid in south africa. So in some way, as i think its not a surprise, you know, that the word, this generation is something that university students, when i can test on the one i fight back against the, at the same time i think younger people are more looped. And then after before, because of the social media, i think theres also more of a growing awareness, you know, of our global world. And the problem is within it and drawing lines between different issues. I know youve been in my own life, my younger companies, you know, will bring up issues like gentrification and problem and vision that things i certainly was not aware of when i was, you know, in middle school in the early high school. Um. So i do think social media has played a role in that and started greater awareness of different struggles, different history is around the world. But, but after the same time, i do also think, you know, the urge to push back against the floor. And america goes um, you know, americans ties to war, i think are something we see time and time again play out on College Campuses. So. So i think its both um, you know, a new divide and an old divide. Right. And i guess as israels actions and goals have come super charge of differences and, and the us is perceived role in thats a sole tongue cause that class. Yeah, i think theres much greater awareness you know, of the economics of all the best. Um, i think thinking about our tax dollars, you know, going to find is really going to find the square and then thinking about colombia, you know, that have the universities and diamond isnt invested in um, different defense Defense Companies like Lockheed Martin or Companies Like air b and b that operate within the occupied settlements in the west spot. Thats governments to me, i to pride westbank. I think theres just a greater awareness of some money not play here. And i think capitalism and pushing back against capitalism is something younger generations. Um, you know, have been and have been feeling and, and talking about and saying more. And so i think this fits very much within that. Were all the pushing back against interesting is that the university you know, who have ties to these companies and this based on a black rock list and that investment in stock. Okay. We dont have that much of an eye into it. Julie, if we heard from katya, is report just now im just outlined in just how old the president is, the us president isnt. And its not that the the perception, the general perception of israels position is changed in spite. And im his cohort. It grew out, things do look very differently to someone bull in this century day. Absolutely. You know, i think everything that clara said is, is very right. And i think you add to that an issue like israel palestine where the conflict and the issue simply has changed over the decades. And as we heard in the report that started the show, many from fighting generation, the so called boomers grew up seeing israel as the underdog of the country that emerged after the holocaust, the, the country that was needing to defend itself against aggression. I dont think youd be going too far to say was almost the beginning. The way many people see ukraine today is how many and by ins, generation saw israel. Thats obviously changed. You know, why students in university here in london. Obviously students in the us have grown up with an israel thats very different that has a very different political. Im seeing that has a very different position in the region. And theyve seen this concept play out with the 2nd intifada. Im with the wars on guys are proceeding this one and then of course the current conflicts. So its a very different image, i think than say, biding his generation, grew up with, with, with having of his room. Right. Things have moved on that. Can you right, how age increasing the appears to be that one of the key dividing lines in contemporary politics, but it really doesnt think thats always being the case, especially with the student. Activism is always being there as classes outlined that has always been student activism. I think this way, but we can compensate it is something we havent seen on the basis of scale for quite a long time. Probably going back to the 1980s. I mean 5 to id make an odd when say that about that. But the generational political differences a significant generational political differences are not always that you know, they, they come and merge and become significant and only only periodically i think, i mean, you can really, you can tie whats going on at the moment in this generational division on how to choose around, perhaps israel towels as well. Palace stocks you can talk about to a wide to a division in a jet along the lines of age or generation in terms of politics. Im not, and theres a very particular point in history images in a really significant way, really grows massively across several countries. Actually at the same time, in the early to mid to thousands and time. I mean, if something happens on an international scale, very suddenly, you would want to look as sudden International Calls for about that. I would argue that the financial crisis of 2008 is the roots, are based on a be submitted. Sions. And because i think that the, the facts for the price of 2008, its actually very differently if youre old, how assets such as a home, over fuel younger and you rely on income from work or perhaps from, from, from, from, from a state welfare etc, because what happens after 2008 huge amount of Financial Support goes from the states to the Financial Sector by proxy. If youre and i say all that you do while a fast, the same time wages of being catastrophic, the performing since about pointing to u. K. 18 years of no wage growth. Thats actually pretty popular. You havent seen anything alive out since the probably on it was as with the prospect with young people. So a couple of cub diminished on maintaining that the a maintained a very low level since that time. The prospect for young people also costs complicated by Climate Change, which is going to make, make that lives poor. Theres no doubt about, but i think that theyre coming to a less settled state in the world of the exist, opens you up actually to be more critical to optimal critical views about the existing structures of the world. I think thats part of what pushed younger generations to the left to open them up to the, to the, to the left. The tools will structural critiques. And i think thats the thing for a phone. Something like sort of jump. Uh, do you think this is, this is like a, a Tipping Point that were beginning to are on the verge of injury on you there. I mean, it was not just like that at the, the significance of student protests of the past. But something different. Thats going to give them that wish, because the 1st thing you say in the financial crisis and everything that to means that the future is, are a little more bleak then you come day. So what does it mean for the future . I mean, lots of business as usual ladies to something very unpleasant for young people. I think its important about that way and thats what are significant changes and so on. Whether these and come as this wave of protests, a, you know what, but this production would be what we might call a generational forming event. But what, where, whether distrustful generation actually former to heat room opponents, it is too early to tell. But i think thats what happened in the, the wave of protests about revolutions in 2011. You remember the occupied move but not k, but we have inputs us that caused by without this of wave of lecturing. Electro projects. Jeremy colbin into u. K. Bernie sanders in the us, they were both defeated in 2020 and since then thats been a little disarray. I think a but, but you know, it could well be the best salt of it, but could be the sped to add to the next way. You know that this could be the generational foaming event of generations. That if, if, if you like, i mean, all right, significant, thats around Foreign Policy. I think on, on that the role that the us plays in, in international structures. Clay, would you like to come back on that said theres a growing sense of despair among the the young of today is driving this. I mean, i certainly agree about it plays a role. I think, you know, were talking about Climate Change talking about i cannot make issues. Um, Mental Health issues are also very much on the rise. And you know, were still unsure the role social media is playing and not, but i do sense of growing nihilism. You know, among young people, especially the millennial generation and the order, jonesy, i think some of the younger people, younger than not, still come with a bit of hope come with a bit of energy. But i do think that there is the start of streak of despair that is viewing what was this um, at the same time i, i wonder, you know, if that is limited to the younger generation. I, something ive been thinking a lot about is how more generally across age differences were moving to the left into the right. You know, as a society were growing more polarized. And i think, you know, maybe one of the key differences, theres the language and some of the strategies im of protest that are used by talking about israel, for instance. I think to julie as point, you know, i think were looking at a very different israel, um, today then we were, you know, 203040 years ago. And i think i see across generations growing frustration with israel and what theyre doing right now in gaza. I think they are very different expressions around that, you know, i think older generations, for instance, are we less likely to embrace, protest, chance like from the river to the sea. But at the same time, i think, i see, you know, within my own life and family, even different perspectives on israel than people used to have. And i think the protest as well, you know, theres been across the country is huge support from professors and faculty for the students, you know, coming out and forming barriers against the police. So i do think these things extend beyond just to younger people and i think all of these same issues, you know, Climate Change, economic issues, older generations to them as well. And i think are worried for younger people. And i do think that factors and julie, would you like to come back on that and also take it on politically what this means . A j bite and then Upcoming Elections . Sure, yes, again, i just agree with what we are said. You know, here in the u. K, there is some campus activism, of course, but there has been essentially weekly, large demonstrations and protests and in london really since, since october 7th and, and its Clear Limited to those are quite intergenerational. So its an important, obviously to, to see whats happening on the campuses and to look at that, that student movement, but also to see that this is a broader and bigger than not with this issue in conflict and getting back to the us. Absolutely. I mean by that and i think is really struggling with how to navigate this and that has been really from day one uh, you know, from october with i knowing i think that she would not be able to freeze all voters with whatever stance she took. I think she knows now that he will probably lose some voters especially, you know, the more a young progressive voters on this issue. But at the same time, i think there was a sense that uh, you know, going too far the other way. But also, you know, potentially was voters who were more sympathetic to israel. I also would just underscore, i think the policy is a binding has been trying to pursue in the middle east. Are more focused on whats happening there than on the Political Landscape back home that is having an effect. And i were disappointing. I would see that again, the campus, the campus, the politics is, is even some, somehow a bit different than where were seeing priorities among the wider population. Your polls have shown that either among, even among they use them a graphic, israel, palestine is so i think 15 out of 16 issues are in terms of ranking. So i do think its important as, as clear in care of and we would into other issues are at play here also, you know, the economy, domestic issues and all of these are in the mix right now with bite and has to consider for this auctioneer. Right . And care and another issue that is daycare, the democratic, the demographic changes are having an effect, thought they have playing a role in shaping Public Opinion with younger generations, perhaps being made up of larger percentages of racial minorities who are perhaps more historically sympathetic to, to publish the needs, i mean, not certainly triggering to us and is easily playing a significant role in the, in the make up all of the, of the incumbents that the, the campuses. And of course, you know, the different demographic thing is that spam and that, that, that what were saying is that the playing out of the baby boom generation that the baby boom is a call that because theres a lot of time, there was a booming baths up to the 2nd level, which ran up to around might 1965 with with the roll out of the contraceptive. What the phrase, volt volt fell off a bit as what wed be copying, stuck in. Its almost like a geron. Jareds across itself is society. And which is be very happy and get people to a set themselves. And then i say that i say the interest, i think wed, wed put it, put it that way. And of course that is likely to change. I think, i mean, you know, and its like the change over time. Theres that, that really significant problems here. One, the emergency about the horrific emergency. So the status of something such as gaza, for instance, but also the, the, you know, the pressing time scale of Climate Change means that way we might be in a re, factually to vote for younger people to say their interests. Im fine. Political means to do that. And so the incumbents, which only include us very small part of the population of young people across the us. That can be sort of like the trigger triggered moments if you like, better ones, you can forge way. Unfortunately, politics which then disseminate some amongst, amongst the why the population. But if you have an old but of course your material interest to play a